Thread: How much longer would you like to live? The Entropy enigma

Well well. A PM from Latinwanker. Unsurprisingly a whingefest filled message. One of his "points" is that any mention of my missus is me playing the "victim" card. I suppose that he, the perpetual player of the victim card feels that I am encroaching on his territory. Oh, and he has no "empathy" for me. Given that he has never, ever shown a shred of empathy for anyone on this board, that really went without saying. The number of times he has gloated over others struggles and illness is pretty staggering to be honest.

He further complains that I am always "nasty" to him. This from a poster who almost compulsively calls others fools, moron, stupid, alcoholic, losers and of course "turds".

He also of course takes a big swipe at my current condition - because reveling in others misfortunes is a calling card of his.

He also of course complains of "family comments" directed to him, a drum he has been beating for a long time. As was said (repeatedly) at no time has ANY disrespectful comment been directed at your ex-wife. Indeed, the common opinion was that she was a fucking saint for putting up with your petty whinging, nitpicking and niggardly crap.

How this foolish old man can be some completely blind to his own character that is simply nasty, petty, vindictive, mean and spiteful is beyond me.

Anyway - keep catching those spelling, word use and grammar mistakes in others posts LatinWanker. I am sure it gives you the feeling that your sad, pathetic little life has some purpose.

Originally Posted by Salsa dancer

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Excluding accidents, I should be good for another twenty, maybe thirty years, and I would like that....

Great another 20 to 30 years of you bludging on the dole.

Surely nearly all Thai doctors know of an 'agent' that can get some good goodnight medicine to be prescribed at home if it's viewed as the best option.

Originally Posted by david44

I am thinking
1 Process of reporting death of farang to get probate /POA a local lady married to a Brit I knew had a very long wait and struggle even with an uncontested will, She is in C rai and will contact next visit.
2 Hospice care and costs in LOS
3 Seniors home contact details and tariffs, Mskit mentioned C Mai any others esp C rai , PM if you prefer
4 How to close overseas bank accounts once deceased type of letter/ID etc
5 How to close Thai bank Accounts once dead esp those only in my name for extensions
6 How to close email accounts
7 Is a Thai lawyer necessary , helpful , useful in such situations
8 Right to die in Thai Hospitals, do they eke you out or let you go, my dear old man used to joke about Drs


The reason I ask I want to make life as simple as possible for those I leave behind

I thought of posting my experiences (me playing the "victim" card eh LatinWanker). You definitely should get a (good) lawyer. Drawing up an uncontestable will in Thailand if you are over 60 is a long drawn out process. To be uncontestable, you need a certificate stating you are mentally competent. This alone (an examination by a forensic doctor) cost me 30,000 baht. I figured I could just walk into any hospital and get a quick mental test, and done and dusted. Nope. It HAS to be conducted by a forensic doctor as it is a legal document. Secondly you will need your will in Thai and English (I found a fairly useful template on line, cost me a few baht, so if anyone wants a copy, let me know) so you will need a great language editor to check that the English and Thai versions say the same thing. You will need witnesses when you sign, and (as I just found out) you should be videotaped reading the will (in English). The camera needs to pan around the scene to prove there is/was no coercion out of sight. Your will will only cover assets in Thailand, and you will need a second (or however many more) to cover assets in other jurisdictions.

The extreme difficulty starts if your wife goes first. Then it is a huge mess. Without my boy, we would never have have got a fraction of it done. For example it took FOUR fucking visits to TrueVisions office to get the billing details changed. One dim fucker asked my boy if his mum could come in to verify the process. You need to change/close bank accounts (a fairly drawn out process). We are dealing with multiple insurance agencies (at least four if I remember correctly). Passing peacefully may be one thing, in an accident it is a whole new fucking ball game. We have had to relentlessly harry to police to get things done. Mostly by the lawyer. Compounded by "missing" blood alcohol tests and "missing" CCTV video footage of the accident. We are still trying to bring him to account, but our lawyer is VERY relentless.

My boy has had to visit the upcountry village to secure his inheritance (a fair bit of land and a house). Most of the family are being VERY cagy as to what land my missus owned, so will probably need to bring the lawyer into that one as well. It has opened my boys eyes to the self-serving, greedy nature of most of the family, and he is VERY unimpressed with their lack of straightness and honesty.

The funeral process is a whole other ordeal. One day she was in hospital, the next in the temple. Massive amounts of paperwork needs to be done, that has you trudging round the hospital to get different things (signed death certificate, some supporting documents). You often end up going round in circles. You WILL need help with the funeral. My missus had three very good friends, who basically marched in and took control together with my son. There is always another surprise. You need at least 50 white envelopes with money in them for the monks. Day before cremation we were told to get 300 one baht coins - for some local tradition. A family member stepped up to help with that. You need to provide snacks for the praying days and a late breakfast on the cremation day. It is common to give a small remembrance token to attendees at the cremation, so that had to be organized at short notice. The day after the cremation you have to go back to collect the remains. A very small portion was put in an urn to go upcountry, and we went to a nearby place where the remnants van be laid to rest in a river (organized through a temple). You need to get a big photo for the funeral - that needs to be done. So many things that it is like a train hitting you - and I had a LOT of support.

Sorting out the house and the personal effects was a long struggle. Most of her clothes and other things were bagged up and sent upcountry, so at least they may get some use out of it.

Nearly 5 months later we are still dealing with some of the fallout. We are getting there, but it has been a struggled that pushed me and the boy to the limit. You WILL need support and legal advice if your missus goes first.

^ Nid, regarding what land your boy inherited, you will get more information from the neighbors or your wife’s childhood friends than greedy family. The tessaban can help, too.

Go ahead and get your Thai citizenship started based on your work now. The Thais won’t be giving you any breaks when you retire and you’ll find yourself doing all the same stuff the rest of us foreigners do to stay in the country year to year.

Originally Posted by misskit

Nid, regarding what land your boy inherited, you will get more information from the neighbors or your wife’s childhood friends than greedy family. The tessaban can help, too.

The land office will have copies of the chanotes (title deeds) with her name on them. The physical boundary markers may be missing/grown over/cemented over, and others may have encroached, there may even be fences and dwellings cutting it into different sections. The land office can come out and measure then reestablish the boundaries and put down new official markers. Typically costs a few thousand baht, there may be a backlog of a few months, all neighbours will be informed in writing of the date and time of the boundary reestablishing so they can see it happen.

^ This is true. For some reason I was thinking Nid didn’t have the chanotes, that someone in the family has them.

I know a foreigner whose Thai ex-spouse died. All she had to go through to get her children’s inheritance sorted was a real pain in the ass. It is unbelievable how greedy and conniving relatives were.

It is kinda difficult for the boy as everyone else is MUCH older than him. He has suggested getting the land office in, but the family are VERY against it (no surprise there).

He is struggling with them a lot. He told me that he is tired of dealing with them as they see him as a walking wallet, which, given they are much older than him he finds to be disgusting behavior.

One of the cases we have ongoing is coming (after several years) to a conclusion. There is a hefty settlement apparently which needs to be portioned out, and I (and the lawyer) will need to go up to a bit of weight in the discussions.

I'm revising my target age downwards.

Or maybe

...SD has the codes to all my local bank accounts and ownership of our condos...a family member is co-signer for all US bank accounts and assets...all that I have to do is a little shuffle with the mortal coil: easy peasy...

Originally Posted by nidhogg

He has suggested getting the land office in

This, unfortunately, absolutely needs to happen, regardless of what family/members of the public say or think. There's no suggestion about it.

The land officials and offices are usually quite good. Himself and/or the lawyer need to go there and book an appointment for them to measure and reestablish the land boundaries as per the chanote. It's a very, very common procedure that the land office will fully understand and be well used to doing. It's so common that there will likely be a backlog. Family etc have no say in the matter. Once the boundary has been reestablished as per the chanote by the land officials, I would strongly suggest immediately fencing it off before leaving (I presume he doesn't live in the area)

Originally Posted by Edmond

I would strongly suggest immediately fencing it off before leaving (I presume he doesn't live in the area)

And planting 200 banana trees per rai so it is taxed as agricultural land.

I'd be surprised if its chanote titled rural land.

Originally Posted by malmomike77

I'd be surprised if its chanote titled rural land.

Likely subdivided with no documentation and could not have legally been "sold" or passed on in the first place.

Originally Posted by malmomike77

Likely subdivided with no documentation and could not have legally been "sold" or passed on in the first place.

Fair enough, I was under the impression it had a proper chanote title with a registered building on it, and it was family/locals that had encroached on parts of the land to make farming plots etc for themselves and now want to keep them as is. Either way, it's none of our business and hopefully it will get correctly sorted.

Originally Posted by david44

The reason I ask I want to make life as simple as possible for those I leave behind

That is sweet of you to think ahead of others.
My dad and mom have already paid for their funerals or cremation which is a big help to those you leave behind in a financial sense. Just fyi, I'm not sure if you have thought about that.

I haven't really thought much about my future death, but everyday has to be appreciated and lived because time is so short, I've seen friends and family go over the years, and I mostly hope not be taken out with diabetes, cancer or AD.

Originally Posted by Lostandfound

I had a heart attack in June, whilst in Malaysia. A couple of stents and a balloon now mean 50% more blood flow through my heart and I'm feeling more alive than at any time in the last 5-7 years. But the future now has a horizon. That's what being old means. You realise that things will, in all probability, become progressively worse.

Glad to hear you are doing well and feeling more alive! I heard Malaysian healthcare is super!

Originally Posted by nidhogg

All I can say to LatinWanker is that I lost my missus of 24 years to a drunk driver.

Very sorry for your loss, that is terrible. All the best!

Originally Posted by Edmond

This, unfortunately, absolutely needs to happen, regardless of what family/members of the public say or think. There's no suggestion about it.

The land officials and offices are usually quite good. Himself and/or the lawyer need to go there and book an appointment for them to measure and reestablish the land boundaries as per the chanote. It's a very, very common procedure that the land office will fully understand and be well used to doing. It's so common that there will likely be a backlog. Family etc have no say in the matter. Once the boundary has been reestablished as per the chanote by the land officials, I would strongly suggest immediately fencing it off before leaving (I presume he doesn't live in the area)

btw, this is a very informative post.

Chanotes can be checked on this government website, as long as you have the chanote number, which you will if you have the chanote and/or receipts of land office dealings.

It is the same as google maps, with chanoted land borders superimposed on to it.

https://landsmaps.dol.go.th/

Enter the province, district, and chanote number, and it will give you all the information, as well as it on google maps with the borders in red.

A screenshot example.




It will start with pop up window with giving the exact size of the plot as registered with the land office, the registered value of the land, along with lots of other information.

Without the chanote information inputted, it won't show any of the red borders.

at 74 have outlived everyone on my mothers side
my dad just turned 100

I want 6 more good years and i'll be happy
but at any point in time i can no longer walk along the beach> Check out time

My daughter's ten so probably another 15 years will do me.

Any slow disease will be dealt with via either a high rise or a gun under an overpass.

It's all very well to say that, but it's different when you're older and adverse health events happen.

Originally Posted by armstrong

My daughter's ten so probably another 15 years will do me.

Yeah, early 60s. Kid would have finished uni, spent a few years traveling around the world, finished a PGCE or MA, if you haven't lived your life by the age of 60 you're probably not gonna start then. Unless some company schmuck that was working for da man until then.

Good for you Mao - you'll always be cooler than somebody.


Heeeey!

Originally Posted by Edmond

Yeah, early 60s. Kid would have finished uni, spent a few years traveling around the world, finished a PGCE or MA, if you haven't lived your life by the age of 60 you're probably not gonna start then. Unless some company schmuck that was working for da man until then.

do you think you've lived your life?

You did a bit traveling in your teens/20s, failed at a few jobs, got a wad off Dah and took root in Thailand. Not sure that's doing a lot or seeing much?

Still with that tea and exercise regime you probably have another 50 years to manage your Thai property portfolio