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    Defamation - The latest Thai Con?

    Frank lives in a small Condo in Jomtien.
    He is the nicest Guy I know.
    Poor chap he has just been through a most unpleasant time.
    Why? Because a Thai Woman who lives in the apartment next to his, accused him of Defaming her!
    She claimed he said she killed her husband, and demanded 1000000bht damages!

    Her new boyfriend backed her up, and the unholy couple went to make a statement at the Cop Shop.
    In this they had to give the exact time and place 'the defamation' occured.
    And that is where they came unstuck!
    Because my friend was actually in Bangkok at the time they gave......hahahaha!

    The Cops put Frank through it. But in the end they decided to believe his insistance that he was innocent of the charge, and after a gruelling, and very worrying few days, he was absolved.

    So beware my fine feathered friends.
    They failed in this particular case. But imagine how hard it would be, to deny you defamed someone, and be believed, in a land where you are so vulnerable to this sort of thing.....

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    Live in Pattaya, expect the worst.

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    Could'nt he do a counter defamation cos they said that he said she killed her husband. Easy to prove the time and place as they said it at the police station.

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    ^Of course they've got no money. That's why they were trying to steal his.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckydog
    She claimed he said she killed her husband
    so did her husband die at the condo ? was he a "jumper" ?

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    A "balcony diver" more likely, you know the type who tie their hands on their back for increased airo-dynamics. She was there to help him.

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    sounds like a to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandomChances View Post
    Could'nt he do a counter defamation cos they said that he said she killed her husband. Easy to prove the time and place as they said it at the police station.
    Damn right, I would have had a go at that, gotta be worth 20 K or so. How about chucking in some kind of attempted extortion charge too?

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    Strange story and there must have been something behind it to have aggravated the situation.

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    Maybe she did kill him.

    note: I said 'Maybe'!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkkmadness
    Maybe she did kill him.
    Maybe, being married to her, he willingly drunk the poison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkkmadness View Post
    Maybe she did kill him.
    Then maybe we should insure him as it is only a matter of time.

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    She certainly tried to maximize the farang profit-potential; perhaps she should start a seminar...

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    As defamation as a 'crime' is essentially the crime of telling a lie, one would have thought that this would leave Thais in the position of wanting to avoid throwing stones from the standpoint of living in a glass house................................

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    Glad the Thais are catching on to this wheeze. We in the UK have a proud history of taking people to court who have told the truth.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Grauniad
    1999: Liar Aitken jailed for 18 months

    Disgraced ex-cabinet minister Jonathan Aitken has been jailed for 18 months after he admitted lying during a failed libel action.

    The former Conservative MP admitted both charges earlier in the year, following the collapse of his libel case against The Guardian newspaper and Granada TV. Passing sentence at the Old Bailey, Mr Justice Scott Baker told Aitken he had woven a "web of deceit" and committed an inexcusable breach of trust.

    From the dock, the former minister blew a kiss to his daughters, who started to cry as the verdict was announced. He was later taken away to begin his sentence at Belmarsh jail near Woolwich, south London. His solicitor said he would not be appealing against the sentence.

    Declared bankrupt
    Aitken dramatically resigned from his post as Chief Secretary to the Treasury in 1995, after The Guardian and Granada TV's World in Action programme reported that a Saudi businessman had paid for a stay at the Paris Ritz hotel - in breach of ministerial rules.

    The MP launched his ill-fated libel action, announcing he had quit to fight what he said was "the cancer of bent and twisted journalism".

    The trial also addressed World in Action allegations that Aitken procured PROSTITUTES and SLAGDOGS for his Arab business clients on their visits to the UK, and that he was aware, as a director of BMARC, that the company had sold guns to Iran in contradiction of a United Nations embargo.

    But it was his insistence that his wife Lolicia had settled the Ritz bill which ultimately brought his downfall, when documents were presented proving she had been in Switzerland, not Paris, over the entire weekend in question. Charges of perjury and conspiracy to pervert the course of justice followed, and in March, unable to pay his legal debts, he had himself declared bankrupt.

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    Defamation suits are old hat in Thaialnd - just look at the Lese majeste nonsense that is brought up anytime someone wants to exact revenge to gain something/anything.

    In a nation of habitual liars one would expect this to be occuring on a daily basis . . . not saying they're good at it . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkkmadness View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RandomChances View Post
    Could'nt he do a counter defamation cos they said that he said she killed her husband. Easy to prove the time and place as they said it at the police station.
    Damn right, I would have had a go at that, gotta be worth 20 K or so. How about chucking in some kind of attempted extortion charge too?
    Good idea.

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    no legals in this thread - so I have moved it to the pub, being Friday night and all

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    If I remember rightly, this was all started by Lee Kuan Yew in Singapore as a way of quashing political rivals. It soon caught on in Malaysia and became a favoured tool of Dr Mahathir and friends and then spread to Thailand. That it has now entered into the civilian field is not really surprising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkkandrew View Post
    As defamation as a 'crime' is essentially the crime of telling a lie, one would have thought that this would leave Thais in the position of wanting to avoid throwing stones from the standpoint of living in a glass house................................
    Not quite right.

    When you are accused of defamation, you have to prove 3 things:

    1) You had no intention to defame (very very difficult to show you didn't intend to defame if the content of your utterance is damaging in ANY way)

    2) You had reason to make the utterance (IE journalist, employer etc.)

    3) The utterance is true

    So, you can be guilty of defamation if any of the above 3 conditions goes against you. IE Even if you told the truth!

    There are civil and criminal defamation laws. The people with power know how to use them.

    To make a civil defamation complaint you must deposit 2.5% of the sum you claim with the court. To make a criminal complaint through the police you need to be a puyai to be taken seriously.
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    Thanks Dave. I will tell Frank those things. Although it seems the Police have
    already made up their minds that he is innocent.

    The effect on his moral is quite awful I am afraid. So much so that he has decided to go back to Spain where he feels safer than here in LOS.....

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    So his next door neighbour wins anyway ....

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    Saw Frank this morning and he told me this......

    The Cops called and told him this cow who accuses him of defaming her has come up with three thais who say they heard him say she killed her husband. So he can do one of two things (a) Go to Court (b) pay 30000bht and they will settle the matter for him......He paid the money.

    A salutary tale.........

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    I am not sure that truth is a defence to defamation in this country.
    Last week I was in Jomtien enjoying a beer when this drunken aussie swaggered upto me and said his wife was going to sue me for 1000,000bht for saying that he and his wife are getting divorced. I never made the statement but he still wants to sue me. Stupid alco!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckydog
    So he can do one of two things (a) Go to Court (b) pay 30000bht and they will settle the matter for him......He paid the money.
    what an idiot, the Thais deserve their share with idiots like these

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