Thread: Slave trade to UK

Originally Posted by DrAndy

yes Lily, I have agreed with you. Bringing in Thailand to compare and saying that it is much worse, therefore you should not complain about the UK (or Aussie) immigration is pointless. I am not an Anglophile, or even a Thaiophile, in spite of continuous accusations. I am just a realist.

Now you are purposely trying to cloud the issues, and it wasn't me that introduced Thailand to the story.

The story is of a Thai who chose to use a false passport to enter the UK helped/controlled by powerful people in LOS and then ended up in trouble and tries to point blame at UK immigration who may have been bribed.

Originally Posted by Smeg

Now you are purposely trying to cloud the issues, and it wasn't me that introduced Thailand to the story.

Ignore - his head has gone from the other thread.

Originally Posted by Lily

In a first world country we should be able to trust that officials paid to uphold the law are doing so.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006240168,00.html

Originally Posted by Dougal

My personal impression is that the government here (UK) is not interested in controlling immigration and by implication will turn a blind eye to corruption by officials provided it is not exposed by other means (media).

What is their motive for this?

Too hard?

Originally Posted by Lily

What is their motive for this? Too hard?

Immigrants work cheap, arrive ready to start, generate tax revenue and if they are illegals have no recourse to the welfare state.

Immigration is a political issue, any goverment that was honest about encouraging immigation would be unpopular with the xenophobic Brits.

Originally Posted by Dougal

Immigrants work cheap, arrive ready to start, generate tax revenue and if they are illegals have no recourse to the welfare state.

Our tax system is so vicious and they have such big brother knowlege of where we are and what we are doing, not many illegals can last for too long outside of family run very small businesses.

Originally Posted by Lily

Yes, I know, but Poolcleaner will be here in a tic, to shut us up.

Hmm...I wish!

No, quite an intelligent and civilised debate so far.

One wonders why you can't behave like this more often.

Anyway, carry on. I'm enjoying the read, except for cantonas useless intrusion, of course.

Originally Posted by poolcleaner

One wonders why you can't behave like this more often.

Poolcleaner I dont give a fuck what you think of my 'behaviour'.

Who do you think you are?

Originally Posted by Lily

Originally Posted by poolcleaner

One wonders why you can't behave like this more often.

Poolcleaner I dont give a fuck what you think of my 'behaviour'.

Who do you think you are?

The constant object of your attention it would seem.

You stalk, you troll, you bring very little to the forum.

If I'm not impressed with what I see I shall remind you what I think of your behaviour as often as I like with no regard to whether you give a fuck or not.

You're nothing special here Lily. No privileges.

Originally Posted by poolcleaner

The constant object of your attention it would seem.

I beg to differ.

You cannot see a post of mine without making a comment on it.

I very rarely post any replies to you

Originally Posted by poolcleaner

You're nothing special here Lily. No privileges.

Now that the fat arse comments have shown you to be a complete wanker, you use something that you have learned about me in a snide, nasty little way.

Originally Posted by poolcleaner

If I'm not impressed with what I see I shall remind you what I think of your behaviour as often as I like with no regard to whether you give a fuck or not.

That was unnecessary; I have already told you I dont give a fuck.

Originally Posted by Lily

You cannot see a post of mine without making a comment on it.

Poor Lily doesn't like the taste of her own medicine

Originally Posted by Lily

Originally Posted by poolcleaner

The constant object of your attention it would seem.

I beg to differ.

You cannot see a post of mine without making a comment on it.

I very rarely post any replies to you

What a load of bollocks.
Squirrel would ask you to do the research but I won't.
Anyone flicking through any number of threads will find your posts not followed by mine.

Minus 1 Lily

Originally Posted by poolcleaner

You're nothing special here Lily. No privileges.

Originally Posted by Lily

Now that the fat arse comments have shown you to be a complete wanker, you use something that you have learned about me in a snide, nasty little way.

God knows what you're on about but please define snide and nasty.

Originally Posted by poolcleaner

If I'm not impressed with what I see I shall remind you what I think of your behaviour as often as I like with no regard to whether you give a fuck or not.

Originally Posted by Lily

That was unnecessary; I have already told you I dont give a fuck.

As uneccessary as your comment in the squirrel thread.
You start this shit and then moan when it gets too much.


Obviously by your reaction you do give a fuck.

You're pretty damn quick to join in the attack on other posters when you've got your little gang together but you squirm when the spotlights on you, don't you.

Maybe you should have a look at yourself and your contribution and run the same critique over that before you 'have a go' at someone else.

Originally Posted by Lily

Originally Posted by Dougal

My personal impression is that the government here (UK) is not interested in controlling immigration and by implication will turn a blind eye to corruption by officials provided it is not exposed by other means (media).

What is their motive for this?

Too hard?

I think Dougals personal impression is not the correct one. The reality is more that the immigration service is swamped and cannot manage, it is full of poor managers and civil servants who are more interested in their pension than trying to get new cases solved. There is the old way of working still in the Home Office. The minister in charge recently had to resign, although I think a little unfairly.

One of the reasons the immigration service is swamped is the many new laws and changes that the government has instigated, without much thought for the actual implementation.

looking at the above exchange between Poolie and Lily (happy fellow forummers), would either of you like to apply for a job in the UK Immigration service?

Originally Posted by Dougal

Immigrants work cheap, arrive ready to start, generate tax revenue and if they are illegals have no recourse to the welfare state.
...

Sorry to barge in here and nitpicking, but that's not quite correct.
Legal immigrants have no right to claim unemployment benefit, the dole, housing benefit etc. as far as the Immigration Office is concerned, even if they paid taxes for years. Individual employment offices may take a different stance on this. (First hand experience)

On the other hand, as already mentioned, even illegal immigrants are often able to get a National Insurance card, entitling them to medical treatment under the NHS and opening the door to other benefits as well.

Originally Posted by DrAndy

looking at the above exchange between Poolie and Lily (happy fellow forummers), would either of you like to apply for a job in the UK Immigration service?

We can't.

We're both old fucks and the working regulations for the UK mean we have to be under 28 to get a work permit.

I did marry 2 english girls though and was engaged to a third.
Maybe I can sneak in the backdoor!

(I've done that before!! )

"Oi!! that's not ma pussy!!"

"Ooops, sorry luv, I slipped........but seeing as I'm here anyway....."

(hmm....according to another popular Lily thread that constitutes rape I think!)

Never mind Poolie, but it does seem they are so desperate that either of you would be welcome

or maybe not that desperate!

Does Lily think that "backdoor" activities constitute rape? I am sure, if consensual, it would not be considered such.

Woman jailed for keeping sex slaves

By Mariza Fiamengo June 09, 2006

THE first person in Australia to be found guilty by a jury of possessing sex slaves has been jailed for 10 years.

Brothel owner Wei Tang, 44, wept uncontrollably as she was sentenced to 10 years jail with a minimum of six years.
This came after a Victorian County Court jury in Melbourne found her guilty of five charges of possessing a slave and five of owning a slave.
The eight-week trial was told five Thai sex workers, who cannot be named, were smuggled into Australia on illegally obtained visas with the promise they would eventually be able to work legally in the sex trade.
But the women were told they first had to work off a debt of about $45,000 each.
The women worked at Tang's brothel, Club 417 in Brunswick Street, Fitzroy in Melbourne's inner-north, and the offences took place between August 2002 and May 2003.
They had to work six days a week in the brothel for no pay over four to six months, serving 900 customers.
The women received $50 pocket money if they worked on the seventh day, the court was told.
Judge Michael McInerney said while the women were not kept under lock and key, they were "effectively restrained by the insidious nature of their contract".
That included the fear of detection from immigration authorities, they had no money, no passport, no friends and limited English, the court was told.
Tang was one of the first people charged under federal anti-slavery laws introduced in 1999.
She is the first person to be found guilty by a jury of the offences under this legislation.
Judge McInerney said he took into account that Tang had no prior convictions and the harsh background she endured in China as a daughter of a banker until she moved to Australia in 1998.
He said the victims were well provisioned, fed and provided for in order to work in Tang's business.
Tang's original trial ended in a deadlocked jury in May last year.
Tang and her co-accused Paul Pick, the manager of the brothel, had pleaded not guilty to five charges each of possessing a slave and five each of using a slave.
After three days of deliberations, the original jury could not decide on the 10 charges against Tang.
They found Pick, 47, of North Balwyn, not guilty of eight charges and were undecided on one count each of possessing and using a slave.
The crown prosecution today told the court it was not proceeding with its case against Pick and had discharged the remaining two charges.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...3-1702,00.html

Australia has similar problems also.