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    Question for American taxpayers

    I have, uh, neglected to submit a tax return for 2006. I'll be returning to the U.S. in a couple of weeks to file my 2007 return and I was wondering what sort of consequences I should expect. Am I being naive to think that I can still file a 2006 return with maybe a small fine or should I expect a trip through one of the lower levels of Hell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent_Smith
    Am I being naive to think that I can still file a 2006 return with maybe a small fine or should I expect a trip through one of the lower levels of Hell?
    Maybe just the first level. File the return plus any fines for late payment and all will be well with the IRS. They don't want your blood just your money. BTW, if you qualify as living abroad then your filing date is June rather than April. May have some bearing on the amount your late payment will be.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    They'll let you go years with accruing penalties as long as you file yearly. If you don't file, you will be hunted like a dog, and waterboarded.

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    Thanks. That's a relief. I'm certain I don't owe any back taxes (probably due a refund) but was concerned about the procedure. I'll check the IRS website to see what I need to do.

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    Back taxes are no problem. They love to keep compounding interest on your back taxes. What they will prosecute you for is not filing and telling them whassup year by year. They want to know that.

    Other than that, fuk em.

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    It all depends on whether your employer is reporting to the IRS or not.
    If not the only way they have of knowing is if you disclose the income yourself to the IRS.
    You are more likely to get into trouble by filling a return. That put's you on their radar screen.
    There is very little they can do if you simply don't file.
    They will send many rather intimidating letters designed to scare you. Most can be safely ignored.
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    ^That's a good comment Earl, but they can construe that if you don't file, that you have the intention to evade, which is a criminal offense. It's better to file every year or even every 3 years and not pay, but never evade.

    The IRS criminality statutue is all about evading vs. avoiding income taxes.

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    I don't know what the rules are now, but a few years ago, for any amount owed under $10,000, they would just automatically set up a repayment schedule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent_Smith
    I'll check the IRS website to see what I need to do.
    Intelligent choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinthee View Post
    ^That's a good comment Earl, but they can construe that if you don't file, that you have the intention to evade, which is a criminal offense. It's better to file every year or even every 3 years and not pay, but never evade.

    The IRS criminality statutue is all about evading vs. avoiding income taxes.
    As soon as you sign the 1040 you do subject yourself to criminal statutes regarding perjury.

    The requirement to file is a bit of an open question.

    1. There is no statute that makes a person liable or responsible to pay the income tax. Individuals only become liable to pay the income tax when they voluntarily file a tax return, or when the IRS follows its assessment procedures as outlined in the Internal Revenue Code.

    2. If there were a statute which clearly and unequivocally required the filing of tax returns, such a statute would be unconstitutional under the present income tax system to the extent that it would require individuals to give the government information which could be used against them criminally.

    3. The IRS, under our U.S. Constitution, cannot legally require information on 1040 returns from individuals--that is why the IRS continually refers to the income tax as "voluntary."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent_Smith View Post
    I have, uh, neglected to submit a tax return for 2006. I'll be returning to the U.S. in a couple of weeks to file my 2007 return and I was wondering what sort of consequences I should expect. Am I being naive to think that I can still file a 2006 return with maybe a small fine or should I expect a trip through one of the lower levels of Hell?
    I thought my old accountant was filing my 2555 EZ exemption form, which states that I made peanuts overseas, but owed nothing (it was less than $82,000).

    I was later told the moron, just didn't file at all.

    I've haven't filed in about 4-5 years.

    Yes, it's technically against the law, but they won't waste their time auditing you and you won't have legal problems.

    Unless....if you traceable reportable income and assets that are very large.

    No need to worry.
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    well it has been years since the tax revolt, and since I got sober and quit fucking with shit like that.
    But during the 70s/early 80s for 9 years I was in the revolt, never filed for 9 years I think it was, finally after getting sober, I got a CPA and a lawyer, as long as they don't catch you before you file, no matter how many years back, you are cool and once you file then they can just charge you penalties and no slammer time,[non filing is a crime, non paynent is not] but instead of paying anything, principle or penalties, I just kept on working as before, we are never in one place long enough for them to put the arm on you cause before they find you, you have finioshed the job and went to work for someone else,, so after 2 years of filing all the forms, I filed bankruptsy for $287k USD back tax and penalties. even got away with non payment of Oregon, Utah and California state taxes too...

    and they do not even notice for the first 3 years anyway. you're cool.

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    ^Yes, you're right non payment is not the criminal act, non filing is; but only for quite a few years. Anyway, I should know.

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    ^ don't try that shit Earl, I did and they were hot on my ass when I came to and filed,, thats the same things that the revolt was using and it is all wrong,, you must file and you must sign, but paying is only if you have something they can take.. they aint no jail for owing it

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    BG is right!

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    Nice to be British, you can resign from the tax club anytime you want (as long as you don't live here). I told them not to bother me again in 1989.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil
    Nice to be British, you can resign from the tax club anytime you want (as long as you don't live here).
    It is nice. The US tax system does give some relief to living outside the US taxpayers. You are allowed to exempt the first $82,000 of income from tax.

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    ^Yeah, but that is really cheap shit. It can't compare to what EU citizens have, which is complete tax abatement from their time abroad. The US reaches it's fuckin tentackles to eveything you make, earn or own for the rest of your life no matter where on this earth you live.

    That is the price of citizenship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinthee
    The US reaches it's fuckin tentackles to eveything you make, earn or own for the rest of your life no matter where on this earth you live.
    Yep very kee nee ow. Even worse if one is unfortunate to be a Calif resident, you have to pay on your entire income. Even banks in Thailand are required to report interest earned to the US IRS. Fricken tentacles are everywhere. If the US put as much effort into tracking down terrorists as they do for us taxpayers OBL wouldn't have a chance.

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    Worse than that, I keep California residency, and was just assessed tax (I forgot the name) for having the privilege of not living there but keeping a P.O. Box. I think it is like $500.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinthee
    Worse than that, I keep California residency
    My brother has unresidenced himself from CA. Had to file some paperwork but so far no major push back from Sacramento.

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    ^Yeah, I should do that, and on top of that if you can believe it, I got called to jury duty! And I am probably in contempt of court for not having shown up.

    Oh Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinthee
    Oh Christ
    He can't help! The blood suckers would have charged Mary an inheritance tax on the robe. Save your breath.

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    Wonder what they will do to me? Altho I do not have a PO box, I do get mail at a friends house and my bank is calif for my pensions deposits, unlike SSA the union pensions will not deposit outside the USA, so must go to a bank there first, and SSA will not deposit here because the tech to using a electronic transfer number is even harder than plugging in Internet machines and distributing electricity,, so that will never happen here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang
    Wonder what they will do to me?
    Do to you for what? Not filing CA state tax?

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