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    Swine Flu......what a load of shite!



    To me this does not seem to be any different from any other type of flu that most of us pick up from time to time. When I am back in not so sunny Wales I will pick up some sort of flu virus at least twice per winter and will be half dead for 3 or 4 days. Lemsips , soup and blow jobs off the missus and you soon pull through it.

    What are the figures now for people that have died through this 'swine flu''? How do the figures differ from the amount of old folk who die every year from the flu virus?

    Many old folk die every year in the UK from the flu virus because they have to be economical with their heating bills.

    I would like to see those figures compared with the ones from this apparent new threat on world health.









    Swine influenza - Swine Flu - Know The Facts

    Swine influenza also known as swine flu, hog flu,and pig flu refers to influenza caused by any strain of the influenza virus endemic in pigs (swine). Strains endemic in swine are called swine influenza virus (SIV).
    Of the three genera of human flu, two are endemic also in swine, types are : Influenzavirus A is common and Influenzavirus C is rare. Influenzavirus B has not been reported in swine. Within Influenzavirus A and Influenzavirus C, the strains endemic to swine and humans are largely distinct.
    Swine flu is common in swine in the midwestern United States (and occasionally in other states), Mexico, Canada, South America, Europe (including the United Kingdom, Sweden, and Italy), Kenya, China, Japan, Taiwan, and other parts of eastern Asia.
    Swine flu is rare in humans. People who work with swine, especially people with intense exposures, are at risk of catching swine influenza if the swine carry a strain able to infect humans. However, these strains infrequently circulate between humans as SIV rarely mutates into a form able to pass easily from human to human. In humans, the symptoms of swine flu are similar to those of influenza and of influenza-like illness in general, namely chills, fever, sore throat, muscle pains, severe headache, coughing, weakness and general discomfort.
    The 2009 flu outbreak in humans that is widely known as "swine flu" technically is not swine flu. It is due to a new strain of influenza A virus subtype H1N1 that derives from one strain of human influenza, one strain of avian influenza, and two separate strains of swine influenza. The origins of this new strain are unknown, and the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE) reports that this strain has not been isolated in swine. It passes with apparent ease from human to human, an ability attributed to an as-yet unidentified mutation. The strain in most cases causes only mild symptoms and the infected person makes a full recovery without requiring any medical attention, reduced chance of a full blown infection can be reduced or avoided with a healthy immune system, recommended products Click Here

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    • Avoid contact with other people as much as possible
    • Cover your nose and mouth when coughing or sneezing, using a tissue when possible
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    Swine Flu Symptoms

    The symptoms of swine flu are broadly the same as those of ordinary flu, but may be more severe and cause more serious complications.
    The typical symptoms are:
    sudden fever, and
    sudden cough.
    Other symptoms may include:
    headache,
    tiredness,
    chills,
    aching muscles,
    limb or joint pain,
    diarrhoea or stomach upset,
    sore throat,
    runny nose,
    sneezing, and
    loss of appetite.
    If the flu becomes pandemic, potentially, everyone is at risk because few people, if any at all, will have immunity (resistance) to it.
    If you have any of these symptoms but a flu pandemic has not been announced, you could have seasonal flu.

    Swine Flu Travel


    Travelling to an affected area
    If you are looking for advice on how swine flu might affect your travel plans, you should consult the FCO travel advice for the country concerned. If you are travelling to an affected country you should:
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    check the FCO travel advice for the relevant country before travelling


    Swine Flu Pandemic


    The UN's World Health Organization has raised the alert over swine flu to level five - indicating human-to-human transmission in at least two countries.
    It is a "strong signal that a pandemic is imminent", the WHO says.
    In Mexico, at the epicentre of the outbreak, people have been urged to stay at home over the next five days.
    There are numerous cases elsewhere - the highest number outside Mexico is the US - and Europeans have been told it is certain there will be deaths.

    WHO PANDEMIC ALERT PHASES

    Phase 1: No infections in humans are being caused by viruses circulating in animals.

    Phase 2: Animal flu virus causes infection in humans, and is a potential pandemic threat.

    Phase 3: Flu causes sporadic cases in people, but no significant human-to-human transmission.

    Phase 4: Human-to-human transmission and community-level outbreaks.

    Phase 5: Human-to-human transmission in at least two countries. Strong signal pandemic imminent.

    Phase 6: Virus spreads to another country in a different region. Global pandemic under way.

    Post-peak: Pandemic activity appears to be decreasing though second wave possible.
    Post-pandemic: activity returns to normal, seasonal flu levels.
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    Yep. Suckered again.

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    I think the awareness was important. Yes, the media got into a bit of a frenzy, but this is also how you get information out to the public.

    Recognize signs, prevention, and understand how it spread.

    If Swine Flu did hit East Asia it would have done major, major, economic damage.
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    Guess the makers of the Tamiflu anti-viral drug are about to make a hell of a lot of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Swan View Post
    Guess the makers of the Tamiflu anti-viral drug are about to make a hell of a lot of money.
    Yes, these pricks enter into the equation, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman View Post
    I think the awareness was important. Yes, the media got into a bit of a frenzy, but this is also how you get information out to the public.

    Recognize signs, prevention, and understand how it spread.

    If Swine Flu did hit East Asia it would have done major, major, economic damage.
    Missing the big picture Milky. It wasn't the plague of a strain that they played it up to be....common flu is all. 'Common' influsenza cause thousands of deaths each year.

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    Its not common flu its a new strain of flu we have no immunity to, so they never knew how it would affect us, and more people died in mexico at first. Besides the spainish flu in 1918, was worse the second wave, which is when most people died. I would rather people were overly careful, then underprepair and have people die.

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    Wednesday, May 13, 2009

    Thailand confirms first two cases of swine flu

    The winners of a recent 'catch the greased pig' competition in Nakhon Ratchasima province. The Ministry of Public Health has stopped using the term 'swine flu' for fear of harming Thailand's pork production industry.

    PHUKET CITY: Thailand yesterday confirmed its first two cases of Influenza 2009 in patients who had returned from Mexico.

    Public Health Minister Witthaya Kaewparadai said tests carried out by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in the United States and the Thai Medical Science Department had confirmed the A(H1N1) virus in samples from the two Thai nationals.

    “There are two confirmed cases of A(H1N1), both of them contracted from Mexico,” he said.

    Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva had earlier announced the first case, saying that the patient had “fully recovered and has returned home”. The US Center for Disease Control has confirmed that the sample sent is swine flu,” he said.

    Thailand becomes the 31st country hit by the virus so far.

    In a classic case of ill-conceived use of "branding", the Phuket Public Health Office, under the direction of the Ministry of Public Health, first referred to the influenza strain as "Swine Flu", then "Mexican Flu", and now "Influenza 2009".

    – The Nation



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    Someone had posted that the H1N1 (Swine) Flu pandemic was merely a ruse to draw attention away from the US Torture stories in the media a few weeks ago... At first I discounted that notion... Now, I'm not so sure as this strain of the flu has proven to be as potent as a drunk, limp-wristed ladyboy... Watch the shiny object...
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    its the aporkalypse .......

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    Nothing a bit of oinkment won't fix.

    It's the so-called experts, not the media, to blame for the hype. One virologist, on the basis of precisely nothing, said swine flu could become crossed with bird flu & mutate into an ‘ Armageddon’ strain.

    What a crock of shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redrum View Post
    Nothing a bit of oinkment won't fix.

    It's the so-called experts, not the media, to blame for the hype. One virologist, on the basis of precisely nothing, said swine flu could become crossed with bird flu & mutate into an ‘ Armageddon’ strain.

    What a crock of shit.
    With all due respect, the REAL problem is laymen who don't educate themselves on issues before spouting off on something about which they know sweet fanny adams.

    Try recalling the bird flu scare. Each and every case that was detected was caught directly from birds. There was no case of human to human transmission. What was the BIG scare at the time was if it got into the pig population, changed a bit more and became capable of human to human transmission. Well, guess what, thats pretty much what you got this time, and this is why the authorities are running scared.

    Your body (and immune system) has been seeing and fighting off HUMAN flu viruses all your life (and in terms of evolution, for millenia). Its pretty good at tackling HUMAN flu viruses. Its NOT so good at tackling stuff that is, lets say weirdly different.

    yes, HUMAN flu kills thousands each year. Mostly the old, the sick, the immune compromised and the very young (although vacinations have great sucess). THIS virus, with a big of a pig flu virus, a bit of a bird flu virus and a bit of human flu virus all mixed up kill the (previously) HEALTHY - and that, sonny boy, could include you.

    But hey, its the usual shit isn't it. The experts move quickly, isolate the infected take dramatic steps to control the outbreak, and when they do, the ignorant laymen come up with the "what a crock of shit". One time, when the experts DONT move quick enough because of static and apathy, and millions lie dying in the streets, I hope all those experts get together and say "we fucking TOLD you so".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne26 View Post
    Its not common flu its a new strain of flu we have no immunity to, so they never knew how it would affect us, and more people died in mexico at first. Besides the spainish flu in 1918, was worse the second wave, which is when most people died. I would rather people were overly careful, then underprepair and have people die.
    Obviously, there is a percentage of immunity out there. 99% of known cases have lived. As opposed that those 'not so special' strains that make there way around the world annually, where the survival rate isn't so modest. We never hear about these {yearly} strains that could easily be a superstrain. Just fear mongering and corporate marketing. They're very good at it because we're so catatonic and easily fall into their social engineering panterns.

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    3000 people die a DAY from malaria in Africa, yet you don't see the media getting all worked up about that do you?

    Just goes to show what a load of rubbish our media organizations really are. They are not bothered about providing decent news, they only want to cause some kind of outcry or epidemic event by playing on the ignorance of the average viewer.

    Nobody really cares or knows about malaria because 90% of deaths occur in Africa, the media is therefore simply not interested in providing any coverage, although in reality it is a lot more newsworthy than 99% of the other stuff they show. It is their responsibily to bring light to the situation, yet they don't, they just don't give a sh*t

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    Quote Originally Posted by madjbs View Post
    3000 people die a DAY from malaria in Africa, yet you don't see the media getting all worked up about that do you?

    Just goes to show what a load of rubbish our media organizations really are. They are not bothered about providing decent news, they only want to cause some kind of outcry or epidemic event by playing on the ignorance of the average viewer.

    Nobody really cares or knows about malaria because 90% of deaths occur in Africa, the media is therefore simply not interested in providing any coverage, although in reality it is a lot more newsworthy than 99% of the other stuff they show. It is their responsibily to bring light to the situation, yet they don't, they just don't give a sh*t
    Exactly. You might add AIDS to that very short list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by madjbs View Post
    3000 people die a DAY from malaria in Africa, yet you don't see the media getting all worked up about that do you?

    Just goes to show what a load of rubbish our media organizations really are. They are not bothered about providing decent news, they only want to cause some kind of outcry or epidemic event by playing on the ignorance of the average viewer.

    Nobody really cares or knows about malaria because 90% of deaths occur in Africa, the media is therefore simply not interested in providing any coverage, although in reality it is a lot more newsworthy than 99% of the other stuff they show. It is their responsibily to bring light to the situation, yet they don't, they just don't give a sh*t
    Exactly. You might add AIDS to that very short list.
    On a simple new year holiday in Thailand 300 - 400 people die - every year we hear what will be changed! Swine flu sells more news, me thinks!

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    they said pigs would fly before america elected a black president, well pig flu boom boom

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    swine flu--more scaremongering from the virus-hunters

    “The swine flu fiasco of 1976 is an example of the damage that can be done from fear of a mutated virus that can theoretically affect us. More than 1,000 cases of paralysis occurred from a rushed vaccine given to more than 40 million people in response to a pandemic that never came.

    “Why provoke the public to see a potential pandemic in end-of-the-world terms? A pandemic simply means people in several areas having a disease at the same time -- but it may be hundreds rather than millions. The last flu pandemic, in 1968, killed 33,800 Americans, which is about the flu's toll in an average year. We don't need to panic in advance for that kind of pandemic.


    “Cooking poultry kills any flu 100 percent of the time, yet the fear of H5N1 bird flu is already so out of control in Europe that 46 countries have banned French poultry exports after a single turkey was found to be infected. France, fourth in the world in poultry exports, is already hemorrhaging more than $40 million a month.


    “Imagine what would happen if a bird in the United States gets H5N1 bird flu. At the rate we are going, the fear of birds will be so great that our own poultry industry, number one in the world, is likely to be in shambles. We already have this problem with mad cow disease, where a single sick cow that is not even in the food chain makes people very nervous, despite the fact that it is almost impossible to get mad cow disease from eating beef.


    “Flu is worthy of our concern. But concern can lead to long term preparation whereas panic can be far more virulent and costly than the bird flu itself.”


    Dr. Marc Siegel, associate professor of medicine at NYU School of Medicine, is author of ''False Alarm: The Truth About the Epidemic of Fear."

    Excerpts from: The cost of bird flu hysteria, March 17, 2006
    MARC SIEGEL, M.D. © Copyright 2006 Globe Newspaper Company.


    Dear Jim,


    The reason why the Flu was so successful in 1918 was primarily the "terrain", namely the millions of immuno-deficient hosts and hostesses starved and stressed by 4 years of war.


    Secondarily, one can speculate that the 1918 flu strain may also have been a "new" recombinant to the 1918 population and thus more successful than a more established seasonal strain may have been. As I found in 1968, flu, unlike practically all other animal viruses, has multiple RNA segments, equivalent to multiple chromosomes and thus can readily form new recombinants - the reason why we have seasonal flus, but have measles, mumps, polio, pox etc. only once in a lifetime.


    Thirdly, the odds that the Centers for Disease Control alias World Health Organization ever predicts an epidemic prior to its arrival are not good: They have predicted in past several years numerous epidemics or "pandemics" such as the flu, the hanta-virus, anthrax, the rotavirus, the Ebola virus, the West Nile virus, "mad cow" epidemic, the Sars-virus epidemic, an epi-pandemic of "random, eg. heterosexual non-drug user-AIDS" - but none of these ever materialized (see, Inventing the AIDS Virus, Regnery publishing, Washington DC, 1996). The last one that came close to an epidemic was polio in the 1950s and that was not predicted by American public health scientists.


    Fourth, the currently hyped prospective Flu pandemic has long missed its chances. It has been hyped almost daily in the San Francisco Chronicle since November. But all that happened was a dead chicken in Nigeria, a hamster in Germany, two sick (dead?) kids in Turkey, a euthanized swan in Sweden, several dead or euthanized chicken in Iraq (Yes Iraq!!) etc. That is not the pattern of a potential killer microbe. All "new" killer viral or microbial epidemics of the past have spread exponentially within weeks to months and then declined exponentially owing to the induction of immunity or death of susceptible hosts - take Albert Camus' "Plague" as a classical example.


    The current Flu propaganda is thus a mix of ignorance and self-interest and an exploitation of general ignorance by the CDC, WHO, the vaccine, pill and test-kit manufacturers of our universities and pharma companies, and of our "science" journalists, who need to fill their daily columns - and must sell their aging vaccine stocks before they decompose and their Tamiflu pills before the summer.
    But despite hyping in dozens of microbial Godots - no Godot has come since polio.


    People are just too well nourished these days, and thus have optimally maintained immune systems, for microbes to attack more than just the fringes of the ever growing human herd. That in fact is their historical share. The 150 million+ Flu pandemics are hype for fund raising by the ever more costly science/health armies in search for real enemies. Their success is based on the invisible monsters of the microbial epidemics of the times, when nutrition lacked vitamines, proteins and sanitation or was lacking all together - and on the never failing microbial and viral horror phantasies of our science writers, politicians and Hollywood producers.


    And now I have given you a lecture, although I had intended to feed you just a few convenient lines...


    Hope you like it and don’t mind that I cc it several colleagues who have asked but didn't get a good answer, because I was too "busy" to write.


    Regards,
    Peter

    (Peter H. Duesberg, Ph.D. is a professor of Molecular and Cell Biology at the University of California, Berkeley and is the author of the book, “Inventing the AIDS Virus”).
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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    With all due respect, the REAL problem is laymen who don't educate themselves on issues before spouting off on something about which they know sweet fanny adams
    I'm not an educated man, granted, but I know a case of flying-pig flu when I see one.

    THIS virus, with a big of a pig flu virus, a bit of a bird flu virus and a bit of human flu virus all mixed up kill the (previously) HEALTHY
    Be honest, it's not going to happen.

    The experts move quickly, isolate the infected take dramatic steps to control the outbreak
    Which they didn't.

    I know a girl three miles up the road from me who's got it.

    millions lie dying in the streets
    You're worse than the guy banding 'Armegeddon' about. What is it with you lot & your doomsday predictions?

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