Thread: If evolution is real, why don't dogs have hands?

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by floorpotato

Originally Posted by DrB0b

You know, this kind of ignorance ..... the classic half-educated stance .... You also make the classic mistake of misunderstanding .... and don't seem to realize ......... is a result of ignorance .... combined with an ignorance of .....

I think it's a white guy thing. One thing I find very refreshing about Thais is the way that they remain perfectly civil and emotionally comfortable when they encounter opposing world views.

And that's why they have a screwed up society in which a few wolves have almost total power over 60 million sheep who have been brainwashed into thinking that any form of criticism whatsoever is fundamentally evil. BTW if they're always so civil and calm why do they have the third highest firearms murder rate in the world, next to South Africa and Columbia?

Thais get angry over money and honor, not abstract ideas. I was making a specific point about the Thai acceptance of opposing ideas and generally how much more pleasant they are to be around when discussing ideas. Westerners are simply more judgmental. I've met many people in the USA who feel psychologically raped when you don't agree with their political, religious or scientific views. I never see this from Thais because they just don't care. It's refreshing.

(BTW, is Thai society really as screwed up as you say? If countries were ranked by the emotional health of their citizenry, Thailand compares pretty well to Western countries. I see a lot of anger, fear and stress when I'm back in the USA, even in affluent areas. As far as being exploited sheep, the 2008 GINI index indicates that the family distribution of wealth is more equitable in Thailand than it is in the USA

Thematic world maps: Gini index (distribution of family income) - World Sites Atlas )

In my experience, most Thais (rural, poor) wouldn't know an abstract idea if it smacked them in the face.

อยากกินสัมตํา ~
อยากกินทุกวัน ~

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

just had to remove a couple of tiks from my dogs.

they were clearly delighted.

would be a lot better if they could do it themselves.

i'm assuming tiks aren't a new species, nor are those nasty looking things that leech on whales and whales can't do shit about them either, you'd expect they'd have evolved a bendy neck even if the arms took a few tens of thousand years longer..

i'm starting to lean towards butterflie's alien theory.

Do some research, then come back and tell what you learned (if anything).

Originally Posted by floorpotato

Westerners are simply more judgmental. I've met many people in the USA who feel psychologically raped when you don't agree with their political, religious or scientific views.

couldn't agree more, I have seen that myself many times and always amazed by the insecurity of some people,

Originally Posted by Texpat

In my experience, most Thais (rural, poor) wouldn't know an abstract idea if it smacked them in the face. อยากกินสัมตํา ~ อยากกินทุกวัน ~

If they have nothing to eat this would be considered very abstract thinking.

Originally Posted by floorpotato

I think it's a white guy thing. One thing I find very refreshing about Thais is the way that they remain perfectly civil and emotionally comfortable when they encounter opposing world views.

Really? Like PAD and PPP and UDP are all comfortable with each others world view? Those bombs and shootings are a sign of civility and emotional comfort?

I do beg to differ.

I find that Thais can be as uptight and threatened as any westerner when their world view is challenged. Particularly "educated" Thais (for a given value of "education" of course).

Originally Posted by ItsRobsLife

Didn't you go to school?

In school they told me it took 7 days to create all species on earth,

I find this a bit suspicious though

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by floorpotato

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by floorpotato

Originally Posted by DrB0b

You know, this kind of ignorance ..... the classic half-educated stance .... You also make the classic mistake of misunderstanding .... and don't seem to realize ......... is a result of ignorance .... combined with an ignorance of .....

I think it's a white guy thing. One thing I find very refreshing about Thais is the way that they remain perfectly civil and emotionally comfortable when they encounter opposing world views.

And that's why they have a screwed up society in which a few wolves have almost total power over 60 million sheep who have been brainwashed into thinking that any form of criticism whatsoever is fundamentally evil. BTW if they're always so civil and calm why do they have the third highest firearms murder rate in the world, next to South Africa and Columbia?

Thais get angry over money and honor, not abstract ideas. I was making a specific point about the Thai acceptance of opposing ideas and generally how much more pleasant they are to be around when discussing ideas. Westerners are simply more judgmental. I've met many people in the USA who feel psychologically raped when you don't agree with their political, religious or scientific views. I never see this from Thais because they just don't care. It's refreshing.

(BTW, is Thai society really as screwed up as you say? If countries were ranked by the emotional health of their citizenry, Thailand compares pretty well to Western countries. I see a lot of anger, fear and stress when I'm back in the USA, even in affluent areas. As far as being exploited sheep, the 2008 GINI index indicates that the family distribution of wealth is more equitable in Thailand than it is in the USA

Thematic world maps: Gini index (distribution of family income) - World Sites Atlas )

Do you have any knowledge at all about Thai history and culture?

What do observations about contemporary Thailand have to do with history? If you're going to bless this forum with yet more of your pompous and nasty sarcasm, at least do so in a logical fashion. Regarding Thai culture, we've apparently observed different things.

Originally Posted by floorpotato

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Do you have any knowledge at all about Thai history and culture?

What do observations about contemporary Thailand have to do with history? If you're going to bless this forum with yet more of your pompous and nasty sarcasm, at least do so in a logical fashion. Regarding Thai culture, we've apparently observed different things.

He seemed to be asking you a question FP, not being sarcastic! don't be so sensitive

as for your remarks, you talk about contemporary Thailand, say it has nothing to do with history (!), then bring up culture, which obviously has

Personal observations are a bit biased; we all know what we see is what we want to see

You need controls and a significant sampling to be able to use "observations" as a base for any argument

shouldn't we be talking stats when talking about evolution ?

if the population of a species is too small, how can evolution work without killing everyone in the population with so many possible combination ? it doesn't, hence "evolution" is not "caused" mutation (Darwin or Lamarck) but simply random. Because it's random, the mutation is not evolution per se, but just species "moving" randomly.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

shouldn't we be talking stats when talking about evolution ?

I can, but could you follow it?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

if the population of a species is too small, how can evolution work without killing everyone in the population with so many possible combination ?

Cough. Even you must be aware of extinct species. There are numeous examples. Consider them object lessions in evolutionary "failure" (for the species, not the theory).

Originally Posted by Butterfly

it doesn't, hence "evolution" is not "caused" mutation (Darwin or Lamarck) but simply random. Because it's random, the mutation is not evolution per se, but just species "moving" randomly.

Who ever said evolution CAUSED mutation? Mutations occur randomly. Nature selects the good ones (or more precisely "fit" ones)and eliminates the bad ones (or "unfit). The entire process is termed "evolution".

You might like to go back and read my original post in this thread. Slowly. Or go get a basic primer on evolution. Its not rocket science.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

I can, but could you follow it?

sure, try me

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Nature selects the good ones

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Who ever said evolution CAUSED mutation?

Well the mutations are caused, not evolution per se, evolution is the process of successive linked mutation, all caused by "something". If the mutations are random, and independent, there is no link between the mutations, and there is no "evolution" per se, just random "progress" of a species.

Butterfly. I think you're misunderstanding the meaning of the word evolution, in biology it just means the change in inherited traits over time. You seem to think it means that evolution is some kind of linear process that has some kind of overall plan, it's not and it hasn't. Evolution IS, more or less, "just random "progress" of a species" although I wouldn't use the word progress as such.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by nidhogg

I can, but could you follow it?

sure, try me

Ok. We will start with the Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium equation for a trait with two alleles:

p² + 2pq + q² = 1

Do you agree this can be used to describe a population generation in terms of that trait?

things have come on a long way in 5 years

Chang induced bump tonight?

Nice...

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don't drink beer
fattening

Great thread title. I'll have a read of this later. Cheers.

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best be quick

the murds don't like bumps

on read back, i just noticed that i've evolved to not punctuate

There is lots of bollux in evolution. Richard Dawkins book 'The Greatest Show on Earth' highlights many of the blunders in evolution highlighting that it is a blind force of nature and not magical design.

He missed the example about dogs not having hands but he is not perfect and it is a good book nonetheless!

i wonder what we will be like in a hundred thousand years

the species..not us
we'll be dead
(pb might have got confused)

i think we'll get smaller

we don't need to be bigger

maybe our backs will become stronger...our neck muscles too
all that sitting at computers we need to do


we don't see very well either

we can only cope with the centre of the spectrum

will there be any evolutionary necessity to see in the x ray and gamma spectra?


optimistic

we'll all be gone within the next thousand years