Thread: The Universe. Whats out there?

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How can something that doesn't exist move?

Now you're getting the gist of it.

I hated Quantum Physics

A lot of nothing... and a lot of matter.

Imagine rewinding the expansion of the universe so it's collapsing in on itself... when it goes back beyond the physical space that's around you right now, what is there?

Originally Posted by Chairman Mao

Of course there may well be billions of universes, billions of big bangs... Our universe just one of a billion. Each with different laws of physics and number of dimensions.

Also being generally accepted that our universe will one day collapse in on itself, and be left as nothing as it was before it created itself... waiting to create itself again via its next big bang. How many times has this happened before? Zero, ten, a million?

Why does it have to be "billions of universes" out there? Couldn't it just as well be an infinite number that makes a billion look like zero? Or perhaps, just as likely only one. Lots of theories around, but none that can be accepted as proved except for the one and only big bang we know of. That doesn't mean there couldn't be more to it than we currently know, just that theories like string theory and parallel universes are baseless concepts at this point in time.

I've been told we can't grasp it because we think in linear time, but again, don't really understand it. No religion getting round the last few thousand years has been too convincing, so take the stance that we don't know shit. Religious people understand the least.

Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

This stuff is far too big for most people to even entertain, which is why they make up gods and heaven etc.. which is within imagination thus within comprehension.

All people.

Agreed. Humans are frail scared creatures of temporary duration. Our ego demands that we seek some kind of connection with a supreme being so as to justify our existence and validity.

Originally Posted by sabang

The Universe is pretty big, and most of the stars you can see out your window now is a bit historical really, because the light left that star before you wuz born.

So at 186,000 miles per second, thats a fair way.

The thing is that most of those "stars" that you see out there are not actually solitary stars, but actual galaxies of stars comprising gazillions of individual stars. They are so far away that their collective light looks like one single dot in the night sky to our naked eyes. Makes you feel kind of small sometimes, looking up at the night sky.

those stars out there are all seperate homes for the gods

don't listen to all those naysayers, it's true

Originally Posted by 9999

I've been told we can't grasp it because we think in linear time, but again, don't really understand it. No religion getting round the last few thousand years has been too convincing, so take the stance that we don't know shit. Religious people understand the least.

I dunno. If you think on another plane you can imagine lots of things might be true. I could make up a concept called the "bubble theory" that no one else could understand unless they came into my way of thinking and abandoned their old scientific concepts.

Real science relies on proof before something becomes accepted as fact. Theories are two bob a dozen and some of them interesting too. Some of them maybe leading to further discoveries even.

The universe being infinite means time is simply a human invention.

We compartmentalize our existence in an a vague attempt to bring order.

We struggle to achieve sense in an infinite senseless universe.

Communication is the only ability we have that actually qualifies our existence.

If we did not communicate we'd cease to exist.

Originally Posted by jandajoy

If we did not communicate we'd cease to exist.

Well, kingwilly would, anyway.

Originally Posted by jandajoy

If we did not communicate we'd cease to exist.

Communication = existence.

My wish would be able to live for another 1000 years in order to see what is out there. A fantastic journey.

When do the TD scientists think we will have a person land on Mars?

Albert Einstein
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.

Very good.

Originally Posted by jandajoy

If we did not communicate we'd cease to exist.

Ahh, but do rocks not exist because they don't communicate, or there existence is only due to our perc eption of it.

It's like that stupid riddle I hat, "if a tree falls in the forest....."

Yes, it would make a sound. Sound travels in waves, regardless of whether or not humans are there to hear it. I think we know at least that much.

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

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How can something that doesn't exist move?

Consider that light and other forms of electromagnetic energy dont actually exist unless they are expanding at the speed of light through space. They only actually exist in our world when they interact with matter and are converted to other forms of energy that we can detect. And consider that matter can be destroyed and converted into electromagnetic energy radiated out into the nothingness of space also.

My own theory (totally unproven and just a concept) is that matter as we know it is just little balls of EM energy turned inwards on itself yet still travelling at light speed and unable to break out and expand in all directions. Such would be the reason for the spin in sub atomic particles. Sort of like a speeding bullet entering a metal sphere and spinning around inside it except that no energy is absorbed through friction. That expansive force that formerly drove the EM energy to expand outwardly in all directions is now trapped in an infinite inward spiral driving sub atomic particle spin and that the infinite expansion force has been reversed to be contained in one place acting inwardly, instead of outwardly, it acts on other little bundles of energy and EM energy in the form of gravity with an attractive force rather than a repulsive force. Gravity has been measured and defined as a force of 32 feet per second acceleration for each second of attraction at sea level on the face of the earth. 32 ft/sec sq. Not too bad from a standing start, but what is its terminal velocity? Speed of light no doubt. Gravity has been described as a relatively shot range force since its force decreases inversely to the square of its distance. The same inverse square law (in reverse) that keeps EM energy expanding in all directions away from itself throughout the universe until it reaches light speed. Gravity just doesn't act on matter, it bends light and other EM radiation as it travels through space, but why wouldn't it if light and matter are just the same things in different forms? Light from stars pushing out into the nothingness being sucked and bent on their path by their brothers trapped in mass. Thats exactly what we see. Gravity can bend passing light. The basis of many astronomical observations including the discovery of new planets around distant stars. We know of black holes only because their massive mass and gravity sucks passing light and other EM radiation in and thus they appear as a "black holes" in the sky.

Einstein said gravity bends space and thats why light curves around objects of mass. I dont reckon you can bend something that doesn't exist. I reckon gravity bends light rather than gravity bends space and distorts light travelling in a straight line. But its all up to how you perceive it as space is the big nothingness and does not really exist until something we can identify goes into it.

As said its all just my own take on things. I didnt do physics after high school, so I dont know if this idea has been tossed around at a higher level. Though I do find it strange that I haven't read or heard about a similar theory in the decades since I left school. Thats my story and I am sticking to it until proven otherwise.

Originally Posted by 9999

Ahh, but do rocks not exist because they don't communicate, or there existence is only due to our perc eption of it.

Yes.

Language dictates existence, maybe.

As in, if you can't describe it, label it, does it exist?

The Crab Nebula
The Crab Nebula, the result of a supernova noted by Earth-bound chroniclers in 1054 A.D., is filled with mysterious filaments that are are not only tremendously complex, but appear to have less mass than expelled in the original supernova and a higher speed than expected from a free explosion. The Crab Nebula spans about 10 light-years. In the nebula's very center lies a pulsar: a neutron star as massive as the Sun but with only the size of a small town. The Crab Pulsar rotates about 30 times each second.

I couldnt describe it any simpler than this so I lifted it from their site.

Amazing.

I defy you or any one else to describe it.

True beauty, which foks my proposition completely.

Originally Posted by hillbilly

My wish would be able to live for another 1000 years in order to see what is out there. A fantastic journey.

When do the TD scientists think we will have a person land on Mars?

It's looking increasingly likely that it wont happen for decades, so I hope you are not old...

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

I've always tried to imagine a brand new primary colour in another universe

Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

but it's impossible as it is beyond comprehension.

how do you know?

Because everybody knows it is beyond comprehension - what a daft thing to say.

Water is wet, I suppose that makes me a smart arse know it all too does it?