Who for in the last two elections?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffects
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Who for in the last two elections?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffects
Marmite, You are obviously dishonest. You failed to copy and paste the question mark after "Iraq was no threat" Changing the entire context of what I was saying. Are you a liar, dishonest or stupid?
which part you couldn't resolve with your lies ? :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffects
I voted for McCain in the last and President Bush in the previous one.
you are all of the above,Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffects
Still trying to be noticed butterfly? You are a joke.
The Americans and their allies have been responsible for the deaths of a lot of Iraqis. Estimates are hard to make but through the two Gulf wars and sanctions, Iraqi deaths run into the millions. This is directly at the hands of the US & UK governments. That's genocidal-scale killing. These countries also launched pre-planned wars of aggression; this is a war crime and the leaders of these countries should be tried as such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffects
best troll ever, not as good though as engaging our resident war hero Texpat :)
yes, when are they going to charge Bush and Blair with war crime ? Bush might get away with it, but that dumb Blair should be prosecuted for putting the UK at risk and engaging in an illegal war. He is also directly responsible for the London bombing.
Excuse me, Iraq attacked an Ally and signed an unconditional surrender. Seems to me their Government brought the woe upon them. In any poll the majority are glad we are there and saddam gone. That's a fact. They kill more innocent civilians with suicide bombs than we do. We focus all our efforts on enemy combatants.
Up to 80 cruise missiles were fired at Afghanistan and Sudan in August 1998. An American-funded training project in Afghanistan has closed down as a result of the US cruise missile attack on the country in August. The programme was funded by the American oil company, Unocal, which was once hoping to be involved in building a gas pipeline across the country from Turkmenistan to Pakistan.
The war on Afghanistan was sold to the public as a reaction to the attacks on 11 September 2001. However, the war was planned before the infamous 9/11 disaster, and the military action began long before the World Trade Center fell.
The conquest of Afghanistan had been planned since at least 12 February 1998, and 9/11 happened just in time to secure public support for the attacks.
So, what are you fighting for again Jeffe? Oh that's right, weapons of mass destruction and terrorism. :mid:
Ha Ha Filch. I actually thought you were smarter than this. President Johnson had Kennedy killed and we faked the moon landing. And all the Jews missed work on 9/11. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha. Classic goofy conspiracy theories. Any proof? Didn't think so. I might have to relegate you to Butterfly status.
So Clinton and Bush were in on it together? all the Generals, Congress? Ha Ha Ha. So stupid.
Gotta go for now kids. Talk to you later.
Quite right, do you seriously think the government would have such documentation, recordings of conversations etc... available in the public domain. How easily you take in the propaganda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffects
Sometimes you have to take a step back from your seppo stance, have a look a the world, and I'm talking globally and economically and then form your own opinion.
As Flavor Flav once said 'don't believe the hype!'
I think it would be fair to say that the US 'lost' the war in Vietnam because they failed to achieve their aims and lost public opinion at home.
To say they were defeated militarily is plain wrong, they never lost a battle and the fact that they can count an name all thir dead on a wall is testament to that number. I doubt North Vietnam could. Correct me if I am wrong, but 65,000 dead as opposed to over 2 million?
You may want to bait Jeffects, but there are enough facts to play with as opposed to just making stuff up.
Spot On.Quote:
They thought they were fighting communism, when, in reality, they were fighting an independence movement that just happened to be communist.
^ bullshit, they were losing grounds, couldn't hold Saigon any longer and had to flee
should I remind you how that they were absent in the North and couldn't take it back ?
ah, another conservative quitter, faced with tough questions and leave, as a typical American coward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffects
Are you sure you are not related to AA or reach around Sexpat ?
Ok, numbnuts. Is this better?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffects
Iraq was no threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffects
That was the first Iraq war, which was done and dusted in the early 90s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffects
How was Iraq a threat to US national security with regard to the second Gulf War?
I can answer that for him, because they were responsible for 911 and they were full of terrorists :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
Unfortunately, that was a strategy that the USA found out was wrong far too late in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffects
There is a great book about the Iraq war called Fiasco. In it, it describes the tactics used by different battalions over the areas they were responsible for. The US army treated the people like shit. If they needed to detain a suspected terrorist, they would break into the house, knock the guy down in front of his family and humiliate him. Searching the house, they would wreck furniture and possesions. They would cart away the man, sometimes in his underwear.
A certain leader of a US marine brigade in charge of a particularly nasty area in the north had done his home-work on counter-insurgency techniques. He realised that you can either fight the insurgents (as the rest of the US forces were doing), or, fight the insurgency. He realised that if you decide to fight the insurgency, both sides are fighting for the same prize; the hearts and minds of the people.
When his marines had to arrest a suspected terrorist, they would knock on the door of the house, explain why they were there and wait outside. The suspect always came out and thanked them for showing respect. This strategy worked. Ordinary people would give the marines info on suspected terrorists instead of driving them to sympathize with the insurgents.
It took many wasted years for the US top brass to understand this very basic counter-insurgency tenet.
This is probably closer to the truth than not, Butters. This long held myth that {US} domestic resistence and protests created the push to withdrawal is repeated widely until it becomes real. The fact is the Yanks never gained a foothold and by 1969, the underlying powers to be had decided they'd had enough - continued to give their best efforts for the continuing years but they were never winning. Long had a difficult time with guerrilla warfare and a general population they had never secured {hearts & minds myth}. Most don't even consider American acitivity in Laos from 1961-1975 where the support and direct/indirect maintanence of that theatre was more profound than Vietnam. 5 times the total sorties were engaged in Laos {and Cambodia}. The Yanks basically were running the French wars from the early 50s and just took over the reigns after the French had enough. 1950-1975....{79-85 if you include the creation and maintanence of the Pol Pot & the Khmer Rouge}. The Americans were defeated all the around. The spunky Vietnamese have repelled 3 rounds with the Chinese, A couple from the Khmer Empire, A couple of periods with the French, and than the Yanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
chuck norris doesn't knock on doors or wait for anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Attilla the Hen
Oh boy. If I don't sit on my computer all day I'm running scared. Ha ha. I had to watch the Lakers and they lost so I'm in a foul mood. Ha Ha.
Attiilla, document your outrageous claims or shut up.
Babcock, i respect you're opinion because it is based on fact and not just insulting nonsense.
Sorry folks. I love my Country and am honored to be an American. Sorry if that pisses you off. I would hope you would feel the same way about your country. If not, I feel sorry for you. But I would never be so pretentious as to insult you for that. I would respect that even if I didn't agree.
You can buy the book Fiasco at any book shop. It has been endorsed by many US Generals and officials. Don't have it on me at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffects