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    Diet supplements do you use? Can they ameliorate Alzheimer's etc

    As Moses said keep taking the tablets but is it necessary if you have a healthy balanced diet?

    If they could delay for example Alzheimers would be worth considering ?

    I had nearly normal brain function before discovering TD !

    http://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/24/health/multivitamins-memory-study-wellness/index.html

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    Taking a daily multivitamin might be associated with improved brain function in older adults, a new study says, and the benefit appears to be greater for those with a history of cardiovascular disease.
    The findings did not surprise the researchers – rather, they were shocked, said Laura Baker, an author of the study and professor of gerontology and geriatric medicine at Wake Forest University in North Carolina.
    “I have to use the word ‘shocked,’ ” Baker said.

    The researchers – from the Wake Forest University School of Medicine, in collaboration with Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston – analyzed cognitive function in older adults who were assigned to take either a cocoa extract supplement containing flavonoids, a multivitamin or a placebo every day for three years. No one, not even the researchers, knew who was assigned to which daily routine until the results were revealed.




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    “We really believed that the cocoa extract was going to have some benefits for cognition based on prior reports of cardiovascular benefit. So we’re waiting for that big reveal in our data analysis – and it was not cocoa extract that benefited cognition but rather the multivitamin,” Baker said. “We are excited because our findings have uncovered a new avenue for investigation – for a simple, accessible, safe, inexpensive intervention that could have the potential to provide a layer of protection against cognitive decline.”
    But she added that she and her team are not ready to recommend that older adults immediately add a daily multivitamin to their routine based on these results alone.


    The findings, published Wednesday in Alzheimer’s & Dementia: The Journal of the Alzheimer’s Association, are not definitive and cannot be generalized to the public. More research is needed to confirm them.
    “It’s too soon to make these recommendations,” Baker said. “I feel like we need to do this in one other study.”
    Finding connections in brain health

    The new study included 2,262 people, 65 and older, who were enrolled between August 2016 and August 2017 and followed for three years. The participants completed tests over the phone annually to evaluate their cognitive function. They were scored on recalling stories, showing verbal fluency and ordering digits, among other tests.
    The researchers analyzed function, based on test scores, among those who took cocoa extract daily compared with a placebo, and among those who took the daily multivitamin compared with a placebo.
    The researchers found that three years of taking the multivitamin appeared to have slowed cognitive aging by 1.8 years, or 60%, compared with the placebo. Daily cocoa extract supplementation for three years did not affect cognitive function, the researchers wrote.





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    The study – supported by the National Institute on Aging of the National Institutes of Health – also found that multivitamins were most beneficial for older adults who had a history of cardiovascular disease.
    “It’s well-known that those with cardiovascular risk factors could have lower levels in their blood of vitamins and minerals. So supplementing those vitamins and minerals could improve cardiovascular health and, by virtue of that, improve cognitive health – and we know that there’s a strong connection between cardiovascular health and brain health,” said Dr. Keith Vossel, a professor of neurology and director of the Mary S. Easton Center for Alzheimer’s Research and Care at the University of California, Los Angeles.
    Thanks to that connection between cardiovascular and brain health, taking steps to prevent cardiovascular disease or other chronic diseases – such as maintaining a healthy diet and exercise – can benefit the brain too, said Vossel, who was not involved in the new study.
    “If we can really eliminate or really prevent chronic diseases, we could prevent dementias,” he said. “Roughly up to 40% of dementia could be prevented with just better preventative measures throughout life’s span.”





    Cognitive decline linked to ultraprocessed food, study finds

    The specific factors driving this link between a multivitamin and cognitive function are unclear and require more research, but Baker and her team think the findings might be connected to the way multivitamins can benefit people who might be lacking in micronutrients such as vitamin C, vitamin E, magnesium or zinc.
    “With aging, the situation can get worse. A lot of our older adults do not have adequate nutrition for a number of reasons,” Baker said.
    “As we get older, we are more likely to have medical conditions that can compromise micronutrient sufficiency,” she said. “The medications that we take for these conditions can also affect micronutrient sufficiency by interfering with the body’s ability to absorb these essential nutrients from the diet.”
    ‘We’ve been down this road a little before’

    Other studies have had mixed results in the association between certain vitamins and supplements and dementia risk, Vossel warned.




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    “We’ve been down this road a little before with vitamins and dementia research. For many years, dementia specialists were recommending vitamin E based on some early promising results with vitamin E and cognition, and especially those with Alzheimer’s disease. But then, the results have been mixed since then,” Vossel said.
    Older adults should talk to their primary care physician before starting a vitamin or supplement routine, he added.
    “Supplementing is usually safe, but it needs to be monitored carefully, especially for those who have memory loss, because overdosing with vitamins can be very dangerous,” Vossel said. “Even with vitamin E overdosing or taking high levels of vitamin E can increase the risk of bleeding. So these are just some considerations.”
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    Overall, the new study’s findings are encouraging, said Heather Snyder, vice president of medical and scientific relations at the Alzheimer’s Association.
    “There’s certainly follow-up work that we need to see happen – particularly independent confirmation in studies that are in larger and more diverse populations – but this is encouraging,” she said. “There is more research that needs to be done to understand what it might be in the multivitamin that may have a benefit.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by david44 View Post

    Taking a daily multivitamin might be associated with improved brain function in older adults, a new study says,

    The findings did not surprise the researchers – rather, they were shocked, said Laura Baker, an author of the study and professor of gerontology and geriatric medicine at Wake Forest University in North Carolina.
    “I have to use the word ‘shocked,’ ” Baker said.
    I am surprised... no, shocked. I am shocked that they were shocked. Cocoa vs an adequate supply of micro-nutrients? I'd take the micro-nutrients every time.

    Next time, don't bother with the research, just ask me.

    Or Hal. Hal knows.

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    Before I moved back to Thailand I usually had at least one eclair a day. Sometimes a baklava. Various multi flavored tarts were also an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper View Post
    multi flavored tarts were also an option.
    A common reason to move to Pattaya I believe.

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    There’s no such this as an effort free diet pill. You have to smoke or snort or inject the effort free options.

    Meth definitely works, not so good for your, well, anything except your diet plan.

    You could probably work 2 jobs. Day shift and night shift. Burgling.
    Lang may yer lum reek...

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    Quote Originally Posted by david44 View Post
    A common reason to move to Pattaya I believe.
    Oh man you know it! You gotta try Le Cremerie dude! Run by some commie Belgian dude but it’s da bomb!

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    Plenty of berrys and nuts in your regular diet as well as mental stimulation and lots of exercise.

    However, I believe Alzheimer's is hereditary and skips a generation.

    That's me fvvked then.

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    ^Oh really?

    Alzheimer's has been called the new diabetes. So, I agree that eating ultra processed foods leads to cognitive decline.
    I wouldn't wish Alzheimer's on my worst enemy. My aunt had it and it was so terribly sad to see her decline to where she didn't recognize her husband in the end. He had to place her in a nursing home even though he took care of her for many years.

    I take a multi-vitamin and B12 (as a vegan need to).

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    Is it a couple of weeks you've been 'vegan' now?

    And you've only mentioned it (mostly off topic) about 30 times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarilynMonroe View Post
    I take a multi-vitamin and B12 (as a vegan need to).
    I took a one a day old man’s over 50 formula multivitamin daily for probably the last 10 years before returning to Thailand last year.

    Not gonna waste a single satang on that bollocks anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe 90 View Post

    However, I believe Alzheimer's is hereditary and skips a generation.
    No. The vast majority of Alzheimer's is not associated with a clear hereditary transmission.

    There are a small number of true hereditary cases, and if inherited you will be drooling into your blanket in your 30s.

    There are also a few "predisposing traits" that can be inherited, but their final impact is still not completely known.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    No. The vast majority of Alzheimer's is not associated with a clear hereditary transmission.

    There are a small number of true hereditary cases, and if inherited you will be drooling into your blanket in your 30s.

    There are also a few "predisposing traits" that can be inherited, but their final impact is still not completely known.
    Cheers, that's reassuring to know.

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    Alzheimer's has become more of thing because we are living longer - there ain't a whole lot to be done about it aside from diet where vascular dementia is concerned

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    Alzheimer's has become more of thing because we are living longer
    I am not convinced that's the only reason. My paternal grandparents and one uncle got into their eighties just fine and none of the older folk I remember showed any signs. Now, however, it seems to be booming. A bit like peanut allergies, none of the hundreds of schoolchildren in my years at school had it, now it seems to be everywhere. I have a new granddaughter and my son started telling me she is something intolerant. I'm sure she's fine.
    For myself, I definitely notice a few synapses failing to connect, especially when I cannot remember names of people or plants. I am self-medicating with gin. Lots of helpful botanicals in gin.

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    Ok it's 5G

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    eat a broad and balanced diet, exercise your body and exercise your mind - regularly and keep challenging yourself.
    Use it or lose it.

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