Results 1 to 25 of 25
  1. #1
    In Uranus
    bsnub's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    24,874

    Eisenhower's "Military-Industrial Complex" Speech Origins and Significance



    My personal hero. He never saw a day in combat, yet he used his logistical mastery and won the war.

  2. #2
    Thailand Expat helge's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    7,212
    Good speech.

    Kennedy held one at Amhearst College.
    Quite good also, if I remember rightly.


  3. #3
    Thailand Expat
    aging one's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    20,440
    "Honest Ike", when it meant something.


    President Dwight David Eisenhower, perhaps the last real Republican, had a 90 percent tax rate for the super rich during his administration.
    Eisenhower explained it this way: The super rich could avoid the high taxes by investing their money in things that make America stronger. If they wanted to avoid high taxes, he said they could invest in business expansions and higher employee wages. They could give a million or two to tax-exempt non-profits that feed, house and clothe poor people of America, among other things.
    They did some of that, but the Eisenhower years generated enough taxes to launch and complete the labyrinth of interstate highways, the largest road project America had ever seen and is needed again.






  4. #4
    Chinese spy sabang's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Last Online
    Today @ 02:10 PM
    Location
    BackinOz
    Posts
    34,635
    But the Generals and their real paymasters in the MI complex won. To what good purpose, except to make fat War pigs fatter, and the average American citizen poorer?

  5. #5
    Thailand Expat helge's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    7,212
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    But the Generals and their real paymasters in the MI complex won
    Ofcourse

    The gullible sheep are in majority.

    Just do a poll on TD


  6. #6
    In Uranus
    bsnub's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    24,874
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    But the Generals and their real paymasters in the MI complex won. To what good purpose, except to make fat War pigs fatter, and the average American citizen poorer?
    The comment is totally out of context. Did you even watch the video? Eisenhower wanted to dismantle the military industrial complex.

  7. #7
    Chinese spy sabang's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Last Online
    Today @ 02:10 PM
    Location
    BackinOz
    Posts
    34,635
    I now full well about Ike snubs, great man- the point is that collectively, ya didn't listen! "Perhaps they'll listen now"....
    It's not only America btw- collectively, we are too easily sold the war drums by charlatans.

  8. #8
    Thailand Expat
    Klondyke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Last Online
    26-09-2021 @ 10:28 PM
    Posts
    10,149
    Wondering why there are so many admirers of Eisenhower and his ideas about dismantle of Military-Industrial Complex (pity that he did not apply it before finishing his term)?

    And in the same way they are proud on the achievement of M-IC over the years, being very apologetic if the results are not really to admire (what seems to be always the case...)

  9. #9
    Thailand Expat
    aging one's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    20,440
    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Wondering why there are so many admirers of Eisenhower and his ideas about dismantle of Military-Industrial Complex (pity that he did not apply it before finishing his term)?

    And in the same way they are proud on the achievement of M-IC over the years, being very apologetic if the results are not really to admire (what seems to be always the case...)
    Of course more incomprehensible gibberish. How long is this going to go on?

  10. #10
    Thailand Expat
    Klondyke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Last Online
    26-09-2021 @ 10:28 PM
    Posts
    10,149
    ^Sorry, if my comment touches some esteemed members here, the M-IC has been surely also helpful for some, not only for the big guys...

  11. #11
    Thailand Expat
    aging one's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    20,440
    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    ^Sorry, if my comment touches some esteemed members here, the M-IC has been surely also helpful for some, not only for the big guys...
    Dont apologize for something you are doing on purpose. 90% of your posts are exactly like this.

  12. #12
    Thailand Expat AntRobertson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    40,666
    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Dont apologize for something you are doing on purpose. 90% of your posts are exactly like this.
    This.

    All this contrarian gibberish is standard for him.

  13. #13
    Days Work Done! Norton's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Last Online
    Today @ 02:22 PM
    Location
    Roiet
    Posts
    32,180
    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Wondering why there are so many admirers of Eisenhower and his ideas about dismantle of Military-Industrial Complex (pity that he did not apply it before finishing his term)?
    No need to wonder. Unlike a few nations (no names mentioned) all Ike could do was warn about the military industrial complex and ask Congress for it's dismantlement.

    Just the way it works in the US. Now you can stop wondering.

  14. #14
    Thailand Expat panama hat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Last Online
    Today @ 01:40 PM
    Location
    Way, Way South of the border now - thank God!
    Posts
    29,911
    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Wondering
    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Now you can stop wondering.
    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Sorry
    Don't be sorry, just don't do it again.




    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    The comment is totally out of context. Did you even watch the video? Eisenhower wanted to dismantle the military industrial complex.
    What makes the US unique in the western world is waving the stars and stripes, eating mom's apple pie and singing the star spangled banner are enough reason to get public approval for invasions, killing hundreds of thousands far, far away etc . . .

    The only 'check' was 9/11, the only real attack on US soil (No, Hawaii wasn't the US) and it hurt. Being quasi an 'island' far away from anywhere gives a massive strategic advantage - no neighbours who can cause harm and a psychological advantage of being 'safe'.
    It hurt so badly being punched back . . . and on home soil . . . that twenty years later people, children, are still being killed for it without consequence.

    The bizarre Über-nationalism excuses all behaviour and that is more powerful than any MIC.
    Last edited by panama hat; 19-09-2021 at 11:34 AM.

  15. #15
    Thailand Expat
    Klondyke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Last Online
    26-09-2021 @ 10:28 PM
    Posts
    10,149
    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    No need to wonder. Unlike a few nations (no names mentioned) all Ike could do was warn about the military industrial complex and ask Congress for it's dismantlement.

    Just the way it works in the US. Now you can stop wondering.
    (I am sorry, if my remark that the M-IC helped to many to their livelihood, also touches you.)

    As the history tells us, there are cases that POTUS does things without Congress and vice versa. And that was one case with Eisenhower (but perhaps just a "conspiracy theory"), the case of the U-2 spy incident, when there were rumours that the plane was sent without his knowledge. A useless mission, for an intelligence that was known already before, anyway.

    But it has fulfilled the purpose: very important summit with Nikita Kroushchev in Paris about disarmament was cancelled. But the POTUS cannot say: They did not tell me, can he?

    And how was the case with Reagan re Iran-Contra?

    BTW, do you know the joke about the president's plan for his first few days into presidency? (The 4th day he will abolish the military, the 5th day he is dead...)

    Ike had served 8 years - and in his last days "all Ike could do was warn about the military industrial complex and ask Congress for it's dismantlement". (Perhaps, afraid of his life? Moreover, he did not know what will happen to his successor...)

  16. #16
    Thailand Expat
    aging one's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    20,440
    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    (I am sorry, if my remark that the M-IC helped to many to their livelihood, also touches you.)
    Any time someone, in this case Norton calls you on your BS, you get all snitty and attempt to be sarcastic. But fail.



    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Ike had served 8 years - and in his last days "all Ike could do was warn about the military industrial complex and ask Congress for it's dismantlement". (Perhaps, afraid of his life? Moreover, he did not know what will happen to his successor...)
    Gibberish...
    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    And how was the case with Reagan re Iran-Contra?
    Off topic gibberish which you and you alone excel in.

  17. #17
    Thailand Expat
    Klondyke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Last Online
    26-09-2021 @ 10:28 PM
    Posts
    10,149
    Some call "gibberish" when the others name the things by their real names...

  18. #18
    Thailand Expat
    aging one's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    20,440
    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Some call "gibberish" when the others name the things by their real names...
    But you never do that, you post off topic nonsensical gibberish in an attempt to provoke. Something that has never gone over well on this forum.

  19. #19
    Thailand Expat panama hat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Last Online
    Today @ 01:40 PM
    Location
    Way, Way South of the border now - thank God!
    Posts
    29,911
    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    But you never do that, you post off topic nonsensical gibberish in an attempt to provoke. Something that has never gone over well on this forum.
    Luckily Klongdick is bemoaning posters going off topic elsewhere . . . here he is just "long-braining" it again

  20. #20
    Thailand Expat
    Klondyke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Last Online
    26-09-2021 @ 10:28 PM
    Posts
    10,149
    A bit more to my "gibberish":

    Actually, I keep Ike Eisenhower more in respect than any other after him. Perhaps because seeing his picture daily in my young years, a book (2 volumes) about him with his picture on the dust jacket in my father's bookcase no one can miss to see.

    Three Years With Eisenhower - Czech translation, published one year before the Communists takeover, quite popular that time in Czechoslovakia.


    Eisenhower's "Military-Industrial Complex" Speech Origins and Significance-eisenhower-jpg


    (Not the book from our bookcase, just finding the picture on Czech bookstores online offers)

    Many times reading it in my younger years, paging through the many interesting pictures.

    And recently, I was quite pleasantly surprised to learn - what the French history about General de Gaulle had disclosed (true or not?) - that Eisenhower was accepting de Gaulle's request to mutually cooperate in liberation of Paris, thus not really in accordance with the orders issued by Roosevelt (who was no friend to de Gaulle)...
    Last edited by Klondyke; 19-09-2021 at 03:12 PM.

  21. #21
    Days Work Done! Norton's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Last Online
    Today @ 02:22 PM
    Location
    Roiet
    Posts
    32,180
    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    What makes the US unique in the western world is waving the stars and stripes
    Not really unique but it works well.


  22. #22
    Thailand Expat David48atTD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Palace Far from Worries
    Posts
    12,836
    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    My personal hero. He never saw a day in combat, yet he used his logistical mastery and won the war.
    I wonder if Eisenflower ever visited Thailand?

  23. #23
    Thailand Expat David48atTD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Palace Far from Worries
    Posts
    12,836
    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    I wonder if Eisenflower ever visited Thailand?
    Thanks for the red bsnub.

    I just kind of struggle with why, a US president, who retired before I was born is reverent to a Thai Forum?

    I do understand recently current/current US world relations ... but someone who hasn't been influential in the past 60 years

    Feel free to answer.
    Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago ...


  24. #24
    Thailand Expat helge's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    7,212
    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    ... but someone who hasn't been influential in the past 60 years
    But the millitary-industrial complex is, David

  25. #25
    Thailand Expat
    aging one's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Last Online
    @
    Posts
    20,440
    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    I do understand recently current/current US world relations ... but someone who hasn't been influential in the past 60 years

    Feel free to answer.
    He was the last real human being we had as a president. Never served in America politics either before or after his elections. Believed in taxing the rich and built our highway network to the highest of standards. He simply was a great guy. Ended WW2 and helped Europe get back on track.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •