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    Burglaries per capita

    According to this report, there are far less burglaries in Thailand than in most Western countries.
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    Why do people in Thailand then run around and fortify their houses with walls, fences and god knows what else?

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    Good old Australia, well at least we are the top in something, I love this place, NOT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Ninja View Post

    Why do people in Thailand then run around and fortify their houses with walls, fences and god knows what else?
    I'd guess its to keep the burglars out, seems to be working too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Ninja View Post
    According to this report, there are far less burglaries in Thailand than in most Western countries.
    NationMaster - Burglaries (per capita) (most recent) by country

    Why do people in Thailand then run around and fortify their houses with walls, fences and god knows what else?
    Actually, as percentages go, you'll find an greater number of properties that aren't 'forted off'. Perimeter enclosures as fences and walls {of every sort and description} are initiated for aesthetic and decor purposes. As this is a largely rural culture where neighbor and familial ties tend to deter such petty crime. In the city...that's a different tale. Like everywhere in the world...city life is more likely to retain these negative aspects to it's civilization.

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    Some reasons could be that in rural Thailand there is not much to steal and that is where the majority of the 65 million Thais live, another that the statistic material is very weak in this country with most things either not being reported and if reported not collected statisticly by the relevant authoritys where as other Country's is extremely efficient and if as much as a toothpick goes missing it will be in a central database within a few hours, but if you look at Pattaya we have on this estate still with all the security trappings had more than 10 break-ins that is between 40 houses so that would be 25% and most of them have not been reported to the Police, this goes on all over town, looking at some of the western Country's on top of the list there are rich pickings in every home all over the Country and the burglary's is being done to a great extend by other nationality's having seen a sharp rise with (gangs from Letland, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, Russia and Romania) coming travelling to the Country just with that purpose, I would suggest that not many burglars travel to Thailand just for the purpose of making burglaries. Statistics is a tool that can be used in ways that do not reflect the situations correctly, the rate of burglary's here in LOS is extremely high in the places where there are something worth stealing and that would in general be where we expats are living so do not let this lot of worthless numbers on the burglary statistics put you to sleep you still need to protect your valuables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr View Post
    Some reasons could be that in rural Thailand there is not much to steal and that is where the majority of the 65 million Thais live, another that the statistic material is very weak in this country with most things either not being reported and if reported not collected statisticly by the relevant authoritys where as other Country's is extremely efficient and if as much as a toothpick goes missing it will be in a central database within a few hours, but if you look at Pattaya we have on this estate still with all the security trappings had more than 10 break-ins that is between 40 houses so that would be 25% and most of them have not been reported to the Police, this goes on all over town, looking at some of the western Country's on top of the list there are rich pickings in every home all over the Country and the burglary's is being done to a great extend by other nationality's having seen a sharp rise with (gangs from Letland, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, Russia and Romania) coming travelling to the Country just with that purpose, I would suggest that not many burglars travel to Thailand just for the purpose of making burglaries. Statistics is a tool that can be used in ways that do not reflect the situations correctly, the rate of burglary's here in LOS is extremely high in the places where there are something worth stealing and that would in general be where we expats are living so do not let this lot of worthless numbers on the burglary statistics put you to sleep you still need to protect your valuables.
    Well said Larvy. Spot on......

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    Another point - knowing the ineptitude of the BiB - why even bother reporting a burglary?

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    Absolutely. When we got done I had to go round to the police station and wake the fukers up. Eventually 2 of them turned up and declared that I had done it myself.

    My own investigation work (pawn shops and electric shops) turned fruitful as I found the gf's Sony and Canon cameras. Unfortunately the place where I found them was owned by a Bad Ass Mutha who was also a high ranking copper. I was persuaded to just accept the loss and continue along the peaceful path without making waves.

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    I'm amazed at the South African number compared to Australia & New Zealand. I honestly thought that it was one of the worst in the world.

    I wonder how the statistics would stack up of light-green robberies versus the dark-green robberies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteshiva
    Another point - knowing the ineptitude of the BiB - why even bother reporting a burglary?
    And knowing that if you do there's a good chance it will end-up costing you even more money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr View Post
    ... another that the statistic material is very weak in this country with most things either not being reported and if reported not collected statisticly by the relevant authoritys...
    Probably true, just see this statistic where countries like Denmark and Finland seems to have the most crime per capita. According to the statistic, Denmark has around 20 times as much crime per capita as Colombia...
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    Stastics are meaningless without a context in which to evaluate them. Most important to know would be the source of the data. It's probably safe to assume that for each country the data comes from a Federal level organization; in America this is generally the F.B.I. or Department of Justice. So who provides the aggregated statistics for Thailand? And on what is that data basded? Convictions, arrests, reports filed?

    As anyone knows, getting the RTP just to investigate is enough of a challenge, and their standard tactics when any real progress is made is to get the perpetrator to make apology and restitution to the victim and consider it job done, in lieu of any official report being filed or charges laid. So the conclusion has to be that the number of actual robberies is far greater than what is reported.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Ninja View Post
    According to this report, there are far less burglaries in Thailand than in most Western countries.
    NationMaster - Burglaries (per capita) (most recent) by country

    Why do people in Thailand then run around and fortify their houses with walls, fences and god knows what else?
    I think you may have answered your own question.
    Perhaps
    According to this report, there are far less burglaries in Thailand than in most Western countries.
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    people in Thailand run around and fortify their houses with walls, fences and god knows what else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Ninja View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr View Post
    ... another that the statistic material is very weak in this country with most things either not being reported and if reported not collected statisticly by the relevant authoritys...
    Probably true, just see this statistic where countries like Denmark and Finland seems to have the most crime per capita. According to the statistic, Denmark has around 20 times as much crime per capita as Colombia...
    NationMaster - Total crimes (per capita) (most recent) by country
    Exactly Ninja

    If you check out the number of prisoners pr. 100.000 Thailand has 340, Denmark has 72 wich suggests that something is not quite up to scratch with the Thai statistics.

    Look at the murder stats, Denmark is 53 out of 62 Country's ( Thailand nr. 14.) and that of cause reflects down through other serious crimes, in truth serious crime is very little in DK, but the technology level is among the highest in the world so every petty crime is registered like theft of bicycles, vandalism on property, urinating in a public place aso. aso. all State and local Government institutions and most private company's (like insurance company's) is required to send monthly reports to "Danmarks Statestik" there all the number chrunching is done and not much is missed.

    DK is number 6 in Civil and Political liberty's, nr. 7 in Economic freedom, nr. 6 in Gross National Income pr. capita ( richest people), nr. 4 on the list of the least corrupt Country's, nr. 4 on the list of most spending on healthcare pr. Capita, nr. 7 on the list of the most happy people in the world.

    So you see if you had only looked at the crime rate pr. capita you would say fook I am not going to Denmark, and alternatively looking at the other stats. you would say that sound like a great place.

    The resent political unrest here in LOS would if it had been in DK. already now been registered as tens of thousands of individual crimes some on the very serious lists, here in LOS it has till now barely registered compared to its true scale.

    SO WESTERN CIVILISATION ROCKS after all (^post 4.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowspole View Post
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    Absolutely. When we got done I had to go round to the police station and wake the fukers up. Eventually 2 of them turned up and declared that I had done it myself.

    My own investigation work (pawn shops and electric shops) turned fruitful as I found the gf's Sony and Canon cameras. Unfortunately the place where I found them was owned by a Bad Ass Mutha who was also a high ranking copper. I was persuaded to just accept the loss and continue along the peaceful path without making waves.
    Seems to be how the system works here. The criminals are working for / actually are the cops.
    Nice to know that the cops can keep the crime figures down at will though, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin
    Like everywhere in the world...city life is more likely to retain these negative aspects to it's civilization.
    Thats doesnt really explain why 4 of my pals were burgled last year, most of them whilst sleeping and they live out in the sticks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteshiva
    Another point - knowing the ineptitude of the BiB - why even bother reporting a burglary?
    The only reason to call the police is to get thier written report about the incident. Without that report you cant claim on your contents insurance.

    Everybody on here has contents insurance? right?

    If you dont you better get some. As the economy sinks. Farangs will be seeing more uninvited vistors than ever before.
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    I hear of atleast 4 or 5 of the people i know in thailand being broken into and robbed every year. most times, the 'help' is suspected, as the burgulars seem to know exactly when nobody will be home, and exactly where valuables are kept. most times, even if it is reported to police, they are told that "nothing can be done", and that's the end of it....wouldn't even be surprised at all if no records were ever taken..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin
    If you dont you better get some. As the economy sinks. Farangs will be seeing more uninvited vistors than ever before.
    I have been advised, yet again, to get a gun by law-abiding Thai citizens as well as the police. Silly prices though: my mate just bought a 22 Beretta for his wife for 60k. Looks like this one:


    I'd personally prefer something like this:

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    ^ Is that a spud gun?

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    About the same size. I think a spuddy has more recoil though!

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    Looks like a laser range designator.
    A very old one.
    Maybe with some kind of thermal imaging or FLIR attachment.

    You'd have to dig a foxhole for it or mount it on your beast.

    It doesn't shoot anything but a laser beam, but it's good for airstrikes.

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    It's a Milan anti-tank thingy, I think.

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    So it is. I'd hate to carry that around while there are tanks nearby looking to shoot you.

    Should deter burglars in NK. Wonder if it has the optional barking dog sound attachment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin
    Like everywhere in the world...city life is more likely to retain these negative aspects to it's civilization.
    Thats doesnt really explain why 4 of my pals were burgled last year, most of them whilst sleeping and they live out in the sticks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteshiva
    Another point - knowing the ineptitude of the BiB - why even bother reporting a burglary?
    The only reason to call the police is to get thier written report about the incident. Without that report you cant claim on your contents insurance.

    Everybody on here has contents insurance? right?

    If you dont you better get some. As the economy sinks. Farangs will be seeing more uninvited vistors than ever before.
    Despite having invested in an advanced intruder alarm system (all windows and doors, plus motion detectors), smoke detectors in every room, gas detector in the kitchen, external lights that come on automatically every evening illuminating the entire garden, having very little of portable value in the house (a couple of cameras and a laptop - which I usually bring with me when out) plus always having people present in the house when we are away, the insurance companies I contacted were still not able to offer a discount on their standard fire and burglar premium rate.

    Screw insurance - I have decided to take my chances, rather than subsidize all those who do not take precautions......
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