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    The submarine deal or how Australia cocked it up.

    Rumblings about the french submarine contract have been an open sore for a while, in fact almost from day one. The incompetence of Australian military procurements seems to have no limit.
    This story by right wing journalist Andrew Bolt shows there was something rotten in the contract. I am not a fan of Bolt but there are some signs of early warnings in this piece, broadcast almost 3 months ago.


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    Well it's not any more, is it?


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    Heh, lets wait and see.

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    It can only get worse with that ex police minister Peter Dutton now the defence minister. That guys a piece of work. One thing for sure is this Pandemic is really making our politicians work for there money and there doing a shit job of it. There used to the plain sailing and cop the cash. Throw in a pandemic and there's no real leadership at all. Meanwhile scomo seems intent on antagonising the chinks non stop. I'm no fan of the chinks but fuck me they are a paying customer.

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    As for the French. Well yeah.they feel fucked over. They were. But not as fucked over as the Australian tax payer who will be left to foot the bill when France demands payment for work already done. No big fan of the French either but I suspect we will be reimbursing them. Fuck you Scomo. Dickhead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beerlaodrinker View Post
    I'm no fan of the chinks but fuck me they are a paying customer.
    ...they're also a dangerously immature customer capable of suddenly cutting off Aussie exports in a pout...
    Quote Originally Posted by beerlaodrinker View Post
    No big fan of the French either
    ...once they're reimbursed, they'll forgive and forget...because it's wise and mature to do so...

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    Might it have been a bit more sensible to announce the sub deal after we had cut a free trade deal with the EU? Because now, it's gonna be hung over us like a sword of Damocles. We're not exactly gonna be able to make up for it by exports to China, are we?

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    A contract/agreement was broken and France deserves to be compensated, why is that difficult to understand. Delays will have been covered by the contract/agreement.
    France whining? Yes, of course - do you think the Brits wouldn't? The Aussies and their continuous whining about China? Why is it different when it's France?

    I do hope the EU puts the kabosh on trade deals with Australia, who should pick their friends wisely. Anglo-bonds are a figment of their opportunistic imaginations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    We're not exactly gonna be able to make up for it by exports to China, are we?
    ...that's the good news...focus export products and services elsewhere to avoid commercial and political servitude to the Mainland...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...that's the good news...focus export products and services elsewhere to avoid commercial and political servitude to the Mainland...
    Ah, you mean use logic and business sense instead of blowing some propaganda tool? Nice.

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    I'm sorry, but I am a bit breathless. I did not realise how utterly stoopid and naive you people are. My bad.



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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I'm sorry, but I am a bit breathless
    ...blaming your posts on oxygen deprivation: lame...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...blaming your posts on oxygen deprivation: lame...
    Better than admitting to posting crap


    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...they're also a dangerously immature customer capable of suddenly cutting off Aussie exports in a pout...
    Something about goose and gander applies

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    I wonder if there is anyone in the CCP hierarchy asking wether they may have gone a little overboard in pushing Australia. Instead of keeping the U.S. as friendless as possible in the Asia pacific region, they have achieved the opposite. Even Doodoo in Phili (not the sharpest tool in the shed in international politics) is seeing what happens when you swim with crocodiles. Vietnams rationship with China is poor with conflict over islands Vietnam regard as their own and is wary of China and its increasing influence in Laos, including building dams that affect the Mekong Delta. Laos being a neighbour and close Ally for many years.
    No doubt the deal was handled badly with the French by Australia and they can justifiably feel a little affronted. Naval should be given reasonable compensation for costs incurred so far. It was a poor short sighted contract in the first place with spiraling costs before anything was remotely close to being manufactured.
    As to the FTA, there is already a 30 billion trade deficit in th EU's favour, which means quite a few EU countries doing nicely with trade to Australia and I doubt many of them will want to rock the boat at the moment. In regard to the french, If they wish to boycott Australian trade they would do well to look at their own trade surplus with Australia.
    Of course it's all just hot air. Everything will go through even if there is a short delay so the Germans can pretend they sympathise with the french, but in the end they know which side the bread is buttered.

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    Good post, I disagree with the last line, though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Everything will go through even if there is a short delay so the Germans can pretend they sympathise with the french, but in the end they know which side the bread is buttered.
    The bread is buttered with the EU in general and France in particular.

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    I remember this debarcle,

    Collins-class submarine - Wikipedia

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    Australia has a massive trade deficit with the EU. Our imports from them are around four times the value of our exports to them, an annual deficit of over $30bn.
    European Union Country Fact Sheet (dfat.gov.au)

    But we run a healthy trade surplus with the rest of the world overall, the main reason being (you guessed it) China- a massive trade surplus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    the main reason being (you guessed it) China- a massive trade surplus
    ...unfortunately, the Chinese are working to correct the imbalance...

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    Doesn't matter anyway, Aussies at the moment will cower in corner if China threatens to cut off the supply of masks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Good post, I disagree with the last line, though.
    The bread is buttered with the EU in general and France in particular.
    Germany has a huge favourable trade balance of close to 10 billion with Australia, a gap that needs to be narrowed. around 2 billion to 12 billion export/import. I'm sure they wont wish to do anything to endanger that. Apart from being the only reliable strategic long term European ally positioned in the AP region.
    From an EU perspective, I was referring to Germany as a Mother trying to drag a bunch of unruly children along with her with one in particular having quite a temper tantrum ATM and i stick by my comment on who is currently getting the buttered side of the economic bread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beerlaodrinker View Post
    I'm no fan of the chinks but fuck me they are a paying customer.
    This, hit the nail on the head!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    capable of suddenly cutting off Aussie exports in a pout...
    As are many others.

    Some even boast that:



    "If you're trading extensively with China, and you're friendly with China you're undermining the United States and that is not going to make us happy, and when we are unhappy you do not want to underestimate how nasty we can be. Just ask Fidel Castro."

    List of Atrocities committed by US authorities

    Definition: An extremely wicked or cruel act, typically one involving physical violence or injury.

    "After the Failed bay of pigs invasion, the CIA began Operation Mongoose, a series of covert operations to disrupt and destabilize Cuba.

    The operation included economic warfare, including an embargo against Cuba, “to induce failure of the Communist regime to supply Cuba's economic needs,” a diplomatic initiative to isolate Cuba, and psychological operations “to turn the peoples' resentment increasingly against the regime.”[32]

    The economic warfare prong of the operation also included the infiltration by the CIA of operatives to carry out many acts of sabotage against civilian targets, such as a railway bridge, a molasses storage facilities, an electric power plant, and the sugar harvest, notwithstanding Cuba’s repeated requests to the United States government to cease its terrorist operations.[33][32]

    In addition, the CIA orchestrated a number of assassination attempts against Fidel Castro, head of government of Cuba, including attempts that entailed CIA collaboration with the American mafia. 1"

    https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/master/us_atrocities.md#asia



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    I am still brainstorming the design for the new sub. I think there might be room for a fleet of smaller littoral subs in a support role against the yellow menace so I have got hold of the first elektroboot ever to grace the high seas. The German Kriegsmarine Type XXIII from 1943

    The submarine deal or how Australia cocked it up.-img_20210927_233028-jpg

    This was the first sub ever to be able to spend its working life underwater, which is a key requirement for the RAAN. It would run its diesel engines via a snorkel for 3 hours to charge the batteries but could spend its entire deployment beneath the waves. This was in contrast to the more famous Type VII which spent most of its time on the surface, only diving for defence or to mount an attack.

    The real Type XXIII was only 35m long and only carried 2 torpedoes. But this model is a huge 1/35 scale so it is almost 1m long, just like the 1/72 USS Skipjack above, or at least it will be when I glue it together.

    The Panzer IV is 1/35 so not far off on comparison. You can see that the Panzer IV chassis has also been repurposed to build this Afrika Korps 37mm FlakPanzer Ostwind

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    Flute of sparkling red just to give a sense of scale

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    As are many others.

    Some even boast that:



    "If you're trading extensively with China, and you're friendly with China you're undermining the United States and that is not going to make us happy, and when we are unhappy you do not want to underestimate how nasty we can be. Just ask Fidel Castro."

    List of Atrocities committed by US authorities

    Definition: An extremely wicked or cruel act, typically one involving physical violence or injury.

    "After the Failed bay of pigs invasion, the CIA began Operation Mongoose, a series of covert operations to disrupt and destabilize Cuba.

    The operation included economic warfare, including an embargo against Cuba, “to induce failure of the Communist regime to supply Cuba's economic needs,” a diplomatic initiative to isolate Cuba, and psychological operations “to turn the peoples' resentment increasingly against the regime.”[32]

    The economic warfare prong of the operation also included the infiltration by the CIA of operatives to carry out many acts of sabotage against civilian targets, such as a railway bridge, a molasses storage facilities, an electric power plant, and the sugar harvest, notwithstanding Cuba’s repeated requests to the United States government to cease its terrorist operations.[33][32]

    In addition, the CIA orchestrated a number of assassination attempts against Fidel Castro, head of government of Cuba, including attempts that entailed CIA collaboration with the American mafia. 1"

    https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/master/us_atrocities.md#asia



    I'm shocked! A what about from Ohdyke. Who would've thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    I'm shocked! A what about from Ohdyke. Who would've thought.
    Surprising, really . . . usually such level-headed and unbiased contributors

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