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    How are you coping in these Covid times

    I was looking to see if there was a thread and didn't find one and thought I would just ask.

    So how are you coping in these Covid times?

    For me, it is all over the place. Some days it seems somewhat normal, then days later its total chaos. I have been in Thailand for most of the pandemic and initially I felt little, to no impact, while the rest of the world seemed to be upside down. I watched the US and all my friends live in total confusion and people dropping like flies. Now I am currently in the states and while many are vaccinated it is still total chaos. As of this morning the states is averaging 100K cases a day and virtually all are antivaxxer folks. However the challenge is that you have no way of knowing who is vaccinated or not and people lie about it so they do not have to wear a mask and yet you cannot ask them to validate it. Parents let their children run around unmasked everywhere which is crazy.

    My wife and I are now on the last few weeks here in the states. We were going to stay until near end of September but Singapore airlines called us saying that they want us to change our return trip to no later than Aug 31st. While they didn't state it, I suspect they are cancelling all flights into Thailand. They also noted in the update that they are not allowing international flights into Singapore, you can only be in transit. We will land in Singapore and be escorted to a quarantine area for our layover. Of course upon landing in Thailand we will do a 14 day ASQ even though fully vaccinated. We have our COE approved and ASQ booked.

    Its a strange world now, sort of like the 9/11 event but far more inconvenient. Traveling anywhere simply isn't worth it. I will have been Covid tested 8 times from the flight here and the return flight back. I am sick of having swabs crammed up my nose. I sometimes feel like a prisoner. Even though here in the states you can go anywhere, you still see/feel this friction amongst people that are not wearing masks and ones that do. Its a strange dynamic. I know when we finally get back home, we will be in a hard lock down even though vaccinated but at least its stress free. There will be no more travel plans for us for quite some time.

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    Have been in the states the entire COVID time. In the beginning we wished we were in Thailand. Kinda felt like we were missing out on a unique piece of history. But the tables have turned and we’re glad not to be in Thailand. Might have felt some sense of chaos at times last year but definitely not in the last year. Pretty much feels like things are getting back to normal here where we are. For a very long time now the plan has been to retire next year around May - July and move back to Thailand. Starting to have second thoughts. Might work a little later into the year. Even thinking about waiting for a job in Japan that I know will open in 2023. Really not sure anymore. Haven’t had a cigarette in 6 days so there is some good news … Ha ha ha ha!

    As far as COVID and the shot go. None of it interferes with my daily life too much. I wear my mask where needed, I social distance, got the shots … and I know all the shot does is hopefully make it less likely I’ll die or have severe symptoms if I contract it … I’ve done all I can and don’t spend a lot of time worrying about it all.

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    Got used to it now.

    In fact when it's all done and dusted (whenever that is), it's going to feel strange not reaching for the mask...

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    Been a gas for me, being a bank robber by trade, and a bit of a needle pusher on the side.

    Next week I'm starting to build the prototype rocket for my scheduled loony landing in Timbuckfuckingtwo off the proceeds.


    Nah, it's been shit. Business gone bust, wife went mental, now it feels like the last 20 years have been flushed down the shitter.

    Very confused as to what the fuck is going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper View Post
    Have been in the states the entire COVID time. In the beginning we wished we were in Thailand
    Yeah SK, Its like a tale of 2 stories. For the longest time, I felt quite fortunate to be in Thailand as I watched many other countries go completely upside down. Now its flipped but one thing for sure, you will not find many antivaxxers in Thailand, they would gladly stand in line to be vaccinated.

    But to your point, currently being here in the states while Thailand goes into full lock down is strange. Like you, I wear a mask everywhere I go here in California but its a total mix of people wearing them and not and stores have sign requiring them but people who feel its their right go in without and few say anything in fear that it might lead to a fight.

    Honestly, my wife and I look forward to returning home, even in the current conditions but that is driven in part to that fact we are fully vaccinated. Traveling has just become extremely painful dealing with all the differing/rules and behaviors of people. Back home we have our compound and are very well isolated in general and its just easier as everyone wears a mask without question.

    I suspect Thailand will continue to struggle until the masses are vaccinated but again at least in Thailand you will not have any issues with antivaxxers and the parents who let their kids run around without them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    it's going to feel strange not reaching for the mask...
    I know HB....I was thinking that the other day. We have masks in packets everywhere, in cars, in pocket, wife has them in her purse. Its a routine to get out of the car and do a "Got your Mask" check. Will be odd when we don't have to do that ( If we ever get there)

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    Here in Aotearoa New Zealand we don't need masks (many signs on buses state that masks are required on public transport, but that directive is mostly ignored, even by the drivers). Life, with a few exceptions, goes on same as pre-pandemic.

    Tomorrow I fly back to the sandpit. I assume it's masks on when out and about. No big deal.
    Pues, aquí estamos.

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    After 12 years in Thailand I flew home to Canada in the heat of the first wave, June 2020. I didn't trust the Thai govt to do things properly and I didn't want to teach under the new and changing conditions. I have seen what my coworkers have went through this past year and I feel for them.
    Canada was ok at first, big changes in 12 years. I did feel out of place and experienced a bit of culture shock, as well as price tag shock! No more eating out 5 nights a week.
    I dreaded winter so in Oct 2020 flew to Cancun and stayed in Playa del Carmen to see what settling down in Mexico would be like. I didn't like it much. Covid wasn't raging there at the time but there was still an uneasy feeling. Flew back to Canada end of Dec 2020. Bought winter boots and gear.
    Rents here are ridiculous, so I bought the cheapest house in a decent area. Its 100 yrs old and needs a lot of work. I've been digging up the foundation by hand and will be raising the house this month.

    Slowly getting into the flow here, talking to neighbours, planting a garden, cooking a lot more. Its alright.

    When this freakin covid dies (who knows when) I will sell the house, pack a bag, and head for Thailand.


    I miss Thailand a great deal, but I don't regret my decision to get out when I did.



    * we just had all restrictions lifted July 20. I still wear a mask shopping as do 70% of the others. Things are returning to normal a bit but the general feeling is it will come back to haunt us this fall. Who knows
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    I've been surfing Bangkok Twitter lately and its rough. Ppl are at their wits end.


    Nick in bangkok

    Anyone else is literally hopeless and tired of this never-ending lifestyle? I had enough, I don't see the end, I never thought I would say this but everything that makes Bangkok an amazing city is gone, I don't see no point on living here no more.

    Here is Bangkok Phil

    Everything that made Bangkok fun including the night life, shopping, food and attractions is a shell of itself right now. People there are fighting to not get sick.
    https://twitter.com/Ajarncom/status/...499563525?s=20

    Aaron

    A significant portion of my social circle here in Bkk is suffering with mental health issues. It's not just being stuck in their room all day. It's financial hardship, loss of healthy social outlets, ability to exercise and live a normal life with no end in sight.

    Stickboy

    Covid cases in Thailand continue to rise despite over a year of widespread mask wearing, endless closures and a large part of the population hiding at home - even a blind man like me can see these measures aren't working. Bin masks Open the parks & pubs Go outside

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    Quote Originally Posted by withnallstoke View Post
    Been a gas for me, being a bank robber by trade, and a bit of a needle pusher on the side.

    Next week I'm starting to build the prototype rocket for my scheduled loony landing in Timbuckfuckingtwo off the proceeds.


    Nah, it's been shit. Business gone bust, wife went mental, now it feels like the last 20 years have been flushed down the shitter.

    Very confused as to what the fuck is going on.
    Sorry to hear that buddy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    I've been surfing Bangkok Twitter lately and its rough. Ppl are at their wits end.
    Yeah BS, BKK is really upside down. Many of the Thai folks I work with live in BKK and commute down to Chonburi to the other factory then return home on the weekend to be in full quarantine. They all basically live on Grab delivery and never go out. I chat with 4 or 5 every day. They send me real time pics of their current lives. I doubt I could ever do BKK in those conditions. Glad I live up north.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    I've been surfing Bangkok Twitter lately and its rough. Ppl are at their wits end.
    Nick in Bangkok and the others probably don't read poetry beyond what is scratched onto shithouse walls, but maybe they should read Rudyard Kipling's poem "If".

    An excerpt...

    If you can keep your head when all about you
    Are losing theirs and blaming it...


    Complete poem at If— by Rudyard Kipling - Poems | Academy of American Poets
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    Quote Originally Posted by happynz View Post
    Nick in Bangkok and the others probably don't read poetry beyond what is scratched onto shithouse walls, but maybe they should read Rudyard Kipling's poem "If".

    An excerpt...

    If you can keep your head when all about you
    Are losing theirs and blaming it...


    Complete poem at If— by Rudyard Kipling - Poems | Academy of American Poets
    Do you know of any of these guys ? Bkk Phil is an Ajarm guy apparently

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    I've been in north Laos (Luang Prabang) the whole time. Nothing has changed for me (I teach science online), but the local tourism sector has been devastated, with maybe 80-90% of hotels and restaurants closed for good.

    Only 7 deaths from Covid in Laos, but more recently there are thousands of virus cases from Lao workers returning from Thailand, who are quarantined of course. Free vaccinations for locals and foreigners - I got AZ months ago.

    I miss my Bangkok shopping trips - I'm looking like a tramp due to the poor choice of clothing in the markets!
    Groping women when you're old is fine - everyone thinks you're senile

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcusb View Post
    I didn't trust the Thai govt to do things properly
    Indeed and the core problem causing the ever worsing situation here. For us that have been in the country for many years, the writing was on the wall the moment the gov shut down the country and announced a local vaccine producer would be the major supplier for Thailand.

    Resulting in the total chaos we have now. A chaos which will only get worse. If you are now considering returning to Thailand, suggest you don't.

    Aside from getting irritated upon occasion my personal life here in Ban Nok has changed little. Of course, would like to get a jab to reduce chances of getting infected and croaking so atm my focus is on doing so.

    Got a 100% for sure jab scheduled 5 Sept. First 100% for sure jab didn't happen so we will see if the 2nd works out 5 Sept.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    life is just bloody peachy for me, had to shut a guesthouse and a restaurant/bar down due to lack of tourists, i bailed out last August and returned to Perth, Australia and am now in process of dumping everything in Thailand and bringing the missus over here to work.
    on that note, anybody want some dogs ?
    cannot see Thailand recovering for a year or two the only good thing was landlord has allowed us to store our belongings in guesthouse rent free for two years as he knows it is unprintable and i will return.

    anybody want 3 dogs ?

    Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by moose65 View Post
    cannot see Thailand recovering for a year or two
    Agree. The October opening of Thailand the gov claims may be true for Oct 2022 if all goes well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    If you are now considering returning to Thailand, suggest you don't.
    Honestly Norton returning fully vaccinated isn't such a bad thing and being in a Yellow Zone isn't that tough. I will admit being here right now is easier in the bigger picture, its not our home anymore. We could stay much longer however we left the house and property in the trusting hands of my Niece and FIL. They are doing a great job and the zoo animals are still alive. But we like being at our compound and I will enjoy my work conference calls being during the day versus super early morning or very late at night.

    That said, I absolutely wouldn't consider any leisure travel to Thailand. It's just not worth the cost and stress and with lock downs everywhere, what would people do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moose65 View Post
    had to shut a guesthouse and a restaurant/bar down due to lack of tourists
    sorry to hear. It's a pretty common situation for many sadly and your assessment of a few years until some normalcy is probably a safe and fair one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2 View Post
    and your assessment of a few years until some normalcy
    I suspect quite a few years too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2 View Post
    its not our home anymore
    Completely understand. I would feel same if in the US.
    However, as you note, coming here for a visit or to resume a job really should be put off.

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    life is great, Pattaya muchly imporved without all the annoying tourists.

    Work is going gang busters, crazy crazy busy.

    All in all, am loving it !!

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    ...shocked out of Covid complacency when our Juristic Person informed us that a foreigner renting in our building had been taken to a local hospital by his company-ordered ambulance after presenting with unspecified symptoms. The JP swung into action by sanitizing (and re-sanitizing) all building elevators, the entire floor of his condo, the interior of his condo (with permission) and recommending that his neighbors get tested immediately (no info supplied as to where or how). After the stigmatized miscreant's return, he'll be confined to his condo unit, any food deliveries will be brought to his room by JP staff along with daily garbage removal. I wonder if he'll be forced to wear a large "C" on his sleeve after he recovers...
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    I hav very few complaints from a personal perspective, just very sad to see the local tourism industry collapse. It has been like dominoes falling in slow motion. Many locals just carried on as normal. The big chain hotel groups can absorb so much loss of customers, but for how long?

    The local Indonesian owned and staffed SMEs have been the hardest hit, with loss of customers, followed by loss of income, and staff with no job, no money and no home, migrating back to home villages.

    From 3 July restrictions on contact and work were enforced on a near national basis. With hindsight, this should probably have been implemented 18 months ago. Having struggled on with small businesses, the locals are reluctant to let go of what’s left now, and some are simply refusing to close, on the principle of no business, no food for family.

    The vaccine situation here was given priority due to the importance of tourism to the local economy. I got AZ x 2 earlier this year for free. As of now, 25% of Bali population has both vaccines, a 50/50 mix of AZ and Sinovac.
    The rest of the country has been getting Sinovac, but free stuff from the west is starting to arrive in significant numbers. Pfizer, Moderna etc either direct from donation or via the WHO Covax scheme.

    The big issue is third world infrastructure in everything from recording, reporting and testing, making it impossible to track the source of infections across a huge archipelago, with a massive population.

    That aside, I am ok. Decent weather, decent food, mostly self prepared or delivered. Nice digs and not too expensive.
    Hopefully, by this time next year, the travel options might be better to return to UK, but for now, all is hunky dory for me.

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    I've been in Mongolia since the pandemic started, at first it was odd- for many months zero cases thanks to a very strict border closure apart from Mongolians coming home- 3 weeks hotel quarantine then 2 weeks more at home. Then there was an issue at one of the hotels, and it broke out into the community. Schools have pretty much been closed for the whole pandemic, even when Mongolia had zero cases. The economy is in free fall and people are understandably quite angry now as a lot of aid given to Mongolia has just vanished. Schools are set to reopen on September 1st, but I wonder how long it will last. I fear these 2 years of school closures will haunt Mongolia for decades, most state schools don't have internet-rural Mongolia as essentially gone without education for 2 years and people are pissed.

    Myself? I guess I have done okay, not gone crazy and online school gave a sense of routine, even if I do kinda hate it compared to in person teaching.I did my PGCEi in the first year and helped mentor a teacher on that Teach Now platform the second year, so I've been busy and purposefully distracting myself from the reality of it I guess. Less concerned about myself, and more concerned about the mental well-being of my family back home. The mental effect on my dad and brother seems to have been quite bad-mum just misses having a social life. Hopefully I will get to see them next year.

    I'm a bit concerned about this winter and what it will mean for new cases. Debating moving on from Mongolia after this-work is cool but the years of lockdown make me want to think about moving somewhere that struck more of a balance.

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