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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    I don't think you would understand the content of those links even if they existed.
    You have no idea what I would, or would not understand, just as I have no idea what you would, or would not understand. Thanks for admitting that you have no credible publications to back up your fabricated statistics.
    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    There hasn't been any serious survey of the Thaksin micro-loans done here, for obvious political reasons.
    Hence, you have no idea what the results have been, though you still felt that by fabricating some imaginary knowledge of them and then posting here, that it in some way gives your claim credibility. Sorry, it just doesn't work like that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    But anyone with a basic understanding of accounting and business, could understand how such a practice couldn't increase the quantity of profitable "business". Everyone can open a business, it's something else to make it profitable though. Loans were just increasing the number of businesses, not how they were profitable, and most weren't.
    Then show some figures to prove this huge failure.
    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    At the end, it was simply a political tool
    I don't think you see anyone here claiming otherwise. Was it a political tool that helped people though? You say, no. I disagree.

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    Have no idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    is that value based or frequency based ?
    The limit was 20,000 baht per person but according to Istvan Rado from Thammasat the maximum in practice was 10,000.

    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    Quote: Originally Posted by sabang It is just ridiculous to say that these low interest rate loans were refinanced with moneylenders usurious loans- why would you refinance at 15-20% or more, when you can extend your government loan at 3.5 - 4% if you require?


    I don't think you could rollover the loans indefinitely, or when the approval process wasn't fast enough they would bridge the loans with loan sharks. There is so much money you can give out to everybody, but eventually there was a limit on how many loans you could take for one individual. It doesn't solve the problem, regardless. Extending the loans when the businesses weren't profitable were just "extending" the problem, buying time. That was a given.
    I've buggered up the quote thingy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles
    by fabricating some imaginary knowledge of them
    it's hardly imaginary, these are common sense business and accounting principles. Not surprised they would be lost on you

    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles
    Sorry, it just doesn't work like that.
    oh yes tell us how it works then, Mr unfounded rumors

    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles
    You have no idea what I would, or would not understand
    I can tell from your line of thinking and your reaction that you haven't much a clue beyond teaching English

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Noodles
    I don't think you see anyone here claiming otherwise. Was it a political tool that helped people though? You say, no
    does it help the poor to have negative income ?

    again, why not put social programs in place instead ? that would have been more effective. Social programs like a minimum monthly allowance for the elderly and the kids going to school. Free school until 15, free healthcare for children until 18, free healthcare for the elderly after 55 etc...

    why hasn't it been done ? those would have been simple and easy to implement, yet expensive, but not that expensive. Much better value than the loan scams in the long run. The 30THB scam was another political tool. Why not make it free ? oh yeah, because "adding some value" is better than "free" as it would have become a commoditized political product if free.

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    No bkkrunner - on this one point Highlander has the highground.. the answer is near to none as far as I know. So Abby can hold all the "investigations" he likes as he has informed Ambassadors that he plans to do.. The investigating chiefs of course will invent lots of nonesense (flak as we know it) to obfuscate the fact that Highlander raises.. the dead were unarmed demonstrators and those cowering in a temple - and the only possible people shooting at that late stage of the operation were the Army and their appointees (militias).

    It was a Turkey Shoot me boy.. Plain and simple. You can't change that - no matter how hard you want to..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    I wonder what the percentages would look like if Dusit asked the following:

    Should the government have negotiated further to meet UDD demands before breaking off negotiations and cracking down?

    Should the UDD have accepted the government promise to hold elections in November and gone home?

    I think after what has transpired since there would have been strong consensus on both questions.
    Possibly Norton, but how often have you shaken your head at the Dusit and ABAC polls in the last couple of year?

    They are so clearly biased in the questions they ask that they have completely lost all credibility or meaning - if they ever had any. It's a pointless question really. You need to have unbaised professionals trying to eliminate bias from the survey - given that doesn't happen - indeed the opposite occurs, the result is utter nonesense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKKBoet View Post

    .. the PPP while winning the most number of votes were still short of a majority, consequently they were forced to go into coalition with a number of smaller parties - some of which had campaigned that they would not do so if they were voted in. Some would call it a 'money coup'
    Oh, ho.!!..let's back track a bit more BKKBoet since you want to do that, shall we?

    PPP won a large plurality, they did a deal with others to Govern as a Minority Government - or OK a "coalition" as it really isn't that clear here in Thailand compared with other countries. PPP were like the Tories in the UK - far and away a bigger chunk of seats than the Dems have here (like Labour really).

    What happened next? The courts went on the offensive (why would they do that?) - first getting rid of Samak because he had a cooking show on TV on the weekend, then allowing the PAD free reign to run amok, seize Government House - the army refused to back the Government to stop the chaos - tha police were set up with phoney charges of injuring protestoers with "exploding" tear gas cannisters near Parliament - allegedly blowing of limbs (does it get any more ridiculous - yes apparently - stick around) and when that didn't work, all the military chiefs went on TV to tell Samak's replacement that their old boss wanted him to go - or else. Airport is seized by the elite-backed PAD. Abhisit and Dems stay silent as not to anger some old people. Still no movement and the courts were given their final orders - disband the governing party.

    The army steps in again and does a secret deal with MP's held hostage at the Pullman Hotel on Soi Rang Nam til the deal is in the bag - Abhisit emerges as "Mr Victory Monument" with Newin.. and says to the foreign media about the aiport seizure "I'm sorry that HAD to happen"

    Let's not forget the important bits okay BKKBoet? There are at least three "coups" in there already pal..and all involve money - not on the side you want to pretend of course.

    Don't disappoint me as you can make some good points at times..(I'm sure you'll feel crushed )
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    Reds and thier crazy leaders have been totally discredited by thier foul words and deeds - clearly exposed as disloyal, selfish and low class. The world was watching and they showed thier dirty butts real good. Most people look on them with sad disgust, thinking they are losers in every sense of the word.

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    I agree the world was watching, I was one of them, and watched the whole sorry sage evolve.
    No doubt about it, abisit and his motley crew are now known internationally for what they are, unelected military dictatorship stooping to blood on the capitals's streets to cling to power.

    I asked several people at work who had followed the story if they considered thailand a democracy, they responded it was not, it was a military junta or a military dictatorship.

    Out there in the big wide democratic world opinions that were formed have been changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    By "winning" they are the ones who will have the oportunity to form a coalition.
    Well, since the democrats have managed to form a coalition with a parliamentary majority, doesn't that make them the winner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteshiva
    Well, since the democrats have managed to form a coalition with a parliamentary majority, doesn't that make them the winner?
    in the real world it does - but the fantasists declare they are appointed by the evil "amart"

    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    Should the UDD have accepted the government promise to hold elections in November and gone home?
    the majority of the red UDD leadership wanted to accept , and it was only when nutter deang told them that takky said no and if they did not agree then he was going to "appoint" himself leader - so many UDD leaders resigned and left.

    this was the straw that broke the camels back and rightfully earned nutter deang a bullet in the head.

    nutter deang and his band of retard rambo's were under the direct pay and control of takky as he attempted to force some sort of civil war upon thailand thinkinng it would enable him to return and claim his ill gained profits still tied up in thailand ?
    If you torture data for enough time , you can get it to say what you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer View Post
    the dead were unarmed demonstrators and those cowering in a temple - and the only possible people shooting at that late stage of the operation were the Army and their appointees (militias).
    Wow, so the soldiers that were killed were also unarmed civilians? Really? How's that work?

    Absolutely no possibility of anyone but the Army doing any of the shooting - despite all the weaponry found in the Reds' camp? I bet that was just for 'display purposes', and (in your world) absolutely no Red Short, or their appointees (black shirts) had any weapons at all. They were all sitting in a circle, singing the Thai equivalent of Kumbaya, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gingsa
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    Quote Originally Posted by gingsa View Post
    Reds and thier crazy leaders have been totally discredited by thier foul words and deeds - clearly exposed as disloyal, selfish and low class. The world was watching and they showed thier dirty butts real good. Most people look on them with sad disgust, thinking they are losers in every sense of the word.
    Pretty much - you nailed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    By "winning" they are the ones who will have the oportunity to form a coalition.
    Well, since the democrats have managed to form a coalition with a parliamentary majority, doesn't that make them the winner?
    Last I checked that was democratically permitted under the constitution of the country, under the circumstances.


    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteshiva
    Well, since the democrats have managed to form a coalition with a parliamentary majority, doesn't that make them the winner?
    in the real world it does - but the fantasists declare they are appointed by the evil "amart"

    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    Should the UDD have accepted the government promise to hold elections in November and gone home?
    the majority of the red UDD leadership wanted to accept , and it was only when nutter deang told them that takky said no and if they did not agree then he was going to "appoint" himself leader - so many UDD leaders resigned and left.

    this was the straw that broke the camels back and rightfully earned nutter deang a bullet in the head.

    nutter deang and his band of retard rambo's were under the direct pay and control of takky as he attempted to force some sort of civil war upon thailand thinkinng it would enable him to return and claim his ill gained profits still tied up in thailand ?
    Green for that - right on, as that's exactly what happened, on both count.

    It sounds more and more to me that someone on the Red side had 'Nutter Daeng' taken out, because, if you look at it, he and Thaksin really screwed the whole plan to hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
    that someone on the Red side had 'Nutter Daeng' taken out
    I think it was the military - many people would have been quite upset with his grenade attacks which killed Colonel Romklao , and then the direct intervention on behalf of takky would have made him a high priority target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick
    in the real world it does - but the fantasists declare they are appointed by the evil "amart"
    you are dealing with peasant who believe in ghosts, and farangs who can't tie their shoes without asking their wife,

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    Quote Originally Posted by gingsa View Post
    Reds and thier crazy leaders have been totally discredited by thier foul words and deeds - clearly exposed as disloyal, selfish and low class. The world was watching and they showed thier dirty butts real good. Most people look on them with sad disgust, thinking they are losers in every sense of the word.
    Hmmm. Not so sure, its a bit like Rorshach tests or watching for patterns in the clouds - everyone sees something a little bit different.


    For me, I saw the ugly side of the Thai pooyay. Bullying, arrogant, self-absorbed and completely unable to handle dissent because they have been reared to expect and demand deference where they righteously deserve nothing but scorn and ridicule.


    Ultimately, this series of characteristics (traits if you like) will be their undoing, they are just dinosaurs, bewildered that people don't love them any more. Unable to evolve, they will die out and the only choice they have is how quickly it will happen.


    The propaganda has stopped working and people see the emperor is naked.


    See? Everyone sees something different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteshiva View Post
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    By "winning" they are the ones who will have the oportunity to form a coalition.
    Well, since the democrats have managed to form a coalition with a parliamentary majority, doesn't that make them the winner?
    The coalition was formed because the quisling and ultimate piece of shit Newin and his merry men succumbed to threats and bribery. Both of which are illegal and immoral. That's why this coalition has no legitimacy, not because of any imagined compliance or otherwise with parliamentary rules.


    Said it before but its worth repeating. If I vote for a Labour MP and Labour wins, then a group pof Labour MP's including mine, decide to accept bribes and shiny new Mercedes cars so they quit labour, join the Conservatives and the Conservatives are now in power, I would be pretty pissed off with my MP. That is precisely what happened and there will be a come-uppance, nothing is cost-free and everything has consequences.


    And for all the apologists and royalists out there, the process may have been legal but it lacked any kind of ethics, and above all, ethics are what we should demand from our elected representatives no matter which country we live in.


    Thais are not at all well served by the robber barons and mafia godfathers they have been represented by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myofb
    The coalition was formed because the quisling and ultimate piece of shit Newin and his merry men succumbed to threats and bribery. Both of which are illegal and immoral. That's why this coalition has no legitimacy, not because of any imagined compliance or otherwise with parliamentary rules.
    but it was all ok when the TRT did it ?

    this govt has as much legitimacy as the TRT ever had.

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    that someone on the Red side had 'Nutter Daeng' taken out
    I think it was the military - many people would have been quite upset with his grenade attacks which killed Colonel Romklao , and then the direct intervention on behalf of takky would have made him a high priority target.
    Honestly, could be either way - and if it was the military, for the reason you outlined, it was most likely done without the blessing or knowledge of the government. One of those "if you get a clean at that jerk, take it, and we'll deny everything". Well done, and good riddance, honestly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Myofb
    The coalition was formed because the quisling and ultimate piece of shit Newin and his merry men succumbed to threats and bribery. Both of which are illegal and immoral. That's why this coalition has no legitimacy, not because of any imagined compliance or otherwise with parliamentary rules.
    but it was all ok when the TRT did it ?

    this govt has as much legitimacy as the TRT ever had.
    Don't remember Thaksin bribing 70-odd sitting democrat MPs to switch sides and rolling a democrat government as a result.


    Might have happened but I don't remember it happening. Apples and oranges I think…




    As for the Democrats being as legitimate a government as TRT - only in one of Abhisit's half-remembered wet dreams.

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    ^LOL

    You've very little awareness of this country it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myofb
    Don't remember Thaksin bribing
    maybe you should renew your knowledge of what the TRT actually was

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Myofb
    Don't remember Thaksin bribing
    maybe you should renew your knowledge of what the TRT actually was


    erm… evidence?


    Oh, and if you are going to quote, quote the whole relevant passage rather than a clipped version which removes the vital context. Otherwise you look like Butterfly and Daffy. And you wouldn't want that surely?

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