Kava root tea/extract. Natures Xanax.

**tomcat** · 02-09-2021, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by Simon43

I can't say that drinking coffee is on the same level as popping Xanax etc to get a high. I just like the taste...

...try the new chocolate-coated xanax...

**pickel** · 02-09-2021, 06:05 AM

^^
More uninformed bullshit.

**Backspin** · 02-09-2021, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by Joe 90

Where's Betty Boo when you need a Xanax review or two

Yeah. Im not sure what pissed him off but he basically flounced.

**Backspin** · 02-09-2021, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

B.C. does have some unique practices when it comes to certain prescription medications so your not entirely out there backspin. I think this is because of the high rates of overdose deaths here. There are likely more deaths in Vancouver than the rest of Canada combined. B.C., having relatively mild winters seems to attract full time individuals who are prone to the 'druggie' lifestyle. A few points.

Valium and the like should not be that difficult to get unless:

-one already uses narcotic pain killers. You'll not get the two prescribed together anymore.
-Any history of drug abuse.

Two things to always remember when visiting a doctor out in these parts,

1. Never admit to smoking marijuana.
2. Never admit to entertaining thoughts of suicide.

Outside of those you should be free to acquire Xanax, Valium and the like.

As far as the Kava Root, I would be concerned with longer term accumulation and toxicity in various vital organs.

Take care.

2 doctors told me that their new guidelines from their licensing body prohibit the prescription of valium or xanax. Exact words. Under no circumstances could they prescribe it.

You can really tell that they've come down on it judging by the amount of business that the counterfeit dealers on the darknet are doing.

And then when someone has legit valium, they ask like $10-$20 for one 10 mg pill. I'll post the prices. Anyone who says they can get this shit could make a lot of extra money on the side

**russellsimpson** · 02-09-2021, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by Backspin

2 doctors told me that their new guidelines from their licensing body prohibit the prescription of valium or xanax. Exact words. Under no circumstances could they prescribe it.

They're lying to you.

The guidelines are however any single doctor chooses to read them.

As a side note here, I can report that things are turning around. Too many overdose deaths, especially in middle class white kids. The parents are starting to say , "I'd rather have my child alive and addicted to drugs than dead and in his/her grave. And quite rightly so IMO.

**aging one** · 02-09-2021, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

They're lying to you.

Probably for good reason. Took a look at him, asked a few questions and could deduce. This kind of a guy snorts crushed up valium. No way..

**tomcat** · 02-09-2021, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Backspin

2 doctors told me that their new guidelines from their licensing body prohibit the prescription of valium or xanax.

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

They're lying to you.

...more likely he's lying to us...

**Backspin** · 02-09-2021, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by aging one

Probably for good reason. Took a look at him, asked a few questions and could deduce. This kind of a guy snorts crushed up valium. No way..

Hahaha. This is what I look like when i go to the doctor. Clean cut, healthy build. If anything, I am too presentable and they think im just some jackass looking for some downers to enjoy on the weekend

**bsnub** · 02-09-2021, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by Backspin

im just some jackass

That's for sure.

**Backspin** · 02-09-2021, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

They're lying to you.

The guidelines are however any single doctor chooses to read them.

As a side note here, I can report that things are turning around. Too many overdose deaths, especially in middle class white kids. The parents are starting to say , "I'd rather have my child alive and addicted to drugs than dead and in his/her grave. And quite rightly so IMO.

Its all so sickening that i stopped reading anything about it. I assumed that they would never do the right thing and I still think they will keep doing the opposite of the right thing. Did you read about that in the paper or something ?

Here's the famous chart. In 2020, deaths are up 30% from 2019. So this chart updated is going straight up.

How drug warriors made the ‘opioid epidemic’ deadlier

According to lawsuits that four drug companies agreed to settle last week, the “opioid epidemic” was caused by overprescription of pain medication, which suggests that curtailing the supply of analgesics such as hydrocodone and oxycodone is the key to reducing opioid-related deaths.

But that assumption has proven disastrously wrong, revealing how prohibition makes drug use deadlier.

Per capita opioid prescriptions in the United States, which began rising in 2006, fell steadily after 2012, reflecting the impact of government efforts to restrict and discourage medical use of these drugs. Yet in 2019, when the dispensing rate was lower than it had been since 2005, the U.S. saw more opioid-related deaths than ever before.

Last year, according to preliminary estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, that record was broken once again: Opioid-related deaths jumped by 40%. As opioid prescriptions fell, the upward trend in fatalities (which typically involve more than one drug) not only continued but accelerated.

That perverse effect was entirely predictable. The crackdown on pain pills drove nonmedical users toward black-market substitutes, replacing legally manufactured, reliably dosed products with drugs of unknown provenance and composition.

While that was happening, illicit fentanyl became increasingly common as a heroin booster or replacement, making potency even more variable and unpredictable. In 2020, according to the CDC’s projections, “synthetic opioids other than methadone,” the category that includes fentanyl and its analogs, were involved in 83% of opioid-related deaths, up from 14% in 2010.

To the extent that the government succeeds in exerting pressure on the supply of illegal intoxicants, it encourages traffickers to distribute more-potent drugs, which are easier to conceal and smuggle. Since fentanyl is far more potent than heroin, a package weighing less than an ounce can replace one that weighs a couple of pounds.

Although “physicians have reduced opioid prescribing by more than 44% since 2012,” Mukkamala noted, “the drug overdose epidemic has gotten worse.” The government mistakenly assumed that the availability of particular intoxicants was causing drug-related deaths, which is clearly not true in light of the social, economic, and psychological factors that plausibly explain last year’s surge, such as financial insecurity, emotional stress, isolation, and disengagement from meaningful activities.

(See the large yellow highlighted. That's PROOF that they went religious against opiates. And this retardation has bled into the benzo supply too. You either have to be lucky or living under a rock not to notice)

For example, 36 states have to date imposed limits on opioid prescriptions and total opioid dispensing per 100 persons has decreased more than 57 percent since its peak in 2012.

**aging one** · 02-09-2021, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Backspin

I am too presentable and they think im just some jackass looking for some downers to enjoy on the weekend

Bingo!! Exactly what I was saying.

**Headworx** · 02-09-2021, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by pickel

I tried kava when I was in Fiji. Definitely has a calming effect, but it tastes like muddy water and your tongue goes numb.

Same here, lips went numb too though. Wouldn't do it again but as a tourist in Fiji for the first time, I guess everyone tries it.

Originally Posted by tomcat

I get a prescription from my Samitivej doctor(s) merely by asking...

Can still get Xanax straight over the counter at many places in Thailand, as you'd know too.

Originally Posted by Simon43

I can honestly say that I've never (knowingly) taken Xanax in my life

First had it in hospital after a pretty major operation and they wanted me to sleep or be totally calm for a few days while healing. Couldn't stay awake for more than maybe 20 minutes for 3 days straight and didn't care about anything happening around me, it works! So being a heavy smoker at the time and doing regular long-haul flights, it was the perfect drug for that. It was like stepping into a time machine, take just the right amount as the plane was boarding and next thing they'd be shaking you awake on descent 12 hours later. One or two strong coffees and a few cigarettes after landing and you were good to go. Perfect!

**helge** · 02-09-2021, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by Headworx

take just the right amount as the plane was boarding and next thing they'd be shaking you awake on descent 12 hours later.

Didn't piss yourself ?

Or wake up with a bloodclot or two in your legs ?

**Klondyke** · 02-09-2021, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Backspin

How drug warriors made the ‘opioid epidemic’ deadlier

Sackler family wins immunity from further opioid litigation
Published16 hours ago

A US judge has approved a bankruptcy plan for the maker of OxyContin painkillers, shielding its wealthy owners the Sacklers from further legal action over their roles in America's opioid epidemic.

Under the deal, Purdue Pharma will pay $4.5bn (£3.3bn) to settle lawsuits related to the crisis.

The Sackler family will also give up control of the drugmaker.

But they also have immunity from future lawsuits, despite strong opposition.

Nearly all US states, hospitals, native American tribes and other creditors approved the settlement, although some states said they would appeal.

Judge Robert Drain noted that the Sackler family members who testified showed little remorse. "A forced apology is not really an apology," he said. "And so we will live without one."

In 2020, Purdue pled guilty to criminal charges over its marketing of Oxycontin, a painkiller it knew was addictive and being widely abused.

Purdue signs deal with 15 states on opioid payout
Purdue pleads guilty in $8bn opioid settlement

Those charges included defrauding health agencies and making illegal payments to doctors to encourage the over-prescription of opioids, leading to overdoses and addiction which strained public health and policing resources in cities and towns across the US.

However, the Sacklers have always denied any personal responsibility for the crisis, which has affected millions of people over the last 20 years.

The family, which has faced around 3,000 lawsuits, say they always acted ethically and lawfully while serving on Purdue's board.

Under the bankruptcy plan, the family will pay $4.5bn over a decade towards settling the outstanding legal cases against them.

Purdue Pharma will also be dissolved and its assets shifted to a new company not controlled by Sackler family members. The new firm will instead be owned by a trust run to combat the opioid epidemic.

Judge Drain said he had expected the Sacklers to make a larger contribution and that with litigation, it might have been achieved.

"This is a bitter result," he told reporters, but vowed not to jeopardise what had been agreed.

The Sacklers had said they would not agree to the settlement unless they were protected from future legal action, drawing fierce opposition from some states.

Despite this, 95% of creditors voted to approve the bankruptcy plan, although some state attorney generals opposed it.

Washington Attorney General Bob Ferguson said his office would appeal, adding: "This order is insulting to victims of the opioid epidemic who had no voice in these proceedings."

Prior to the ruling, Connecticut's Attorney General William Tong said he would appeal if necessary.

And on Tuesday Maryland Attorney General Brian Frosh said: "In our view, the Sacklers are responsible for extensive harm in Maryland and nationwide.

"This plan allows the Sacklers to enjoy riches amounting to billions of dollars."

Purdue filed for bankruptcy in 2019, promising to restructure its business and focus on tackling addiction.

Opioids are a class of powerful drugs, fully or partially synthesised from the opium poppy. They can be found as legal prescription medications, but they can also be found as illegal street drugs, such as heroin.

Addiction to both legal and illegal opioids has been a serious, ongoing problem in the US, which had nearly half a million deaths from overdoses between 1999 and 2019, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

Sackler family wins immunity from further opioid litigation - BBC News

**russellsimpson** · 02-09-2021, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

and making illegal payments to doctors to encourage the over-prescription of opioids,

Yes, what about those 'oh so innocent' Practioners? What penalty are they paying? How many have been disbarred? Probably about zero I figure.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Addiction to both legal and illegal opioids has been a serious, ongoing problem in the US, which had nearly half a million deaths from overdoses between 1999 and 2019, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

The number of deaths is almost incidental. I am concluding that the main killer were people who somehow got hooked up with the drug and then ended up buying off the street. Street drugs are dirty drugs and sometimes increasingly lethal drugs. We still have the crisis and I think some major policy changes are in order. For millennia I'm guessing that the opium poppy was the major giver of relief from pain.

Time to take an approach based more on harm reduction. I hold the legislators totally responsible for the huge number of overdose deaths today.

**Headworx** · 02-09-2021, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by helge

Didn't piss yourself ?

Or wake up with a bloodclot or two in your legs ?

You do wake up and go to the toilet when required and take a few bites out of a meal and drink water and so on, but your body is pretty much in a vegetated state the entire time with almost no recollections of anything that happened afterwards. I was taking Xanax pills by the dozen to work sites for other guys doing long haul too, they were the magic pill for travel! At one time I was doing a half-way around the world flight every 6 weeks or so, was hopelessly addicted to nicotine at that time, and simply could not have done those trips without pharmaceutical assistance.

**helge** · 02-09-2021, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by Headworx

You do wake up and go to the toilet

Good

**Backspin** · 02-09-2021, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

Yes, what about those 'oh so innocent' Practioners? What penalty are they paying? How many have been disbarred? Probably about zero I figure.

The number of deaths is almost incidental. I am concluding that the main killer were people who somehow got hooked up with the drug and then ended up buying off the street. Street drugs are dirty drugs and sometimes increasingly lethal drugs. We still have the crisis and I think some major policy changes are in order. For millennia I'm guessing that the opium poppy was the major giver of relief from pain.

Time to take an approach based more on harm reduction. I hold the legislators totally responsible for the huge number of overdose deaths today.

Excuse my language but the drug makers and doctors had fuck all nothing to do with this.

OD deaths have trended upward since at least the late 1970s, well‐before the approval of OxyContin in 1996.

Opiate prescriptions are down 57% since 2012. That was 9 years ago. And yet 2020 was the record for OD deaths.

Not everyone that uses opiates is an addict. Not even close. The percentages are the same with alcohol as they are with opiates. Its the addicts that know the supply best. They aren't even the ones dying. Its the casual users who are dying the most.

But whatever. Lets just keep restricting the supply of safe opiates and keep killing people. I'll just watch.

2021 will be worse than 2020. Its like fighting fire with gasoline.

**Backspin** · 02-09-2021, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by russellsimpson

Time to take an approach based more on harm reduction. I hold the legislators totally responsible for the huge number of overdose deaths today.

What do you think the chances are that Klondyke didn't get any opiate based pain killers for his hip surgery and replacement ? I'd put it at zero. Just sayin

**helge** · 03-09-2021, 02:52 AM

Originally Posted by Backspin

Excuse my language but the drug makers and doctors had fuck all nothing to do with this.

It's just that, when some..drug makers pays alot of money, closes down the firm and asks for immunity for future lawsuits,

it somehow tells me, that they aren't totally innocent

**tomcat** · 03-09-2021, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by Backspin

What do you think the chances are that Klondyke didn't get any opiate based pain killers for his hip surgery and replacement ?

...At Samitivej for a kidney stone, I was given a non-euphoric opiate-derived pain killer (Tramadol)...plus a prescription for a lot more in case it was needed. Without the high, what would be the point of abusing a painkiller?...

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