Thread: Anti-Depressants "Don't Work"

I think most 'depression' is simply boredom coupled with laziness. If someone tops themselves because of boredom, it's not great loss as there's too many people knocking around anyway.

you boys arent depressed --

you are carrierers.

^ That's what I keep telling my family! But they stop listening some time ago...

Originally Posted by DrB0b

People are being sold, and buying, the idea that unlimited happiness is a fundamental right (as long as they have internet access, mobile phones, ipods, dvd players, anti-perspirants, and the right brands of sanitary towel) and if they don't have unlimited happiness there must be something wrong with them. Clinical depression is a real and terrible thing but many people who claim to have depression don't have depression, they're just unhappy. The ability to deal with unhappiness as a normal, temporary, part of life seems to have disappeared in the better-off countries within the last generation or two.

Agreed. It's good to hit bottom every once in a while: reminds you where it is

Originally Posted by Ivor Biggun

The majority of people who commit suicide are not depressed. If you are clinically depressed you're too depressed to even think about it. There are stages to depression.

Well that sure ain't what the head shrinker at the $10k a month detox I was in said, and I do know tried it and was interrrupted by a friend I hadn't seen in over a year.
Drunks and alkies count high on suicides and they are severly depressed, as Ether is a depressant and it is just alcohol with all the water removed.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

I think most 'depression' is simply boredom coupled with laziness. If someone tops themselves because of boredom, it's not great loss as there's too many people knocking around anyway.

And take me for instance.

I am lazy and very happy.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

I think most 'depression' is simply boredom coupled with laziness

You're wrong on that score. I enjoyed my job in the UK and worked 7 days a week, if I could, some days free of charge. I suffered depression after being the victim of an unprovoked assault. The depression MtD is thinking of isn't depression as per the medical term.

Originally Posted by blackgang

Well that sure ain't what the head shrinker at the $10k a month detox I was in said, and I do know tried it and was interrrupted by a friend I hadn't seen in over a year. Drunks and alkies count high on suicides and they are severly depressed, as Ether is a depressant and it is just alcohol with all the water removed.

I agree alcohol is a depressant but doesn't cause clinical depression. It comes from a trauma or psycological shock to the brain causing a Serratonin inballance. Depressants were believed to sort this out. At 10,000 $ I'd tell you what ever you want me to. My treatment was free.

I'm a sad, angry, irritable git and would have it no other way. Fortunately, I'm not wealthy enough to go drinking down the bars every day and live in the jungle.

My goal in life is to make some of you one-tenth the miserable fcuk I am.

I've never taken an antidepressant but am quite interested in depressing ant.

Originally Posted by Texpat

I've never taken an antidepressant

You may well have without knowing it. Exercise is a well known antidepressant. It causes adrenalin rushes which amounts to the same thing. Same goes for sex

I stand corrected, naturally.

Originally Posted by Texpat

I stand corrected, naturally

I wasn't being critical just making a point.

Originally Posted by Ivor Biggun

There are stages to depression

True. Currently, I'm in a mild recession. Things should pick up by Q3 I hope.

Originally Posted by blackgang

Ether is a depressant and it is just alcohol with all the water removed.

Yes it's a depressant but no it's not alcohol with the water removed, you're thinking of ethanol.

Ether and alcohol
Chapter 8. Ether and Alcohol

IVOR SMALLGUN said--I agree alcohol is a depressant but doesn't cause clinical depression. It comes from a trauma or psycological shock to the brain causing a Serratonin inballance. Depressants were believed to sort this out. At 10,000 $ I'd tell you what ever you want me to. My treatment was free.

now don't try to bullshit me with free headshrinking, you are not qualified to really give sound advice about anything, even on an open forum.
Alcohol and Depression

Alcohol and Depression
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About this leaflet
This leaflet is written for:

anyone who feels depressed and suspects they may be drinking too much.
anyone who suspects they may be drinking too much and is feeling depressed.
friends, family or colleagues of anyone who is both depressed and drinking.

It contains some basic facts about alcohol and depression, how to help yourself, how to get further help, and where to find more information.

Alcohol and us
More than 9 out of 10 people in the United Kingdom drink alcohol. It is part of our culture and we feel comfortable with it. Moderate drinking doesn't cause many problems. However, over the last 30 years, society has become wealthier and alcohol has become cheaper. We are starting to drink at a younger age and we are drinking more. More than 1 in 4 men, and about 1 in 7 women are drinking more than is medically safe for them. According to the Department of Health, around 1 in 8 men is physically addicted to alcohol.

How does alcohol affect the brain?
Tolerance
Alcohol is like many other drugs that act on the brain, such as tranquillisers. If we drink it regularly, we find that it has less effect on us. We need to drink more and more to get the effect we want. This is called 'tolerance' and is a powerful part of becoming addicted to alcohol.

Alcohol can also lead to:

Dementia - memory loss, rather like Alzheimer’s dementia.
Psychosis - long- term drinkers can start to hear voices.
Dependence - if you stop drinking, you get withdrawal symptoms such as shaking, nervousness and (sometimes) seeing things that aren't there.
Suicide - 40% of men who try to kill themselves have had a long- standing alcohol problem. - 70% of those who succeed in killing themselves have drunk alcohol before doing so.

What is the connection between depression and alcohol?
We know that there is a connection - self-harm and suicide are much more common in people with alcohol problems. It seems that it can work in two ways.

If we drink too much, too regularly, we are more likely to become depressed.

Regular drinking can leave us tired and depressed. There is evidence that alcohol changes the chemistry of the brain itself and that this increases the risk of depression.

Hangovers create a cycle of waking up feeling ill, anxious, jittery and guilty.

Regular drinking can make life depressing - family arguments, poor work, unreliable memory and sexual problems.

If we drink alcohol to relieve anxiety or depression, we will become more depressed

Alcohol helps us to forget our problems for a while. It can help us to relax and overcome any shyness. It can make talking easier and more fun, whether in the pub, a club or at a party. It is a very effective way of feeling better for a few hours.

If you are depressed and lacking in energy, it can be tempting to use alcohol to help you keep going and cope with life. The problem is that it is easy to slip into drinking regularly, using it like a medication.The benefits soon wear off, the drinking becomes part of a routine, and you have to keep drinking more to get the same effect

[quote=Texpat;552145] I'm a sad, angry, irritable git

I've never taken an antidepressant but am quite interested in depressing
" Ant. "


To late mate, as Aunty has managed to do that all on his own and needs absolutely no help from your good self.

Originally Posted by blackgang

now don't try to bullshit me with free headshrinking, you are not qualified to really give sound advice about anything

Why would I want to bullshit you or anyone come to that ? Sorry to say but you are not qualified to say what qualifications I have. You can plug as many medical articals as you wish but you will always get a differance of opinion even amongst the best. You quote what serves your purpose and that is to disprove what I've said. I'm not going to start quoting quotes to prove you wrong as we'd be here all year. So please accept we have a differance of opinion.

Originally Posted by Ivor Biggun

I'm not going to start quoting quotes to prove you wrong as we'd be here all year. So please accept we have a differance of opinion.

...and that ivor cant support his point of view from the literature.

Originally Posted by Ivor Biggun

Why would I want to bullshit you or anyone come to that ? Sorry to say but you are not qualified to say what qualifications I have.

Nor you me!!

Proven facts, thats all, and I do not know what qualies you have and you do not know what schools I went to and what I got either, but it is the in non exact field of psychology that I got my license, and head shrinking is a damn unexacting field that can not be proved or disproved, all merely guess bullshit at best.

Originally Posted by Ivor Biggun

You can plug as many medical articals as you wish but you will always get a differance of opinion even amongst the best. You quote what serves your purpose and that is to disprove what I've said. I'm not going to start quoting quotes to prove you wrong as we'd be here all year. So please accept we have a differance of opinion.

So take it to the large city's of Europe, The USA, Asia, The arctic circle or the aboriginal bush lands of the Aussie outback, where there is alcohol abuse, there is depression and suicides are rampant and the main causes of early death, if not all death.

It can not be a proven fact as to why, but it god damn sure is a hard fact that it happens and is happening more today than ever before.
And if I see it happening then it seems to be fact to me and how can you disprove a pile of dead body's as not being a fact when they all killed themselves?

Wouldn't hurt to dust up on spelling if you want to write such claiming articles as you have done tho, make your qualifications stand a little higher..

Yes I can support that he has a point of view but so has every one else. Up until the said claim that anti depressants don't work you'd get many people saying they do. Who or what do you believe ? I can only say and write what I know. If BG, or anyone else, wants to disagree then that's fine. This is what forums are about.

Originally Posted by blackgang

qualies

Originally Posted by blackgang

Wouldn't hurt to dust up on spelling

Sorry about spellin mistooks

Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

At least on a placebo you can still reach an orgasm

Not if you think it wont. In some cases.

I suffer occasional bouts of depression but I try not to let it get me down.

Being depressed from time to time is normal; sometimes it's better just to stay in bed with the covers over your head