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I remember a couple years ago , ppl would say one day we'd be jailed for shit posting on the internet. And everyone kinda laughed and didn't take it seriously. Yet here we are. I'm glad I got to experience the old internet

31-year-old Billy Thompson was sent to prison for 12 weeks after he replied "Filthy ba**ards" on a post about the Police issuing a dispersal order to try and prevent protests from becoming violent.

It also included emojis of an ethnic minority person and a gun.

His lawyer said Billy had made the comment as part of an online Facebook conversation with a family member.

Originally Posted by hallelujah

SA is the best poster on Teakdoor.

Well that statement would depend on your criteria.

But I do agree Brit humor and US humor will never align.

I find SA to be rather interesting but I consider his age and like so many old folks, they become bitter and grumpy and it shows in his posts.

I suggest watching Green Book, how to overcome rascism for wokies..

Boris Johnson: Keir Starmer is ‘deaf’ to immigration concerns

Former prime minister says Labour leader fails to understand root causes of unrest across UK

Dominic Penna,
Political Correspondent
9 August 2024 • 7:17pm
Boris Johnson was the mayor of London during the 2011 riots
Sir Keir Starmer’s response to the riots shows he is “deaf” to public concerns over immigration, Boris Johnson has said in his first intervention since the unrest.

The former prime minister claimed Sir Keir had failed to understand the root causes of unrest across Britain after the killing of three young girls in Southport last week.

Sir Keir has described the protests as “far-Right thuggery” and insisted all those who took part in rioting would face the “full force of the law”.

In his weekly Daily Mail column, Mr Johnson noted Sir Keir killed off the Rwanda deportation plan, which Mr Johnson drew up on the first day of his premiership.

He also condemned Sir Keir’s decision to close the Bibby Stockholm barge, which housed 400 asylum seekers and was intended to reduce the cost of housing migrants in hotels.

Mr Johnson said: “Whatever you may have intended by all this, you gave the clear impression of a man who has no plan to stop illegal immigration because he simply doesn’t care.

“Nothing excuses the behaviour of the rioters, and they deserve to be banged up.

“But nothing excuses a government that seems deaf to public concerns, and that suggests, moreover, that they actively dislike all members of the public who share those concerns.”


Demonstrations promoted by far-Right groups turned to violence in towns and cities amid false speculation that the man suspected of the Southport stabbings was an asylum seeker.

But citing a poll showing 34 per cent of respondents were sympathetic to peaceful protests about immigration and integration, Mr Johnson asked if this meant more than a third of the UK was “far-Right”.

“It is time to reflect, PM, as you sip on your sundowner, on whether you struck exactly the right note on illegal immigration.”

Mr Johnson was the mayor of London during the 2011 riots, which started in the capital before spreading across the UK.

He initially rejected calls to return from his summer break but eventually announced he was interrupting his family holiday to come back and attempt to take control of the crisis.

No love lost
There was no love lost between Mr Johnson and Sir Keir in the two-year-plus period in which the former was in Downing Street while the latter was leader of the Opposition.

In his column, Mr Johnson repeated his unflattering nickname of “the human bollard” for his rival, a moniker he first coined at one of their Prime Minister’s Questions clashes.

He suggested Sir Keir should proceed with a reported family holiday because his leadership had made “no difference” to the response to the riots other than to make it “marginally worse”.

Mr Johnson was also critical of moves taken by Sir Keir in the first few weeks to undo the legacy of successive Conservative administrations.

He cited the abandonment of plans to reduce the size of the Civil Service by tens of thousands, restrict public sector pay rises and enshrine freedom of speech at universities.

Mr Johnson concluded: “Have some guts, face down your critics, and acquire the perspective that comes with distance and a kilo of retsina. Go now, and don’t come back till you have bucked up your ideas.”

The Telegraph.

racism racism racism, thats all you woke left sponges obsess about. the usual tropes the left love so much. palestine, englands terrible legacy with slavery and colonialism, working families, noticd its not the working class now, that would hint at white racist scum. however. this article hits the nail on the head, many nails in fact. maybe a bit long for you soundbite socialsts, but give it a go.






Sir Tony Sewell: ‘Starmer and Angela Rayner taking the knee was a disaster’

The author of a landmark report into racism says the Prime Minister needs to ‘get a grip’ on the recent riots or risk them being repeated

Gordon Rayner,

Lord Sewell.


If Sir Keir Starmer wants to know why Britain’s worst riots in more than a decade have happened on his watch, he need only pay a visit to Lord Sewell, the man who wrote a landmark report on racial and ethnic disparities in 2021.

Tony Sewell, as he was then, ruffled feathers – particularly on the Left – by concluding that deprivation, rather than ethnicity, was the biggest driver of inequality, and that poor white people in “left behind” towns made up the largest group of disadvantaged people in the country.

Three years on, his report seems uncannily prescient, and Lord Sewell believes that unless Sir Keir confronts the underlying issues that have driven so many people onto the streets in recent days, the appalling scenes that have shamed the country will only be repeated.

Sewell, a big bear of a man, is not afraid to speak his mind, even if what he says is regarded as heresy by many of the Left-wing academics with whom he has spent his career as a teacher and lecturer in Brent, Leeds and Jamaica.

His suggestion in his report that Britain was not institutionally racist earned him a comparison to Joseph Goebbels from one academic, while the Labour MP Clive Lewis tweeted a picture of a Ku Klux Klan member.

He refuses, though, to be cowed, and remains thoroughly robust in his views as we discuss Starmer’s handling of the riots and why they happened in the first place.

“Racism is a reality and it does affect people,” he says, “but people do have legitimate concerns which need to be addressed. And I think that politicians need to be able to disentangle the two [and not] stigmatise whole communities.”

Sir Keir has laid the blame for the civil unrest squarely at the feet of far-Right thugs, but Sewell believes he has boxed himself in by “talking this tough talk” and will now find it difficult to accept publicly that there is more to it than that.

“It comes down to leadership,” he says. “I don’t believe personally that Keir Starmer has shown me anything that is going to be any different.”

While the killings of three girls at a dance class in Southport on July 29 and the online disinformation about the background of the suspect were the spark for the rioting that followed, “a lot of these rumblings were going on well before that”, Sewell says.

In 2020, Sewell was asked by Boris Johnson to be chairman of a Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities in the wake of the Black Lives Matter movement, and with 10 other commissioners, all but one of whom were from ethnic minorities, he produced a 258-page report into the fissures in society.

Driven by data, it reported that “most of the ethnic minorities in Britain, particularly in education, but also in some employment outcomes and in aspects of health, were doing well”, he says.

“The group that was doing the worst was the white group. If you’re an ethnic minority, living in London, your chances in education are much greater than any other group in the country.

“So what we concluded was that, in fact, the biggest driver for disparities was nothing to do with race at all, but geography … all those areas today that you see in riot situations.”

What those areas have in common, he says, is that: “All of those areas have been left behind or neglected and we just pointed that out in the report.

“It’s actually got the answers, or at least part of the analysis, as to why we’re here today.”

He says that Right-wing groups have “manipulated” the situation and that racism is clearly driving many of the rioters, but by failing to deal with “left behind” white communities, politicians have “allowed the fox to come into the chicken coop”.

If you wanted to give a name to that fox, it might be Tommy Robinson, the English Defence League founder accused of helping stoke unrest in the chicken coop of deprived white communities.

If, as he says, there have been “rumblings” for several years, is it just bad luck for Labour that the riots have happened on their watch or is there a direct link to the change of government?

“A lot of people now feel homeless politically,” he says. “They didn’t vote for Labour. They felt let down, Boris Johnson came in as a champion of their cause and then they got let down by him and … they found themselves in his no man’s land. Nobody’s really championing their cause.

“So in a sense, what you’ve got is a situation where people who’ve got nowhere to go politically go to the streets, or get manipulated by these extreme groups.

“What you can’t do in your country is leave your populace disenfranchised, which is really what it is - a sense that nobody is listening to you.”

I ask whether Labour’s decision to drop the Rwanda scheme without having an alternative ready to go might have contributed to the anti-immigration sentiments on display. He says “there is some sense in which that being stopped and no alternative being put is definitely an answer” but is adamant that “if you went to a great school and had good job prospects you wouldn’t take to the streets in this way because you would have had a comfortable existence”.

Born in Brixton and raised in Penge, south London, Sewell experienced plenty of racism as a child in the 1960s and 70s, saying that the police’s behaviour towards young black people was “like The Sweeney times 10”. Some of his contemporaries, he says, have never come to terms with it to this day.

Despite that experience, Sewell has little time for the Black Lives Matter movement, a response to the murder by a white police officer of George Floyd, a black father of five, in Minnesota in 2020.

The Black Lives Matter protests began in the US but soon spread to London in 2020
The Black Lives Matter protests began in the US but soon spread to London in 2020 Credit: Anadolu
He rolls his eyes at the recollection of Starmer and his deputy Angela Rayner taking the knee to show solidarity with the BLM movement the same year.

“Taking the knee, him and Angela Rayner - disaster!” he says. “Both of them were just taking their lead from the US. They’d found this strange cause that was in America and were bringing it to Britain and yet the Sewell Report was telling you that for [disadvantaged] white people the outcomes were poor. Were you taking the knee for them? It was nothing to do with them, so you’ve just alienated half the population, why would you ignore the majority population?”

Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner
'It was nothing to do with them' ... Sewell is disparaging of Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner taking the knee in 2020 in support of Black Lives Matter
He suggests that Sir Keir and Ms Rayner “went along because it was the trendy thing to do, so that for me was the Achilles heel in there.

“I think he regrets that. I think looking back, probably a lot of people are embarrassed by a lot of that stuff that came after BLM.”

He believes that the police response to BLM protests, which resulted in injuries to police officers and the toppling of public statues, is at the root of current accusations from the far- Right of “two tier policing”, in which protests against some causes are allegedly policed more harshly than others. Sir Keir and Sir Mark Rowley, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, have denied such a thing exists.

“I think that what happened after BLM was very strange,” says Sewell. “The police got themselves in a scenario where they didn’t police that in the way they should and almost – they ran with the whole kind of George Floyd thing themselves because they felt it was about police, they were part of the problem, so they were taking the knee as well.

“So the problem started there. Normally what you would do in that situation is crack down, but they allowed people just to let off steam so I think they got themselves in this scenario and I think that that’s where the two-tier has its origins because there is a group of white people coming along and protesting and they’re getting cracked down on, so that’s the problem.”

Sewell is speaking on a Zoom call from Jamaica, where he has just celebrated his 65th birthday. Although he lives with his wife Adele – with whom he has one daughter – in Coulsdon, south London, he has a holiday home on the north coast of Jamaica looking out onto Goldeneye, Ian Fleming’s beloved writing retreat, where the author rattled out his James Bond books while smoking himself to death.

“He is my role model, apart from all the smoking and the womanising!” Sewell grins. “I hope the next Bond is somebody that we can be proud of, and that means getting back to having a traditional Bond, not a woke Bond, because it’s all about the character. There are plenty of others who can do shoot ups and car chases but with Bond, the character is the character.”

After studying English Literature at Essex University and later obtaining a doctorate in education, Sewell forged a career as one of the country’s leading educational consultants, where his work with academy schools brought him to the attention of Boris Johnson, then Mayor of London. Having been chairman of an inquiry into education in the capital for him, he was asked in 2020 to become chairman of the race committee

When Sewell was teaching in Jamaica in the 1980s he decided that while every empire in history – including the British Empire – had been guilty of atrocities, it was also important to acknowledge the positives from Britain’s legacy, such as Jamaica’s legal system, its educational system and its parliament.

“What’s frustrating,” he says, “is that you see in the university sector, you see in parts of the media, this almost sadomasochistic kind of indulgence in saying ‘we are so terrible’, yet the legacies we have left have not been that, it’s not been all negative.

“This whole notion of decolonising everything, which is really just another way of saying just be ashamed of yourself, does not acknowledge the positives.”

He recalls a lecture he did for American students attending a summer school in Oxford, where he taught them about the British roots of so many of their structures and traditions, and says he realised that white British children would have enjoyed it because “they don’t understand their own history, they don’t understand their own culture”.

Instead of having something to be proud of, “they’ve been told, mainly by a London elite, that they’re rubbish and they’re part of this white privilege.

“If they’re living on a council estate in Newcastle they are not really in touch with anything that is privileged but they’re told they are.”

As for his own childhood, Sewell, the eldest of three children, speaks fondly of his church and his Sunday school, which fed into a sense of community, and of his formidable Jamaican mother, “a towering figure, even though she was tiny”, who worked in a factory where she was the only black woman, alongside 20 white men.

“I felt sorry for the 20 white men because woe betide if they missed her birthday or anything,” he laughs.

He saw in the Caribbean community a resilience, a refusal to be defined as victims, and an entrepreneurial spirit that convinced him that an individual’s drive and determination played a far bigger role in their chances of success than their skin colour.

One of those who spoke out in support of the Sewell Report was Kemi Badenoch, who Sewell is now backing for the Tory leadership.


He says she “got it” because she picked up on the need for an “inclusive Britain”, though Sewell prefers the term united Britain.

The way to achieve it, he says, “isn’t just people getting around a tree and singing Kumbaya or feeling good when we’re playing football and suddenly the country is united for a day”.

Instead, as you might expect for an educational consultant, he believes the answer lies in our schools.

If children work and play together in schools – as distinct from doing that side-by-side – they are more likely to grow up living and socialising together, he thinks.

He points out that the most racially integrated schools are private schools, but says that their success can be replicated in state schools if good head teachers are allowed to get on with the job of transforming their schools into centres of excellence.

Hackney in north London is his case study: in 1990 only 14 per cent of children in the borough achieved five or more GCSEs at grades A to C, but the introduction of academies in the early 2000s has lifted the equivalent pass rate to more than 80 per cent in some schools today.

As a result, Hackney has become more prosperous as middle-class parents move into the area because of its now excellent state schools, which is in turn contributing to better racial integration.

“So if you get people coming in and spending money that’s transformative that is levelling up in itself, isn’t it?” he says.

That is a long-term plan, but what would Sewell tell Starmer he needs to do right now to promote harmony?

“Get rid, first of all, of all of the identity politics, all of the nonsense, all of the rhetoric around diversity, exclusion, inclusion, blaming the majority for ills in the past. It’s not actually taking us anywhere. It’s actually making the country disunited.”

Another immediate change should be to pump more resources into academy schools, and he also believes that some “second tier universities” need to close and become skill centres, effectively a return to the polytechnic system.

Bridget Phillipson, the Education Secretary, should have been “straight out of the box” tackling issues of inequality of education, but instead, Sewell says, Labour is obsessing about diversity, equity and inclusion.

Sewell now runs a charity called Generating Genius, which encourages and helps children to study science, technology, engineering and maths (STEM) subjects at university.

It began as a programme for black children in London but has now spread to the whole country and all ethnicities.

Last week, he says, a group of children from Newcastle came to the House of Lords for a dinner he had organised, and some of their teachers were close to tears because, they said, “nobody gives us anything from London”.

It sounds as though Labour needs to adopt the Tories’ policy of levelling up, I suggest, and he agrees, though he insists it must focus on education rather than housing or transport.

He says he would be happy to help Sir Keir, and would tell him “he has to now get a grip”.

“But getting a grip does not mean just dealing with the policing issues,” he adds. “You know, we need to see a Prime Minister who says, ‘OK, I get it now. I’m in charge of the whole country’.”

its subscription only. The Daily Telegraph.

Sir Tony Sewell: 'Starmer and Angela Rayner taking the knee was a disaster'

If two-tier policing is a ‘myth’, explain this.

Over the past few days, liberal media outlets have been sternly informing their readers that two-tier policing is nothing but a “myth”. Unless those readers have memories like goldfish, however, I fear that the outlets’ efforts may be in vain. Because most people, I suspect, still remember the following story.

Around 18 months ago, in Wakefield, West Yorkshire, an autistic 14-year-old boy and some friends at school accidentally caused very slight damage to a copy of the Koran. Amid the furious ensuing uproar, police found that no crime had been committed – but recorded it as a “hate incident”. Then, at a hastily convened meeting at the local mosque – where the autistic boy’s mother begged for forgiveness – a police inspector offered the imam “really, really deep-hearted thanks from me” for “the tolerance and understanding shown”.

Such gratitude was wonderfully touching. But the fact is, the autistic child had received death threats.

Let’s imagine, just for a moment, that an autistic child were accidentally to cause very slight damage to a copy of the Bible. How do we think the police would respond? Would they take the same, cringingly placatory approach? Or would they tell anyone who complained to stop wasting police time?

Given how improbable it is that anyone actually would complain, I suppose we’ll never know. We’ll just have to keep our ideas to ourselves.

the telegraph.

Originally Posted by Troy

According to government figures, 59% were male and 62% of asylum cases were approved.

Doesn't quite fit with the shit Farage spews out on YT ...

here you go, some reading for you

People crossing the English Channel in small boats - Migration Observatory - The Migration Observatory

Originally Posted by malmomike77

here you go, some reading for you

From your link..

Nationals of five countries – Iran, Albania, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria – made up two thirds of those crossing in small boats since 2018

Those from Afghanistan and Syria should be considered refugees with all the privileges that entails.

93% of people arriving in small boats from 2018 to March 2024 claimed asylum; of those who had received a decision by 31 March 2024, around three quarters were successful.

So, even higher percentage amongst the small boat brigade.

Another question. Why does it take 39 weeks on average to process an asylum seeker?

Well, the heralded impending five year jail sentences seem to have quelled the underclasses’ ardour which together with the silly moderation here has killed the thread.

Gosh Tax, what will all those white working class dads fretting about immigration do on their weekends now?

You silly arse.

Still going on and on and on........

Originally Posted by Troy

Nationals of five countries – Iran, Albania, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria – made up two thirds of those crossing in small boats since 2018

Those from Afghanistan and Syria should be considered refugees with all the privileges that entails.

And...why not from Iraq or Iran ?

Just curious

And why "those from Syria and Afghanistan" ? Guess you mean "all of them"

Originally Posted by Troy

Another question. Why does it take 39 weeks on average to process an asylum seeker?

Because they have false papers or that they dumped their passport in the channel ?

Originally Posted by helge

Because they have false papers or that they dumped their passport in the channel ?

Because Sympl Servants have to be seen to do their job before they rubber stamp the lies these blow ins tell them

Originally Posted by Troy

Why does it take 39 weeks on average to process an asylum seeker?

Not enough staff to process them.

Worth a watch, Jim Davidson keeps it real...

Originally Posted by Troy

That's a separate issue to accommodating during the processing.

I don't know the exact figures for each country. A quick google search showed 12,000 failed asylum seekers were deported from Germany with 200k+ failed seekers in the queue. However, Germany has taken in a lot more immigrants and refugees than the UK.

Kier Starmer appears to have the same general idea that I commented on some years ago, to provide investment in African countries in order to stop economic immigration at source. I'm not sure how that investment will be put to use and I think it was you, helge that pointed out the similarities of this with 'colonialism'.

This appears to be the new policy regarding migrant housing

Originally Posted by Joe 90

Worth a watch, Jim Davidson keeps it real...

No...and no.

Christ Chitty...you seem to be getting dumber by the day.

Oh Tommy Tommy!!

What happened in those two weeks in between voting for Keir Starmer and deciding he was Satan on earth?

You were watching this dumb shit, obviously.

^^ If that is a luxury estate, then you guys have low standards. That’s some pretty basic housing.

Originally Posted by misskit

If that is a luxury estate, then you guys have low standards. That’s some pretty basic housing.

Yeah but not bad for someone supposedly having Fcuk all. Go back when it's finished.

Originally Posted by misskit

^^ If that is a luxury estate, then you guys have low standards. That’s some pretty basic housing.

Take a look at the lo-iq bigots promulgating such crap here.

It should tell you all you need to know.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Go back when it's finished.

It's basic accommodation, and obviously makes more sense than hotels, both financially and in terms of security.

MissK, if bleep and booster here were asked for preferable solutions, and answered honestly and in detail, then you would be appalled and also struck by how impractical they would be.

But they will never do that of course.

Chitty in particular is just the transport for the words of others anyway. What idiot ever thought he was mod material?

Didn’t mean to enter the argument really. I just thought of how there is a lot of housing like this going up in the US because of the lack of lower end housing these days.

And, Prag, I guess it would be luxury if the other option is a tent.