Thread: Collector Culture - it ain't about meeting other collectors - nor stamps or models

A few posters here, Loops and Dill spring to mind with their obvious voyeuristic font won't mind, well as long as they've had a chance to warm the chap up but apparently its a thing. See below to ensure you don't come unstuck when the phrase gets used.

what is it?

The swapping, collating and posting of nude images of women without their consent is on the rise. But unlike revenge porn, it is not a crime. Now survivors are demanding a change in the law

Its predominantly women as there are 40 times more female nudes circulated than male nudes, as it should be, but it affect men too.


‘I have moments of shame I can’t control’: the lives ruined by explicit ‘collector culture’

Ruby will never forget the first time she clicked on the database AnonIB. It is a so-called “revenge porn” site and in January 2020, a friend had texted her for help. Ruby is a secondary school teacher, used to supporting teenagers, and her friend turned to her for advice when she discovered her images were on the site.


“She didn’t send the thread that she was on,” says Ruby, 29. “She was embarrassed, so she sent a general link to the site itself.” When Ruby opened it, “I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. I couldn’t believe that such an infrastructure existed: something so well organised, so systematic, fed by the people who lived around us.”


AnonIB was categorised by country – the US has the most entries, the UK is next – but then broken down by region, city and local area. “And when I say ‘local’, it wouldn’t be ‘London’ or ‘Birmingham’, a city of any size would have smaller, specific categories, like ‘Birmingham University students’,” says Ruby. The thread for Ruby’s town (population 55,000) stretched to 16 pages and with each intimate image of women and girls, there were comments with as much identifying information as possible by local users – names, surnames, the schools they had attended, who their relatives were. There were also lots of “requests” for pictures of certain women – often called “wins” (“Any wins on XXXX?” “There must be more of this slut out there.” “I can now look her boyfriend in the eye knowing I’ve seen his missus naked.”)


Ruby was horrified. “I was in shock. Disgusted that it existed, but also confused,” she says. “How could it be allowed?” But worse was to come. Four months later, she found her own pictures had been added to the site.


AnonIB has used various names over the last few years – always some kind of variation of “image board” and “anonymous”. It was shut down by Dutch police, but has since reappeared and is currently hosted from a Russian domain. In the past few months, it has gone behind a paywall.


AnonIB
Sites such as AnonIB post pictures searchable by users’ locality. Photograph: JGI/Tom Grill/Getty Images/Tetra images RF/Posed by model
Yet the site is not a one-off. It is just one example of what a report last month by the Revenge Porn Helpline (RPH) has termed “collector culture” – something the RPH identifies as “an emerging trend”, “increasing at pace”. In this case, collecting means posting, collating and trading intimate images of women.


“It’s one of the most dehumanising aspects of intimate image abuse that we see,” says Zara Ward, senior helpline practitioner at RPH. “Women are prizes to be passed around, shared and traded like a dystopian version of Pokémon. We often don’t know how these people gained the images in the first place – it could be exes, friends, or hackers – but this isn’t a place where women would consensually upload themselves. All we see on the comments is women consistently and aggressively objectified, humiliated and exposed.”


This happens on multiple platforms: Mega, Dropbox, Discord, anywhere groups can share. On Reddit, anonymous users post images of (likely oblivious) women with captions such as “trading my gf nudes” and “trading gf. Have bj videos too”. Interested parties are then usually directed to personal accounts on Snapchat or the messaging app Kik.


Although it is impossible to know how common this is, the evidence suggests it’s widespread. (When Ruby was added to the AnonIB thread in May 2020, she was image number 72,000.) One general study of intimate image abuse across Australia, New Zealand and the UK suggests one in five men have been perpetrators, and during lockdown – when online activity replaced real-life interactions – calls to the RPH doubled. (Its figures show that women are five times more likely than men to have their intimate images shared.)


“Traditionally, we think of ‘revenge porn’ as someone posting your images on Pornhub and sending you the link, or sending pictures and videos to all your friends and family to hurt and humiliate you,” says Elena Michael from the campaigning group #NotYourPorn. And, in fact, this is what current law nominally protects against. Section 33 of the 2015 Criminal Justice and Courts Act makes it illegal to disclose “private sexual photographs and films with intent to cause distress”.


Yet, says Michael, that is only one form of such abuse. “The truth is that most intimate image abuse is clandestine. It’s done without consent, but also, often, with no intention of the survivor ever finding out.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/06/i-have-moments-of-shame-i-cant-control-the-lives-ruined-by-explicit-collector-culture

Nowt so queer as folk, i was listening to the Beeb and a slot on it today - the usual outraged feminazi and bloke who wouldn't pick Hilter out of a line up of Gingers - was funny tho.

Originally Posted by malmomike77

was funny tho.

Side slapping, no doubt.

After a couple of craft beers definitely, have you got a prevailing wind today?

If you don't want nude photos being circulated of yourself, don't pose for them in the first place. Next?

Agreed but i suppose there are many picture taken without knowledge or consent

There could be revenge revenge porn.

There is a category on there of Rate my Wife.

I reckon the Lassies could unite and have a Rate my Husband.

But, most likely they have better things to do with their time, or it would be a small, short thread

Originally Posted by David48atTD

There could be revenge revenge porn.

The radio show was trying to distance itself from the term, apparently its not helpful

Originally Posted by David48atTD

But, most likely they have better things to do with their time,

Rate my dildo

Originally Posted by malmomike77

Agreed but i suppose there are many picture taken without knowledge or consent

Yes there are.

Revenge porn is despicable. I have an old school mate, she's pretty, slim & attractive. During that time, she had a falling out with her BF (now ex), and her pics (or vids, not sure) circulated in cyberspace. I didn't see the images, but learned about it from another town-mate. The news circulated such that even my old mom knew about it!

During that time, PH didn't have laws against such things. Now, there's the Cybercrime Prevention Act & Data Privacy Act. Those laws were pushed due to cybercrimes/ hacking, but also due to revenge porn and a famous case between an actress (Katrina Halili) and a medical doctor, Hayden Kho. The doc posted vids of her online. It was investigated, and the doc lost his medical licence. He's now a businessman. The actress testified in congress (as a move to have the bill approved). The actress has moved on - had a new relationship and a child.

Here in PH, even posting someones image on FB or YT (if without knowledge or consent) can get one in trouble. The implementation is murky, but if someone asks you to take down his or her photo or delete a vid, then you should do so, else criminal charges may be filed against you.

I know that some members here post pics of their dalliances (even if it's in the members section). There were even famous threads about it. The poster gets greens & virtual slaps on the back. (Great pics, mate! More, more more!) Since I know that this is a predominantly male forum, I just keep silent, but that doesn't mean that I agree with it.

Originally Posted by katie23

Here in PH, even posting someones image on FB or YT (if without knowledge or consent) can get one in trouble. The implementation is murky, but if someone asks you to take down his or her photo or delete a vid, then you should do so, else criminal charges may be filed against you.

The worry is with some of the legislation no matter how well meaning is its rushed through and can have unintended consequences.

For me i cannot understand the mentality of it all. I cannot conceive even in my worst funk that i would do that to a person, its just cowardly involving other people in your personal conflict and then leaving the other to live with the consequences.

Its that do unto others as you would expect done to you thing i got brought up with.

I didn't see the images, but learned about it from another town-mate

So just borrow them from her, and lets decide on TD how scurrilous they are.

Posting pics is a knotty conundrum tae be shure and I approach it with a framework of Bayesian reasoning.

I have prior beliefs about what types of photos are OK to post on a 'lads' forum (with esteemed and genteel lady forum members in attendance) based on the likely probability of harmful outcome or offence

Basic rules I would follow would be:-

No faces
Not identifiable
Not in underwear or naked
Not sexually explicit

But there are lots of edge cases that lie at the boundary between OK and not OK and can be argued to be one way or the other.

The Bayesian reasoning approach means I am open to update my prior beliefs in the light of new evidence, argument or evolution of the changing social milieu, and certain edge cases may need to be be moved from the OK category to the not OK category.

Bayesian reasoning is the framework of rational and empirical thinking which members of a democracy (who wield more individual power than subjects of an autocracy) are obliged to cultivate.

With democratic power comes democratic responsibility.

^ that's great Loops but have you got any explicit ones, they still pose a threat to those they are of

Boring site - no sex-doll category.... maybe I should start one.

^ you could start a sex doll dating site


erm, thinking about that in more detail, that would actually be a sex doll hire site.

Originally Posted by malmomike77

^ that's great Loops but have you got any explicit ones, they still pose a threat to those they are of

I am not really one for home-spun porno movies and pics

In fact the first time I indulged in that adventurous practice was with Miss Ameru tribe from Kenya, she of the rag-doll cat, a mere year ago - at her request and suggestion I might add

So such pics do exist but they will go to the grave with me on an encrypted hard drive and will not even grace cloud storage land, never mind the public tinternet

Although in the interests of fairness I did share said pics with Miss Ameru, so what she chooses to do with them I have no idea, and I may already be a famous porn star on some lascivious ladies pic sharing website

^ good man.

Some ladies do actively encourage it but you have to question why? what good can come of it. Suppose you settle down and live happily ever after, what happens when you cark it and those pics turn up when your kids or whoever are going through your estate shit, great memories for them. I just don't get it.