Humph.
Yeah, aside from his conceptual ineptitude at grasping relativity, EN can be a fairly civil poster.
Humph.
Yeah, aside from his conceptual ineptitude at grasping relativity, EN can be a fairly civil poster.
^Yeah, I like him actually.
Come on EN, come to Korat with us. You'll have fun, I promise. I'm just an aging, fat, and slow prat and pose no risk. I am still good looking though....
Nah, sorry but your talking about a subject you obviously have very little knowlege about, plenty of oil boys here will come to your aid if i'm talking shit.
The Thailand Oil & Gas Report 2008 (which i have read) and wich was researched at source last year gives data and forecasts for Thailand to end-2011 covering headline indicators for oil & gas, LNG and also oil & gas exploration and production in Thailand, refining, oil & gas distribution and fuel retailing. At the moment Thailand is producing between 800,000 - 1,000,000bpd and consuming between 1,000,000 - 1,200,000bpd.
Not quite the picture you were trying to paint.
Noodles.
^So we shouldn't expect a rise in gas prices?
I have a serious question about pricing.
In the US, Uk, Japan ... gas in the city is always more expensive than in the country.
The rationale is thus: Salaries are higher, rent is higher, utilities are higher -- gas is higher.
I move to Thailand and the opposite is true. Gas (diesel) is much cheaper in Bangkok than it is in Nong Khai.
Their rationale: it costs more to transport the fuel to the jungle.
How do I always end up getting fucked?
^^Ok, Noodles, I give it up to your superior knowledge of the Oil and Gas industry. Oh, yeah, I guess I should mention I was a global physical oil trader for 15 years, but admittedly this wasn't in Thailand - because there was nothing to trade.
Carry on with your expert analysis.
Thats not the point thats being made and you know it, of course oil prices will continue to rise.Originally Posted by Texpat
Whatever floats your boat, perhaps you should have asked Raymond Learsy for some tips.Originally Posted by chinthee
Noodles, Thailand has relatively insignificant oil reserves and relatively insignificant refining capacity.
Do you dispute this? The net result is that Thailand is a country that depends on external sources for its refined products and natural gas. This means it is at the mercy of other countries (primarily Singapore & Burma) for its energy needs.
Do you dispute this? Really, I'm not being condescending here, just trying to establish the facts.
Butter was 42 baht and it now 75 to 79 bar. Priced it recently.
Everything is relative Chintee, i'm not going to trash Chitowns thread by arguing about it. I dont want to be seen as an 'Ant like poster'.Originally Posted by chinthee
I'm off to see a man about a dog, be back later.
Noodles.
^nicely done for a man of your ... ah ... nationality.
I can imagine the pain.
Chi, I know most US supermarkets don't post their prices, but I'd be interested in a face-off comparison. I'll admit I came to Thailand almost 2 years ago because of the cost-of-living index. The entire advantage of living here has essentially evaporated since my arrival in May 06.
Lemme do some hunting.
Last edited by Texpat; 09-03-2008 at 12:51 AM. Reason: 2 years not one
Tex, I guess you haven't been here long enough to feel the effect of 25% reduction in real value of the exchange rate + the increased costs of living or perhaps inflation rate.
For those of us here 8 years or more, it's costing 30+% more to be here now. I have trouble seeing how new people can make the decision to come here.
*And, this doesn't take into consideration the very temporary and intransigent nature of Thai visas, which are at best only valid for one year.
That does not provide much security for anyone from abroad.
Last edited by chinthee; 09-03-2008 at 12:45 AM.
If it goes to 35 baht to the dollar and butter is 120 baht, I will still be here. My initial thought when I posted the thread was how big the price increase was and then how will the Thais make it.
I imagined the toll road in Chicago being $1.50 on a Friday and coming back and it being raised to $3.35 on Monday. I would think that these huge increase would be ashock to the Thais.
The prices are not going up 3 baht or 5 baht, but doubling in price.
This is from a blog on a San Francisco shopping site:
Jan 29
I stopped by Safeway this afternoon and bought skim milk at $3.99 a gallon. I could have bought two gallons for 6.49. One pound of sweet cream butter was 3.99 for one or two for 7.00 I usually buy both milk and butter at Costco for much lower unit cost but can't quote the exact price since its been a couple of weeks since I went last. I've found Lucky (Kroeger brand) to be very high compared to the other stores in the area like Safeway or Smart and Final.
Jan 29:
whole milk is $ 4.86 today and butter was $3.29 I live in the mountains of Western North Carolina .
Feb 19:
I noticed in the grocery store today, butter was on sale for $2.00 for 1lb packs and milk was 3/5.00 for the 1/2 gallon. Plus you could get chocolate or 1%. The 2% and whole milk 1/2 gallons were on sale for 1.88. I thought these were pretty good prices.
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To be honest, I couldn't tell you what the prices are here. I don't pay attention.
But I know my total is almost double what it was last year.
One thing that keeps my confidence high is that there's no fucking way my neighbors can afford the extravagant prices. Maybe my wife and I can eat their corpses.
Another thought: I'm very happy my house/truck are bought and paid for, because every day, I'm making money --- in a wierd/obtuse/perverted sort of way.
Last edited by Texpat; 09-03-2008 at 01:02 AM.
Going back to butter, it has gone up to 94p (US$2) for Anchor in UK (from 65p a year ago). Will pack some to fly back to BKK tomorrow, as I am not paying B80 for the crap they call butter! If anyone wants some, let me know...
Its about the same price - gone up by way over 50%.Originally Posted by mad_dog
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Last edited by Propagator; 09-03-2008 at 03:46 AM. Reason: Not reading all thread
Yeh, ground level inflation here is startling.
I think it's still a fair deal cheaper than Oz & UK, I presume Merka too.
The economic refugees to Sihanoukville are setting themselves up for a fall, unless they have some inflation hedging business. Within five years, i predict it will be more expensive than Pattaya.
If Pattaya gets casino's, it will follow suit.
Yikes! Almost feeling sorry for you lot in the warm sunshine. Prices in Canada are also higher the past few weeks, as oil and thus shipping prices, never mind those for commodities like wheat and corn, spike up. Fek! (With those hybrid cars sucking up ethanol, we'll be lucky to ever eat corn again.)
The big campaign here is to eat "locally" grown foods. A bit tough to do in the winter.
As noted, put on extra security, rich farang. The Thais will do OK if rice prices remain unchanged. Coastal folks will do more pier fishing and clam digging. Inland folks will set more traps. (Take care of your pets.) Maybe cockroaches will face extinction.
The govt will need to take action if basic local food prices go crazy. (Can't understand the rise in pork, tho -- must be for feed.)
Rice is going up, too, Jettie. The crappy stuff we buy for the dogs is now at 800bt for 50 kilos.Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
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