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    Groat Britain

    Seems tough times ahead, anti theft tags on 60 baht milk !!

    Security tags spotted on milk in branch of Tesco

    Milk is almost 50% more expensive today than it was a year ago

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    A food bank is a charity pantry in the 6th richest economy, the 21st century soup kitchen.

    UK food banks at breaking point urge Liz Truss to boost aid to poorest

    As cost of living crisis bites, 3,000 volunteers across several organisations sign letter of warning to the prime minister



    Thousands of food bank volunteers will warn
    Liz Truss on Monday that they are having to ration provisions, as their services have become “overstretched and exhausted” because of an influx of people needing their help.

    In a sign of a continuing cost of living crisis that was building even before the economic crisis that followed
    the government’s mini-budget, a letter signed by more than 3,000 food bank workers will be delivered to Downing Street.

    It includes a warning that those who used to donate to food banks are now seeking their help, while some services are facing “breaking point” even as they are braced for increasing demand in the coming months.
    “People who were already unable to afford food are being hit the hardest by relentless rises in energy, food and travel costs,” states the letter compiled by the
    Trussell Trust, Feeding Britain and the Independent Food Aid Network (Ifan).
    “Every day we meet people who are skipping meals so they can feed their children and turning off their cooker or fridge so they can cover other essential costs. People who used to donate to food banks are now needing to seek our support. And the next 12 months look bleaker still.
    “Many of our teams are struggling to cope as demand for our support outstrips our food and financial donations and we are forced to make difficult decisions about how we operate. We are overstretched and exhausted. Many of our organisations are at breaking point.”


    Food bank near Truss and Kwarteng’s homes says locals need ‘torrent’ of help


    They cite the decision to cut universal credit in October last year as one of the drivers of increasing need, with the country now entering a period of even higher inflation. They state that demand has now reached “unprecedented levels”.
    The letter tells Truss: “We call on you to take urgent action to end the need for charitable food aid by ensuring everyone has enough income, from work and social security, to buy the essentials.”
    It comes amid new evidence of the increasingly perilous state of some food banks as demand increases. More than nine in 10 outlets have seen demand rise further since July 2022, according to an Ifan survey. Supply issues mean that almost a quarter have reduced the size of their food parcels.
    As winter approaches, half of the organisations that responded to the survey said they may not be able to support everyone who needs help, or may have to reduce the size of their parcels to meet increasing demand.
    Many food banks are now struggling to source adequate supplies and have seen significant falls in food and financial donations, with many dipping into their reserves. Volunteers also reported needing to take on more paid work or being unable to run their cars for food deliveries.
    Charlotte White, from
    Earlsfield Foodbank, said: “Every week the numbers go up, the queue starts earlier in the morning and the phone never stops ringing with new referrals. And it’s getting harder to service the rising number of guests. Donations are down. We must work so much harder to get the level needed now for our weekly number
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    A baby banks is not for sperm donors

    UK baby banks - Little Village

    UK baby banks

    Did you know that there are more than 200 baby banks across the UK? If you’d like to support a baby bank local to you, check out this interactive map to see who’s where.
    This map may not include all baby banks. If you would like your baby bank to be added to the map, please contact hello@littlevillagehq.org.
    If you are struggling to look at the map on your phone, try rotating your phone to landscape.



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    The governments and NGOs want you to stop spreading this information. It is such a useful tool to blame for current shortages, especially those who wish to maintain their Sky TV subscription, while blogging scoff meant for genuine hardship cases.
    Since the recession is now global, the price of energy, (Oil and Gas) has fallen due to suppressed demand. Inflation is now declining because families with two cars can no longer afford to put fuel in both of them.

    Money lenders closed most of their ‘special’ deals after Truss buggered the financial statement. Knee jerk capitalists, who have benefitted from low borrowing rates for decades, now slam the doors shut.

    Im sure that the Putin fed misadventure in Ukraine has increased costs on a global scale, but not everything can be blamed on war. Much of it is fueled by greed among the usual suspects.

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    And meanwhile, industrial action has been scaling up to a large extent. Another Winter of Discontent looming? The UK has totally lost it's way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    And meanwhile, industrial action has been scaling up to a large extent. Another Winter of Discontent looming? The UK has totally lost it's way.
    Maybe it’s my age, or perhaps just old fashioned naivety, but the major functions of public services should not really be on strike during national financial hardship. (The causes of such privation can be discussed separately).
    I have some sympathy with the nurses, but not so much with train drivers and Royal Mail staff.

    Of course baggage handlers at airports will be determined to make passengers suffer over the holiday period.That said, anyone sufficiently cashed up to afford a winter break in the sun, deserves a little discomfort and inconvenience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Maybe it’s my age, or perhaps just old fashioned naivety, but the major functions of public services should not really be on strike during national financial hardship. (The causes of such privation can be discussed separately)
    Or perhaps management should not be taking advantage of the "national financial hardship " to run roughshod over labor.
    Why is it always labor that pays the price of management's poor decision making?

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    Only goods with a value of more than £10 have a security strip or tag on them according to my mate "arfincher Stu" down at the blind beggar public house of illrepute.

    Most just pretend to tap their contact less card at the self service till and wander out all innocent..like...

    The young ill trained staff can not cope with the unprecedented amount of shirt lifters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    Or perhaps management should not be taking advantage of the "national financial hardship " to run roughshod over labor.
    Why is it always labor that pays the price of management's poor decision making?
    There's such a labor shortage here that staff turnover is massive and workers are being paid more and more and more . . . hello inflation!

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    There's such a labor shortage here that staff turnover is massive and workers are being paid more and more and more . . . hello inflation!
    I said "perhaps" because I really don't know the particulars of this situation and it is possible that labor is at fault , though income inequality seems to indicate otherwise. I has been my experience that whenever things in the economy go tits up, those who have benefited the least are asked to contribute the most for a recovery.
    The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up.

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    ^^^
    So I read up a bit on the subject and it seems that they are offered a raise of 4-5% where inflation is at 7% in essence a income cut of 2-3%.
    Perhaps Nigel Farage could find the funds for a COLA from all the profits Brexit has generated.

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    Double post

    Have a nice Christmas and all that
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    Kids worse of than parents are disappointed.

    They take not just central heating and indoor toilets as normanl, they expect folks to fund wifi, sat tv netflix only when paying bills they work for rent food , taxes do they come to the sharp end.

    A generation ago any single worker could rent and any couple could buy this is almost impossible without the bank of mum and dad for teh deposit in the Anglosphere.

    Living with mum and dad in your childhood bedroom is ok saving for a deposit .
    However once a couple and possibly wishing to start or already having a family space becomes a premium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    a raise of 4-5%
    Of which you pay income tax

    Then you use the remaining percentage on consumer goods and pay some VAT there.

    These statistics are all made by our governments and as usual lies and fucking lies.


    You are right on, BB

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    Even a brief search reveals that a registered nurse can expect a salary of GBP 35k pa, while a train drivers salary is currently an average of 69 k pa.

    Different jobs and different salaries yes, but both jobs require a level of responsibility for customers lives.

    The NHS pay is largely determined by a pay review body, with the current offer agreed by government.
    Train driver pay is negotiated by what you might understand as a fairly aggressive trade Union.

    Im sure that the RCN as the equivalent of the RMT, could negotiate a bigger rise and improved terms and conditions for nurses, if they bacame as querulous and argumentative as the RMT.

    With postal workers aglready committed to industrial action, it only remains for the baggage handlsers to time their usual disruption to Christmas and new year travel plans!

    What are these people thinking? Jetting off to winter sun holidays, leaving the poor to deal with the energy crisis.

    Its a pretty selfish and entitled world we live in. As I said in another thread, my expectations of the British population are based on my increasing age, experience and naiivety.

    e.g. My brother was an NCB apprentice when the NUM last tried to hold the country to ransom. The effects of that strike are still felt strongly by both sides today.

    When is enough enough? Are we destined to continuously re-invent three wheel? I am also culpable, because it would be possible to subsist in the UK today, I prefer to accept the minor challenges of life in the tropics.

    Not to worry, it will al be over soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Of which you pay income tax

    Then you use the remaining percentage on consumer goods and pay some VAT there.
    The last estimate I saw was that overall 44% of household income in the UK is returned to the government through taxation. Which trails some Scandinavian countries where over 50% goes back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    Perhaps Nigel Farage could find the funds for a COLA from all the profits Brexit has generated.
    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    So I read up a bit on the subject and it seems that they are offered a raise of 4-5% where inflation is at 7% in essence a income cut of 2-3%.
    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Of which you pay income tax

    Then you use the remaining percentage on consumer goods and pay some VAT there.

    These statistics are all made by our governments and as usual lies and fucking lies.


    You are right on, BB

    That's very true . . . salary increases don't keep up with inflation and negotiations can't keep up with either. Here in NZ the Federal Reserve raised basis points by .75 in one hit for the third consecutive time . . . Jacinda just basically renewed the Fed's Head for another three years, I believe, despite him being useless.


    Income ot keeping up with income, add taxes on everything - mess. One of the worst issues here is that housing prices coincided with record low interest rates so many stretched themselves with interest rates 1,2,3% . . . and now it's 6-7+. These poor people are fucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    The last estimate I saw was that overall 44% of household income in the UK is returned to the government through taxation. Which trails some Scandinavian countries where over 50% goes back.
    Yep

    Don't know the exact numbers. We also have a bit of a "deduction jungle" so......

    You report your income and deductions on the computer and it is "trust based" with very little control.

    It's a free for all buffet.


    The company owners do ofcourse have a head start here.

    But they are 'trusted' also


    Some foreign workers haven't got the morals for this system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    One of the worst issues here is that housing prices coincided with record low interest rates so many stretched themselves with interest rates 1,2,3% . . . and now it's 6-7+. These poor people are fucked.
    Rising interest=falling house price=insolvency.

    Better not move then. Divorce a no no or you'll get away with unwanted debt.

    Yes...'Fucked' is a good describtion

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    The issue the Govt and employers have is consolidated pay rises set again a backdrop of a "temporary" inflation blip. Inflation is forecast to fall over the next two years. Paying a consolidated rise bakes inflation in when its set to fall. Employers should be offering non-consolidated rises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    These poor people are fucked.
    yet still safer than citizens of poorer pools of UK.

    Do you have rough sleepers and food banks under the long white shroud?

    It;s splendid nationa sa sheep lover if it weren't for you and Ant and the ruggabugga culture, the tattooes I'd move there

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    The issue the Govt and employers have is consolidated pay rises set again a backdrop of a "temporary" inflation blip. Inflation is forecast to fall over the next two years. Paying a consolidated rise bakes inflation in when its set to fall. Employers should be offering non-consolidated rises.
    The inflation rate might decrease but there won't be deflation .Once prices go up they rarely come down. Some prices might come down on some items but the overall cost of living has historical increase year after year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    The inflation rate might decrease but there won't be deflation
    actually you are wrong, the prices of commodities/services can fall, oil, gas and shipping etc. Pay however will generally not fall and so consolidated rises will blunt the impact of any fall in costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    Employers should be offering non-consolidated rises.
    Isn't a non-consolidated rise just the same as a one payment bonus?

    Or are there other ways?

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    actually you are wrong, the prices of commodities/services can fall, oil, gas and shipping etc. Pay however will generally not fall and so consolidated rises will blunt the impact of any fall in costs.
    I believe I also said the same thing when I said "Some prices might come down on some items but the overall cost of living has historical increase year after year."
    inflation and Inflation rate , are two different things. One is the increase in the " basket of goods" cost and the other is the rate by which that increase occurs. So unless there is deflation on the cost of the bread basket .(I believe the last Deflation in the UK was in the 1930s) , I believe the increase will remain, it just might not grow as much.
    At least that's my understanding.
    So IMO the solution is easy, if the inflation rate goes down, future pay raises also go down accordingly.

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