What's up with the Apollo hoax threads?

[Takeovers]

Hi

Does anybody really believe the Apollo moon landings were a hoax?



During the time I have been lurking on this board, you guys have become real people to me, not just virtual. In my world real people don't believe in anything like this.

Can anybody please confirm, that those discussions are only a private joke, that I don't get?

I would have a number of arguments, that the moon landings were real, that have not been brought up here, at least as I am aware of.

[buriramboy]

I personally don't believe man has set foot on the moon or been anywhere near it for that matter, but you'll find plenty of gullible people on the board who just can't accept that they were lied to and deceived by the biggest hoax of the 20th century.

[dirtydog]

Every village has its idiots, as do forums

[Texpat]

Small man syndrome.

[melvbot]

Butterfly seem to think were descendants of aliens, plenty of weirdos on here who believe all sorts of stuff. I believe we did.

[Bobcock]

Teak Door - Giving a Voice to Wackjobs.

[keda]

^1^
Yes, lots of people even here believe that. Can't say I blame them, they'll believe anything if it means they've been lied to.

[Texpat]

A word of caution for any aspiring nations intent on joinng "the Club."

It's boobytrapped beyond imagination. Claymores, toe-poppers, bouncin' Bettys ...the works.

Sea of Tranquility? A deliciously ironic moniker.

Come back (ha!) and tell us how tranquil it was...

[Takeovers]

Here's my first argument.

A few years ago I was still blissfully unaware of the fact, that such a hoax theory exists. One evening I was skipping through the channels on TV and stumbled over some "Documentary" on this issue.

I was taken completely off guard by it. But because spaceflight is of interest for me, I looked it through. Just by applying basic knowledge on the matter I could disprove app. 80% of the arguments against the moonlanding as utter nonsense.

The man preparing the documentary claimed he has spend a lot of time assembling his evidence. So somebody spends much time on it and comes up with at least 80% easily detectable bullshit. To me this is enough proof that he is not seeking the truth but pushing an agenda. Probably this agenda would be making money from distributing his machinations. So why would anybody give him the least bit of credit for the remaining 20%?

I didn't.

[Cujo]

There is a conspiracy theory for just about everything and enough nutjobs to believe them.
Of course as the saying goes, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they AREN'T out to get you, But anyone who believes such a huge con job as a faked moon landing could be kept under wraps for so long needs their head examined.

[Takeovers]

Of course as the saying goes, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they AREN'T out to get you

Agreed in full, sent a green.

Another reason why the moon landing was real.

Decades after the moon landings the Iron Curtain came down. Personal statements of the former Soviet top scientists were made public. Those are the people most likely to recognise a hoax outside NASA.

They told their stories how they celebrated the successful american moonlanding by Apollo 11. Why would they do this decades later to support a hoax, even if the Soviets had an unimaginable reason to support the hoax at that time?

[nidhogg]

Hi

Does anybody really believe the Apollo moon landings were a hoax?

Lets just say that the aluminium hat brigade are fully represented on the board.

[kingwilly]

The man preparing the documentary claimed he has spend a lot of time assembling his evidence. So somebody spends much time on it and comes up with at least 80% easily detectable bullshit. To me this is enough proof that he is not seeking the truth but pushing an agenda. Probably this agenda would be making money from distributing his machinations. So why would anybody give him the least bit of credit for the remaining 20%?

same same people believe the earth is flat, or that the earth is only 6000 years old, that little green men from mars exist, that HIV does not cause AIDS, etc etc.

[nedwalk]

hate to burst your bubble but i,m one of those non believers, time will tell the truth when someone else finally gets there.. just my humble uneducated opinion

[buriramboy]

As i've said numerous times before just think of the technology aspect, no fooker had dishwashers back in 1969 never mind things like microwaves, i mean for fucks sake most people still had black and white tv's and you want to tell me they went to the moon, too funny for words.

[nidhogg]

As i've said numerous times before just think of the technology aspect, no fooker had dishwashers back in 1969 never mind things like microwaves, i mean for fucks sake most people still had black and white tv's and you want to tell me they went to the moon, too funny for words.

Washing machines:
In 1937, William Howard Livens invented a small dishwasher suitable for home. It had all the features of a modern dishwasher, including a front door for loading, a wire rack to hold crockery and a rotating sprayer.[2] Electric drying elements were added in 1940.
Dishwasher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Microwave ovens:
In 1967, Amana, a division of Raytheon, introduced its domestic Radarange microwave oven, marking the beginning of the use of microwave ovens in home kitchens.
Microwave Oven History - Invention of the Microwave Oven


Colour TV:
During its campaign for FCC approval, CBS gave the first demonstrations of color television to the American general public, showing an hour of color programs daily Mondays through Saturdays, beginning January 12, 1950,
Color television - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Takeovers]

time will tell the truth when someone else finally gets there..

Another very good proof will come much earlier than that. The next generation of orbiters will be able to make fotos of the landing sites good enough to recognize the landers and probably even the rovers and smaller scientific installations left on the moon.



My third and best proof of real moon landings.

I observed those flights with much interest at the time. I am a great Science Fiction fan and had seen a number of films. Special effects at the time were quite primitive compared to what we are used to nowadays.
So I looked at the available videos with anticipation how the real thing would differ from special effects. Most interesting was the behaviour of the moondust. Dust in an atmosphere settles slowly. If those moonshots were made with slow motion as claimed by the hoax people, dust would settle even much more slowly. But you can see that dust thrown up by the rovers and the feet of the astronauts settled as fast as the astronauts themselves in their jumps.
You couldn't fake that in a studio or in the desert. All those shots were clearly done in a vacuum.
One would need to build absolutely enormous vacuum chambers only to fake that single effect and every single shot would need to be done in that vacuum chamber. All the filmcrew would need spacesuits too.

This would need to be probably one of the the largest manmade structures on earth and it would need to be massive to withstand the air pressure. Just imagine 1kg/cm², 1000kg/m² for a structure that large and without supporting pillars. I seriously doubt something like that could be built even today, much less hidden from the public. It's definately easier to go to the moon for those shots.

[Takeovers]

You like conspiracy theories?

I give you one of my own.

If anything in the moon missions was fake it might be Apollo 13. The public interes was waning and something needed to be done to revive it. A near catastrophy like the Apollo 13 flight would do the trick nicely.

[November Rain]

Lets just say that the aluminium hat brigade are fully represented on the board.

Yeah, but that's only cos Maddy warned everyone about my mind control experiments.

that HIV does not cause AIDS, etc etc

Eejit! That wasn't it! HIV was spread by mossies - remember? That was a fun thread.

time will tell the truth when someone else finally gets there..

India is on her way, seemingly.

[kingwilly]

Eejit! That wasn't it! HIV was spread by mossies - remember? That was a fun thread.

eejit yourself, that piss take thread was based on a real thread in issues when some AIDS denying dolt DID say something along the lines of mosquitoes spreading AIDS...


*I find it amazing that some people just honestly forget to pay attention to every thread on TD.....Sheeeesh!*

[dirtydog]

Its well known fact that mossies spread hiv, just everyone is keeping it secret at the moment

[November Rain]

Eejit! That wasn't it! HIV was spread by mossies - remember? That was a fun thread.

eejit yourself, that piss take thread was based on a real thread in issues when some AIDS denying dolt DID say something along the lines of mosquitoes spreading AIDS...


*I find it amazing that some people just honestly forget to pay attention to every thread on TD.....Sheeeesh!*

I was talking about the one in Issues. It was Driventowin & he & DD were saying that HIV was spread by mossies & you & I were saying it wasn't. There must have been some other participants, too...

What other thread? I don't remember a piss-take one. The original was enough of a piss-take.

[wandering]

Why does it have to be Either/Or
There is merit in the evidence that man landed on the moon.
There is merit in the evidence that man never landed on the moon and that it was filmed in a studio.
There is truly an astounding amount of evidence for both sides.
If man never went to the moon then eventually the truth would have leaked out.
I believe (and I've never heard anyone else theororize) that both are true.
Yes man landed on the moon but we didn't really have all the necessary technology to simulcast this important moment to the world. To capture the worlds attention it had to be staged like a performance. So.... while men were truly landing on the moon actors were re-enacting what was going on.
For me this explains all of the pertinent issues.
(the shadows, the "wind", the camera angles, the helmet reflections...)

[wandering]

Its well known fact that mossies spread hiv, just everyone is keeping it secret at the moment

In 1985 my neighbor in Bangkok was working with the UN and proved this could happen. She was immediately fired and sent back to Switzerland. They said that she was spreading unnecessary fear.

[Takeovers]

For me this explains all of the pertinent issues. (the shadows, the "wind", the camera angles, the helmet reflections...)

All of these are non issues which can be easily explained by anybody who has taken more than a few fotos and had any thoughts about what he is doing.

As I said all those videos would have to be made in a vacuum which is virtually impossible on earth. Special effects simply were not up to it at the time. They would hardly be now.

The "wind" issue is even more obvious than the others. If you see the coverage it is quite clear that the flag is waving, because the astronaut is turning the pole to get it into the ground. After that it never moves.

The Van Allen Belts are also not an issue. It is well known that electronics are very sensitive to radiation. If those belts were as strong in radiation as claimed there would be no interplanytary exploration. The electronics woud simply be fried on the way out. Even as it is the electronics on those interplanitary probes cannot be built with present day electronics because the more advanced the circuits the more they are susceptible to radiation.

Even Laptops on the ISS fail quite frequently because of radiation. The more important life supporting electronics have to be built at much lower standards to last.

P.S.

This thread comes along quite nicely and helps me building up my vote count.