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    Post John Lydon tribute thread

    No he's not dead, I hope not anyway as I consider him to be a national treasure despite never being that keen on his music.

    There are few people I find as watchable or as fascinating, and I've killed a lot of time YouTubing him over the past few days. Very decent bloke deep down, tremendously sharp, brutally honest, witty and opinionated.

    Also known as Johnny Rotten, (for those of you who may not know who I'm talking about) he left the Sex Pistols waving all flags and with all guns blazing and has done what he wants in life and made a living doing a number of things from touring to kids programmes. He also appeared in a movie with Harvey Keitel and despite having an annoying singing voice, he influenced the voice of that silly Liam Gallagher and has been a huge influence on pop music as a whole.

    People liked The Sex Pistols fro the wrong reasons, for trendy reasons - something of which he is fully aware and has no problem pointing out.

    I remember my first impression of him years and years ago was that he was an attention seeking council estate scumbag who got lucky. Probably what my parents would have thought anyway and this knee jerk judgement of character was probably a result of my own social conditioning of which I was not completely immune.

    Anyway, nothing wrong with being an attention seeker if you have something to say. Self promotion is something that is frowned upon, but he is who he is and I'd vote for him any day if he were running for PM - not that he'd strive for that kind of power, though he is interested in politics.

    He's lovably imperfect, and occasionally a hypocrite but so what... I don't agree with everything he says and I have nothing against Queen Elizabeth as she had no choice in her destiny. He has been attacked more than he has attacked, a great example of how anybody who defiantly refuses to conform and who speaks the truth is either mocked or vilified.

    Lydon has lived in Amerka for 25 years because England is too violent for him. Have any of you Merkins heard of him?

    Anyway, I thought i'd share that with you. Here's a couple of recent interviews, one featuring nice John and one featuring nasty-but-funny John and, fuck it, have another. If you've read this far you may as well watch the first clip as it's the shortest and the one in which the audacious foul mouthed clown (I say this with sincere affection not, Robertsonesque scoffiness) made me chuckle the most.






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    Talentless wanker

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    His talent is his words, not his music. His music is pretty awful, I think I only ever liked Rise.

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    I bought This is not a Love Song to piss my mum off, but it was so bad I only played it once.

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    ^ Back when he was a mouthy little twat, he's now a wise and seasoned mouthy little twat - but one who shouldn't be ignored or judged too quickly. People in the public eye who speak their minds are not easy to come by. He's many things but he ain't fake.

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    Just watch the reaction from his peers. About 5:30 in.


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    ^ What about it? He seems to be among good friends, or perhaps lackeys which seem to include Noel Gallagher and some black bloke.

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    I have to say i like him, its his outspoken honesty i guess.

    In 1978 a friend of mine was a promotor, not very sucessful one but it was great fun.
    He approached McClaren and asked about putting the Sex Pistols on at Sussex University, McClaren said sure, the fee is 1.00, confused my mate said why so cheap ?
    Answer, because they will never let the Sex Pistols perform there, the University management will be 'got at'.

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    Love his work P.I.L are my fav band.

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    Never ever understood what punk music was all about nor was a musical fan of it.

    Nevertheless The Sex Pistols hit a nerve which turned into a global phenomenon.

    I suppose Malcolm McLaren's greatest project.

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    When you think of real talent from the punk scene like Joe Strummer, Paul Weller, Ian Dury, Elvis Costello compared to these guys Lyndon was just a charismatic front man and thats it.

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    Never heard of him...

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    John Lydon became the Sex Pistols frontman due to mistaken identity by Malcom McLaren.
    Vivienne Westwood suggested John Ritchie aka Sid Vicious as the frontman, but McLaren thought she meant John Lydon.

    Glen Matlock wrote the music for the Sex Pistols, John Lydon wrote the lyrics.
    Glen and John never got on. Glen felt his music had been hijacked, and his family and friends turned against him as the media became more hostile toward the Sex Pistols and their lyrical content.

    Glen Matlock left the Pistols and Sid Vicious replaced him.

    Funny old world innit.

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    ^ And apparently Sid Vicious could hardly play a bass note and the lead guitarist played bass in the recording studio.

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    Certainly Vicious had the looks for a frontman, but couldn't sing, couldn't play bass, couldn't even be a heroin addict without fluffing it. Certainly Matlock's music composition coupled with Cook and Jones talent was very good, but without the raw vocals and cutting lyrics of Lydon, the Sex Pistols would never have become infamous. Truly a quirk of fate. I like Lydon, and love the Pistols, though I could quite happily christen my Docs on his face for doing those f**king butter adverts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsRobsLife
    though I could quite happily christen my Docs on his face for doing those f**king butter adverts.
    PIL reformed thanks to the money he got from Country life butter, and he's not ashamed of it. The record company didn't give a toss about PIL.

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    He was good in that movie with Gary Oldman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp View Post
    Lydon has lived in Amerka for 25 years because England is too violent for him. Have any of you Merkins heard of him?
    Do you think he lives in the States quietly?

    He's a minor celebrity and occasionally appears on talk shows and radio programs in the US (and he gets infrequent acting bits as well).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp View Post
    His talent is his words, not his music. His music is pretty awful, I think I only ever liked Rise.
    Although Lydon's talent lies in his words, intensity, wit and unfiltered emotions, his bands actually created some excellent music. The Sex Pistols were one of the most important bands of the past 40 years. In the middle 1970's (along with Iggy Pop and Ramones) they rescued rock-and-roll while diso music was polluting the airwaves. Early punk was raw and intense music like nothing before it. In 1996 I was lucky enough to attend a concert given by the original Sex Pistols (including bassist Glen Matlock, who preceded the talentless and now-deceased Sid Vicious). In 2003, Rolling Stone magazine listed Never Mind The Bollocks by the Sex Pistols as one of the top 50 albums of all time.

    A TV performance on David Letterman from the Sex Pistols' 1996 tour:


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    short on talent but long on charisma, hes better talking sense than swearing mindlessly.

    he shows class by liking kate bush.

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    ^ He likes Mozart too. Kate Bush was a sexy thing in her time, i'd love to babooshk her.

    Quote Originally Posted by GooMaiRoo
    In 1996 I was lucky enough to attend a concert given by the original Sex Pistols (including bassist Glen Matlock, who preceded the talentless and now-deceased Sid Vicious).
    Were they really that great or is most of it the fact they are famous for being infamous?

    An anecdote concerning Johnny Rotten's discovery perfectly illustrates the importance placed on fashion. The Sex Pistols were not that good, just in the right place at the right time and they are looked upon as saviours of rock etc... by people who don't know what they're talking about and need a bandwaggon to stand on or a hero to worship. This is why Lydon refuses all these accolades and trophies, because he can see what fucking clueless sheep people are. They are mostly liked/admired/remembered for the wrong reasons. Trendy reasons.

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    The original Pistols were a great band, despite what people might say. 4 great singles and a legendary album and then had the good sense to implode on a tour of the US. I still listen to the "Bollocks" elpee even now. No one has managed to come close the utter rage on that record.

    Despite their horrible image the band played a concert in my hometown, for kids of striking firemen at the time. It was their last UK gig. They were fucking great.

    Lydon was very courageous for really speaking his mind during the punk years. He was virtually hounded out of the country after "God Save The Queen" by physical attacks (he was stabbed a few times), and police harrassment.

    The re-forming Pistols tour and subsequent butter adverts are fine with me. I'm glad Johnny is finally getting paid for a change, after McClaren stole his money.

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    You had to be around at the time to understand the effect the Pistols had.

    I still have every newspaper cutting from Sounds and NME of that period, make great reading. I sadly missed the Pistols when they played in Caerphilly, the gig make famous in the Swindle by the carol singers outside. Cars couldn't get across Caerphilly mountain from where I lived due to snow. My Mum wasn't keen on my brother taking me either so it was all the excuse needed to ground us.

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