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    The UE-Fur Cup & Some Animal Liberation

    This brought a smile to my face & I thought some of you might like to share.



    This cat wandered on to the pitch during the UEFA Cup Final.



    Thousands of football fans watched in amusement as the attention-seeking cat made its way on to the pitch.



    The animal sashayed over to photographers on the touchline at the Sukru Saracoglu Stadium in Istanbul.



    Having checked out the lensmen, the cat hopped back on to the pitch before heading into the stands - doubtlless to get a better view of proceedings.



    Like tens of thousands of British fans who didn't bother tuning in for the game, the pussy decided enough was enough and it headed for an early bath.



    Some of you might like this, too.



    A dark night in April saw several people descend onto an animal breeding farm. At the back of this farm, piles of dead lambs bodies were rotting & mothers lay in narrow pens, raped and impregnated. One female sheep was tied around her face onto the bars in front of her, forcing her to stand and not being able to move more than a few inches.



    Several lambs had been taken from their mothers & kept in a metal pen ready for the fate man decided for them. We decided to change their fate that night. Instead of feeling the cold hands of the farmer, they felt us lift them to liberation. After taking these beautiful lambs to safety, we disappeared back into the night.

    We also released a wild bird from the farm that had been caught in a trap.



    Some of the lambs were playing and cuddling with us on our journey, sitting in our laps while we stroked & held them. For the first time since their mothers were taken away, they could feel love & compassion. We had given back to them what greedy humans had so desperately tried to take - their lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nietzsche
    mothers lay in narrow pens, raped

    You sound like one of my overemotional colleagues when a bitch is in heat. Unless a human forced himself on them (no Welsh jokes!) they weren't raped.

    10/10 for first article
    0/10 for second. Whether ALF (assuming it was them) did a good thing or not (debatable, seeing as violence is a more of a strong point than research or knowledge), the overemotional language only appeals to students and simpletons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by November Rain View Post
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    You got me

    Regardless - animals alive are better than animals dead.

    There is no debate on the matter.

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    Nietzsche was a very intelligent man so why do you have his Avatar?

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    What's that got to do with this thread?

    As I have said before, great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss avatars & such.

    Which category do you fall into?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nietzsche
    So kindly fuckoff my thread.

    Well you kinda answered my question did you not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nietzsche
    Regardless - animals alive are better than animals dead.
    And where did they go?

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    Don't know.

    Well you kinda answered my question did you not
    If you're so great & I'm so stupid, why waste your time debating with me?

    I'd wipe the floor with you anyway, so carry on if you must.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nietzsche
    I'd wipe the floor with you anyway, so carry on if you must.

    Ah excuse me how would you wipe the floor with me, intellectual arrogance ? absolutely

    Any other way you might want to do that?

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    You're not worth it.

    In a bit.

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    I love the kitty show, thanks. The lamb story is a valiant one, but wonder along with NR, where did they go once liberated?

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    Not to the abattoir, which is where they would be now.

    ALF always make provisions for any animals they liberate.

    There's the odd gangbanger who fucks it all up, obviously, but generally these animals are looked after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nietzsche
    ALF always make provisions for any animals they liberate. There's the odd gangbanger who fucks it all up, obviously, but generally these animals are looked after.
    How? Not being funny but every charity, esp shelters (human or animal) have finite resources. There are only so many you can take in before conditions become overcrowded, and possibly unsanitary or dangerous. If you are taking them in for the natural period of their life, that is a big commitment, financially and physically, and for every one you take in, that's another that can't be saved because there's no room for it.

    Since you & I last had this discussion, the world has taken a financial beating. People simply aren't donating. I know we're getting no donations and I've heard it's across the board for every type of org in many countries. I've read that horses and dogs are being dumped in parks in UK, because owners can't afford to look after them, but that the RSPCA and the like don't have the facilities or the money to take them in and care for them.

    So, how does the ALF, not a mainstream charity, I'm sure you'll agree, which spends much of its funding on care packages for jailed members, manage to house these animals?

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    The lamb story is a crock of shit and the ALF should be hung, drawn and quartered for their crimes against the Animal Kingdom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by November Rain View Post
    So, how does the ALF, not a mainstream charity, I'm sure you'll agree, which spends much of its funding on care packages for jailed members, manage to house these animals?
    They tend to keep them as pets, they don't need facilities as such, but seeing as you ask, I'll find out what happened to them. I suppose they are a bit big for the house. Though if they'd simply let them go in a field in the middle of nowhere they are better off than in one of Mtd's (who ate all the) pies.

    Prisoners are funded by a support group - ALFSG - which is completely seperate.

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    Fek, NR, the guy and the group are trying to help. What is your problem knocking these people lately?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nietzsche
    Some of the lambs were playing and cuddling with us on our journey, sitting in our laps while we stroked & held them. For the first time since their mothers were taken away, they could feel love & compassion. We had given back to them what greedy humans had so desperately tried to take - their lives.
    Was this right before you got out the mint sauce and rosemary??????? I love lamb as well, could you nick me one next time.....feckin miss lamb like mad here...my Thai wife loves it as well...



    In Pak Chong you can by them for about 2-3k but I only found this when the 'cowboy' festival was on...When I mentioned that they taste great...the Thai woman refused to sell me one...spoil sport...they were all gathering round to give these poor animals milk....I wanted to take it home and cook it...I too used to love feeding them in the UK when I was a wee fella' but also loved to eat them on sundays with my family...

    Sorry but I eat meat...Don't believe in torturing animals..totally against that...if ya gonna kill it do it very quickly is my moto...and there's no need for appaling conditions for any animal...livestock or pets....Thailand is truely shocking for that.


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    I enjoy a lamb chop as much as the next man.

    hung, drawn and quartered for their crimes
    They are.

    Sarah Whitehead



    Two years for rescuing a single dog from a cruel owner.

    Sean Kirtly



    Four & half years for building a website!

    ALFSG

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    Originally Posted by Nietzsche
    Regardless - animals alive are better than animals dead.
    I don't mind a bit of dead cow now and them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
    Fek, NR, the guy and the group are trying to help. What is your problem knocking these people lately?
    Do you know anything about the ALF? Bunch of nutters who use violence to get over their message (letter bombs, car-bombs etc). They have been known to release animals from fur factories and labs straight into the wild - when the animals were born & raised in captivity. Any guesses as to their fate?
    When you talk of anti-vivisection in the UK, most people think of these idiots, rather than those legitimate charities like BUAV, who campaign peacefully to change laws and have been very successful. ALF give other British animal rights groups a bad name, purely by association.

    Surprised you approve of an organisation that intimidates companies through terror campaigns or steals their 'stock', Jet. With your capitalist views, I should have thought you would have been more behind working to change the laws, which would also save millions of animals in the long run, rather than fly-by-night high profile terrorist actions that 'save' a few, but put the animal rights world back a few steps in public opinion each time they are perpetrated.

    And, it's not 'lately', I've always disliked the ALF. There's a thread in Issues from ages ago where an aka of Nietzsche & I have this very same argument.

    https://teakdoor.com/issues/22991-ter...-fighters.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nietzsche
    Regardless - animals alive are better than animals dead. There is no debate on the matter.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nietzsche
    Not to the abattoir, which is where they would be now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nietzsche
    I enjoy a lamb chop as much as the next man.
    Then, I'm afraid, you're a hypocrite. The lambs you eat were likely kept in as bad conditions as the ones you rescued. If you campaign to change laws & farming practices, though, then you would do more good for more animals and still be able to eat your chops, knowing that you had helped change the conditions in which it lived its short life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSR2 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Nietzsche
    So kindly fuckoff my thread.

    Well you kinda answered my question did you not

    luckily you quoted the fool before he went back and edited that out

    never mind

    oh yes, and stop stalking him, he gets nervous

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    can i order a lamb too? i promise not to be cruel, i mean it is winter here and i need a new pair of ug boots

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    luckily you quoted the fool
    Lucky? Get a grip, pal. To be frank, DrA, I've got better things to do than talk to you & I'd appreciate it if you'd go away.

    Do you know anything about the ALF? Bunch of nutters who use violence to get over their message (letter bombs, car-bombs etc)
    NR, you're heading for RJ's infamous Here We Go Looby Loo award with that statement.

    There's a big difference between the ALF & the likes of the ALB or the Militia.

    You're smart enough to Google it, so I won't bang on.

    For anyone else, this is their credo

    The Animal Liberation Front (ALF) carries out direct action against animal abuse in the form of rescuing animals and causing financial loss to animal exploiters, usually through the damage and destruction of property.

    The ALF's short-term aim is to save as many animals as possible and directly disrupt the practice of animal abuse. Their long term aim is to end all animal suffering by forcing animal abuse companies out of business.

    It is a nonviolent campaign, activists taking all precautions not to harm any animal (human or otherwise).

    Because ALF actions may be against the law, activists work anonymously, either in small groups or individually, and do not have any centralized organization or coordination.

    The Animal Liberation Front consists of small autonomous groups of people all over the world who carry out direct action according to the ALF guidelines
    Simple.

    I've highlighted the main points.

    If I were to rescue an animal, I would be doing it for that animal alone & not for some feminist, sentimental mush about changing the world!

    you're a hypocrite
    I'm more than that

    can i order a lamb too? i promise not to be cruel, i mean it is winter here and i need a new pair of ug boots
    That so funny.

    555

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nietzsche
    Because ALF actions may be against the law, activists work anonymously, either in small groups or individually, and do not have any centralized organization or coordination.
    And I've highlighted a salient point. So, basically, an ALF cell can go off & do whatever the hell they want and if it turns out to be against the published credo, then the ALF will say (directly quoted from you in the thread I've linked to)
    Quote Originally Posted by Deus Ex
    I know the [alledged] ALF have been responsible for some atrocious actions, but if you look at the credo, they are not true ALF. They are the equivalent of Muslim fanatics blowing up trains & such.
    Nice excuse.

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