Thread: Teakdoor members meet to discuss feminazis.

Originally Posted by plorf

I have read Simone de Beauvoirs and Sartres work, or at least their more important books, and thus had in mind the importance of her ideas and her being considered the "mother of modern feminism". She herself had no regrets to get rid of "that thing feeding inside her", and considered it an assault to her personal freedom

I think even the pro-life lobby would admit that she may have had a point and there could have been mitigating circumstances if it was JPS who got her up the duff...

1. Moderate beliefs are better than rabid ones, no question about that.
But once you call yourself a member of a belief system, be it a religion or an ideology and then start cherry picking the things you like and ignoring those you don't, then it is in my opinion not wrong to question if they are "real" followers of that belief at all. I don't mind on an individual level if they do, but being a moderate Catholic while ignoring the Vaticans official positions on things is somewhat silly. The very reason why many women nowadays are somewhat alienated from real feminists, they like and enjoy their achievements but can't really accept their more radical concepts behind the movement.

2. You didn't state it was unconditional, and I wasn't refering to your own position on things of which, I admit, am only vaguely informed. I was refering to the feminist movement who openly and repeatedly proclaimed it to be one of their core principles.

Originally Posted by Frankenstein

Do you think it is a fair assumption that perhaps you'd think differently if you were a woman who had been subjected to a brutal gang rape, and society forced you to bear the child that was the result?

Frank I was in my office in the factory and I got cut off from the internet and before I could finish my post. Somehow I pressed send and whilst I was typing my quote and I was called down onto a machine and before I could edit it.

You may read my thought and feelings now.

Originally Posted by Dug

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

Originally Posted by Dug

It's a womans 'right' to murder an unborn child?
Where did you get that idea?
For the sake of this argument leaving aside the issues of severely malformed or handicapped babies and of endangered mothers, but simply inconvenient pregnancies.

But it isn't a " child", is it? In fact it's nowhere near viable and the argument to ban is based on sexist , religious precepts that are about controlling women ( and breeding more Catholics..)

So is birth- control more " Feminazism" ?

When you say "nowhere near 'viable'" at what point does it become 'viable' in your opinion?
And stop trying to build strawmen and divert the argument.

and the argument to ban is based on sexist , religious precepts that are about controlling women

It's not about the women, it's about the children.

Viable; to exist on its own.
Actually Dug, while this argument on abortion is interesting and a model of civil discourse, the topic that you started is actually, " Feminazis.."

So I'll ask again do you think birth control is a woman's right or is that more extreme feminist ( feminazi ? ) ideals?

And may I ask, are you a follower of a patriarchal religion? Because I find the more religious the individual, the more likely they are to want to exert control over women's bodies.

^How did religion get thrown into this conversation. I think religion especially catholic religion has a negative affect on women, because it does not allow them to make their own decisions about their bodies like abortion. We live in a partriarchal society, but that is changing, and the woman's movement has come a hell of a long way. I don't believe in the 'feminazi' stance when it comes to abortion.

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

Having experienced the joy of being a father many times over I cannot think of facing that heart breaking decision and that is to abort a child.

Having said that I have known people in fairly desperate positions and supported them which ever way they decided.

Some couples have decided postponing becoming parents because of obvious reasons like establishing themselves first and others have decided what the heck, its not what we planned but shit happens, lets have the baby.

Others have been young girls who have aborted their pregnancy, some have kept gone through with the pregnancy and kept the child and others have adopted the child out as soon as it was born.

Whichever way a couple or an unmarried girl with child decide it is their business and no person, group or organization should dictate how or what they should or must do.

Life's too short as it is and after you have made your way into it and then have it ruined by an unwanted pregnancy.

I have also seen neglected children that have been born to people who never wanted them in the first place nor deserved to have them at all and it is a horrifying sad sight.

Nicely said. I've seen most of these too. I think it is an option in extreme cases such as abuse. It is a choice for woman, and should not be abused as an easy way to abort a fetus. Children are way to precious for that.

Originally Posted by phuketbound

^How did religion get thrown into this conversation. I think religion especially catholic religion has a negative affect on women, because it does not allow them to make their own decisions about their bodies like abortion. We live in a partriarchal society, but that is changing, and the woman's movement has come a hell of a long way. I don't believe in the 'feminazi' stance when it comes to abortion. .....

I think patriarchal religion is THE impetus for controlling women's fertility.
So you agree with Dug, that it is a " Feminazi " stance that abortion is a woman's choice?

^No, it is not 'feminazi' to believe that abortion is a woman's choice. Geesh!

The feminazi's believe the option of abortion is essential to the political, social, and economic advancement of women.

Ridiculous.

Feminazis also believe that all sex is rape. Yikes.

I wouldn't classify myself as one.

Hey, musty, you're a fat libbie lesbo, aren't you? Or are you reach around's blow-up wife? You should go on a mission for women's rights in the muslim countries. Probably get more charity money for that, too.

now now Jet

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Hey, musty, you're a fat libbie lesbo, aren't you? Or are you reach around's blow-up wife?

Anyone else thinking that Mustava & Horse's Ass are either partners or separate parts of the same personality?
There's a lot to be said for the benefits of continuing to take the anti-psychosis meds, IMO.

Originally Posted by Norton

In your quest for complete gender equality you must agree, if the father committed to the total care giving and financial responsibility for the child, then this would constitute a "condition" on the woman. Both the goose and the gander acted in unison to conceive the child so seems only fair the gander have equal rights. __________________

That is fair (genuinely - in most cases, but not for rape or physical/psychological illness of the mother which may constitute harm for her if she goes ahead with pregnancy), but it still doesn't take into account the gestation period. Is the hypothetical father going to take his turn, there? Since that's not biologically possible, I think the gestation period and labour itself still give the woman an edge on the 'choice' issue. If the woman were willing to go through those, surely she'd have opted for putting the child up for adoption, rather than abortion, anyway?

Originally Posted by Norton

So then it would amount to 9 months physical of discomfort for the woman through the gestation period trumping a life time of potential psychological pain and suffering the father may experience.

Really? Why would a father that expected that put himself forward for it? And why would a mother, knowing that's how he thought of raising a child, allow her child to go to someone who would think so negatively of him or her? Better not to be born than to go to a parent of either gender who is so negative.

Originally Posted by Norton

Nine months for the mother's turn in return for a lifetime for the father taking his turn seems one hell of a good deal for the mother!

If it were that 'simple', yes, but it isn't. As you say

Originally Posted by Norton

Many of the women I know who have consider the option fear once the baby is born they will not be willing to go through with the adoption and will end up with a child they cannot provide for.

so, what if she decides to keep the child, having said the father could have him/her? What are the legalities? What if the father decides, after 18 months - or whatever, it's just too difficult? Or he meets a new woman who doesn't want someone else's child? Lots of potential problems.

^ Musty, there is no sign of intelligence in any post you have made on your short time on the board. ThaiViisa needs new members.

Originally Posted by November Rain

Really? Why would a father that expected that put himself forward for it? And why would a mother, knowing that's how he thought of raising a child, allow her child to go to someone who would think so negatively of him or her? Better not to be born than to go to a parent of either gender who is so negative.

Must be my writing was writ rotten. Let me restate.

The father wants the child and intends to commit to raising him/her. The mother opts to abort his child in spite of his wishes. This in turn causes the father a life time of psychological suffering because his child was aborted.

Originally Posted by November Rain

so, what if she decides to keep the child, having said the father could have him/her? What are the legalities?

Lawyers get involved and the court decides.

Originally Posted by November Rain

What if the father decides, after 18 months - or whatever, it's just too difficult? Or he meets a new woman who doesn't want someone else's child? Lots of potential problems.

These things can happen to the mother who opts to have the child. No difference in recourse for either. If the mother/father decided the relationship with the new man/woman was more important than keeping their child then they would have to put the child up for adoption.

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

Originally Posted by Phuketbound;

No, it is not 'feminazi' to believe that abortion is a woman's choice. Geesh!

The feminazi's believe the option of abortion is essential to the political, social, and economic advancement of women.

Ridiculous.

Feminazis also believe that all sex is rape. Yikes.

I wouldn't classify myself as one.

You believe in a woman's right to abortion , but do not think it important to her advancement or crucial to her equality and those that do think so are labeled the derogatory Feminazi ?

(Who also say " Sex is rape" ? )

And I think you are mistaken, I know a lot of feminists, some of them quite radical and I've never heard anyone claim sex is rape.

The following was posted by Dug , he believes the precept that women who assert abortion is their right are " Feminazis"

Then the cartoon has some women about to blow up a man with dynamite in his rectum.

I think the real issue here with men who want to restrict women's reproductive freedom is that they really have no say in passing on their genes , arguably the prime motivator in human behavior and this is emasculating, therefore they react in just the way Dug has, and others, which is knee jerk ridicule and personal attacks.

Not sure why women do it but I think it has to do with how independent they are. Depending on another for support is one way women are discouraged to act or think in ways that buck traditional male superior roles and women who do must be ostracized , lest they upset the status-quo that allows them to NOT have to rely exclusively on themselves, perhaps?


I think Jet Gordon isn't going to stop the personal attacks because we are opposite idealogically and JG has little reasoning or agumentative skills, but trying to draw out personal details by way of infantile sexual insults isn't going to work .
I will not share any personal details about myself on a public internet forum and nor should anyone else

Not sure why November rain is slandering me, we seems to share in much of the same views regarding feminism.




Note the use of the term, " extreme", even dictionaries are labelling feminist ideals as " extreme "

Originally Posted by Dug

Feminazi

feminazi - 1 dictionary result
Main Entry: feminaziPart of Speech: nDefinition: an extreme feminist who believes the option of abortion is essential to the political, social, and economic advancement of womenEtymology: feminist + NaziUsage: derogatory Webster's New Millennium™ Dictionary of English
Copyright © 2003-2009 Dictionary.com, LLC

Here's one for musntavaclit
American Feminazi Party Official Homepage
500,000 Women Sue Wal-Mart For Sex/Wage Discrimination
That shoul keep you busy for a while.

Are you for real? Cause you keep spouting the same shit, and you are making my head spin in circles. Give it a rest. Dug never came back to defend his views..so basically, give it up.

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

Not sure why November rain is slandering me, we seems to share in much of the same views regarding feminism.

Really? That surprises me. I thought you had more in common with Horse Doctor's views, which is why I made the comment.

Originally Posted by Norton

The father wants the child and intends to commit to raising him/her. The mother opts to abort his child in spite of his wishes. This in turn causes the father a life time of psychological suffering because his child was aborted.

Aaah, OK. I understand now. Sorry, I read it that the child would give him a lifetime of suffering.


How can he prove the child is his? Before birth, I mean. Surely this would need to be established beyond doubt before going down any legal roads.

Originally Posted by Norton

These things can happen to the mother who opts to have the child. No difference in recourse for either.

Slight difference. If the mother initially wanted the child and then decided 'no', then the father or the father's family might step in. If the mother didn't want the child, then the father deciding against it makes it an instant orphan (and in the Govt of the country's view, a burden on the state) Not sure whether lawmakers would change laws which could potentially see the state looking after more children.

I am sure most guys would be horrified at the idea of their child being aborted, and many might make the snap decision that they would take on the child rather than let that happen. But, I'm not sure how that would work. Childcare laws in the workplace are not geared towards men in most cases. Childcare support in the community is not geared towards men. I think a man doing this would find it far harder than he anticipated and might end up regretting his choice or even (God forbid!) resenting the child.

Originally Posted by November Rain

Sorry, I read it that the child would give him a lifetime of suffering.

Ain't that the truth...

Originally Posted by November Rain

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

Not sure why November rain is slandering me, we seems to share in much of the same views regarding feminism.

Really? That surprises me. I thought you had more in common with Horse Doctor's views, which is why I made the comment.

As you express belief in right to abortions I would say our views are similar.

So calling me a horse's ass and references to needing medication is puzzling.
Horse dr has not posted on this thread, I really don't get the reference.. Perhaps you are insulted by the term feminist?


Phuketbound,

I am a feminist, from a family of feminists, married to a feminist and non of us equate sex with rape, that is just BS propaganda to besmirch the efforts to achieve equality for women.

It's an extreme statement I would expect out of Blackgang or its ilk.

^ Brainwashed tit is what you are. I made my own way and I ain't a feminist. I'm a woman and a person who knows what I want and who also works to get it without demanding or expecting free breaks. Same for my Granma and my Mom. Feminists never helped me; in fact, I used to get attacked by uncouth slobbie fems when I worked on the uni newspaper. You don't get rights when you have no respect for others and demand comp for yourself just coz you're a chick.