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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    I addressed something in the fucking , article.
    No you didn't, you addressed the whole article.

    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    You can question some of the design choices like an adult. But you cant just call it a piece of shit , like your article did -and expect to be taken seriously.
    Now show me where they call it a piece of shit.

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    Once again, Socalled has no idea what he is talking about, yet he keeps talking.

    The author of the article also spoke to actual avionics experts that know plane design. He didn't get his info from a stupid web forum full of wannabe gopnik fuckboys who stroke each other off talking about how good the Russian kit is, like you did.

    You are a real bozo backspit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    No you didn't, you addressed the whole article.



    Now show me where they call it a piece of shit.
    Did you read it ? The whole tone of the article is screaming shit

    It said the su 57 is dead last in stealth.


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    With your frantic attempts to justify your silliness and lack of knowledge I only see this Skidmark.

    Russia to unveil brand new 5th gen fighter jet-giphy-4-gif

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    "Copy and Waste" made by Skidmark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    won't be many years and all this stuff will be sans pilot anyway.
    Cheaper, better faster sort of thing without pilots.
    One example.
    Russia’s ‘invincible’ Zircon missile hits test target

    Defense ministry said it plans to equip both warships and subs with the Zircon hypersonic weapon


    by Dave Makichuk July 20, 2021

    Russia to unveil brand new 5th gen fighter jet-zircon-png


    "The Zircon hypersonic cruise missile — the weapon Russian President Vladimir Putin boldly called “invincible” — was successfully tested on July 19, the Russian Defense Ministry announced.
    Also called the Tsirkon, the weapon was fired from the Admiral Gorshkov frigate, hitting a ground target off the coast of the Barents Sea, Aerotime Hub reported.



    Officials said the 3M22 Zircon traveled at over 350 kilometers (217 miles) and reached a top speed of nearly Mach 7 (8,643 km/h or 5,370 mph).


    “According to live monitoring data, the Zircon missile successfully hit a target directly at a range of over 350 kilometers,” the Ministry said in a statement quoted by Interfax. “During the test, the tactical and technical characteristics were confirmed.”

    The Kremlin has made modernizing the country’s arsenals a top priority amid the tensions with the West that followed Russia’s 2014 annexation of Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula.


    Footage distributed by the defense ministry (attached below) showed the Admiral Gorshkov warship launching the cruise missile at a target on the Barents Sea coast.



    The Zircon has a two-stage propellant system that uses a solid-fuel propellant to bring it up to speed, then is powered by a scramjet combustion engine, The National Interest reported.


    Traveling in the Mach 7+ range generates so much kinetic energy that even a concrete-filled warhead would create a massive explosion if it hit the ground — or a massive hole in an aircraft carrier.


    Given the shape of the missile and comparative weight to the P-800, which it is based on, it’s probably safe to assume the Zircon has a warhead of 200 kilograms or less.


    While the Zircon is not interceptable by any known means, it is unlikely to be able to take out more hardened NATO installations due to its small warhead.



    The seeker and guidance package of the Zircon is also practically unknown. While it likely uses radar homing of some variety, the accuracy of the missile is unknown.



    Putin revealed the development of the new weapon in a state of the nation address in February 2019, saying it could hit targets at sea and on land with a range of 1,000 kilometers and a speed of Mach 9, TheDefensePost reported.

    The defense ministry has said it plans to equip both warships and submarines with the Zircon.
    The missile has undergone several recent tests and in October last year Putin described one of the test firings as a “great event not just in the life of our armed forces but for all of Russia.”

    NATO responded to Monday’s test with a statement that claimed Russia’s missile development “create a greater risk of escalation and miscalculation,” CTV News reported.



    “Russia’s new hypersonic missiles are highly destabilizing and pose significant risks to security and stability across the Euro-Atlantic area,” the statement said.


    “NATO allies are committed to respond in a measured way to Russia’s growing array of conventional and nuclear-capable missiles,” the alliance said.


    “We will not mirror what Russia does, but we will maintain credible deterrence and defense, to protect our nations.”


    Russia has boasted of developing several weapons that circumvent existing defense systems, including the Sarmat intercontinental missiles and Burevestnik cruise missiles, TheDefensePost reported.


    Western experts have linked a deadly blast at a test site in northern Russia in 2019 — which caused a sharp spike in local radiation levels — to the Burevestnik nuclear-powered cruise missile, revealed by Putin in 2018.




    The Russian Defense Ministry is also testing a nuclear-capable air-launched hypersonic missile called the Kinzhal.


    In late June 2021, Russian MiG-31K fighter jets that can be equipped with Kinzhal missiles were deployed at Khmeimim airbase, in Syria.

    https://asiatimes.com/2021/07/putins-invincible-zircon-missile-hits-test-target/


    One wonders when Japan, South Korea, Gulf States, EU, OZ and GB will consider being ameristan aircraft carriers has become a liability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    One wonders when Japan, South Korea, Gulf States, EU, OZ and GB will consider being ameristan aircraft carriers has become a liability.
    They won't because this shit is all propaganda that lemmings like you the other three idiots/shills swallow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Did you read it ? The whole tone of the article is screaming shit
    You read the "highlights" but not the entire article you dimwit. Several aviation experts were quoted in the article. It is spot on to anyone who knows aviation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    It said the su 57 is dead last in stealth.
    Because it is.

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    Without wishing to piss too much on hoohoo's strawberries, even the Indians have had a hypersonic missile since the 2000's....


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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
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    Because it is.
    Wow. Such articulate reasoning there. An aircraft has either been computer designed to be stealth or it isn't. This idea that the su 57 is "dead last", "because" is not an argument.





    The su 57 has a smaller silhouette than the F-22. Nevermind the J-20. But hey, dead last bru.

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    Its weird for watch otherwise sane people delude themselves. Its su 57 derangement syndrome


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    Top 10 Best Fighter Jets in the World Today - PickyTop

    They rate it as the third best plane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Top 10 Best Fighter Jets in the World Today - PickyTop

    They rate it as the third best plane.
    I guess when there's an air war we'll find out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I guess when there's an air war we'll find out.
    I'd prefer 'if'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Top 10 Best Fighter Jets in the World Today - PickyTop

    They rate it as the third best plane.

    Ok list I guess. But the su 57 and F-22 have to be the top 2. They are the air superiority fighters. The specs of both of them are a step above everything else. With the phase 2 engine, the su 57 will have slightly more thrust to weight than the F-22.

    But whatever. The Russians should be proud of the F-35 too. Its a follow on of a Soviet design.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Here is the new su-75 Light multirole fighter


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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    stupid web forum full of wannabe gopnik fuckboys who stroke each other off talking about how good the Russian kit is, like you did.

    .


    I'm not sure what fuckboys have to do with anything. But I'm not a member of F-16.net - The ultimate F-16, F-22, F-35 reference

    It's just a military forum. Most countries have an English one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    shit is all propaganda
    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    They rate it as the third best plane.
    Amatures, try this one:

    Reminiscence of the Future...



    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    the Indians have
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    One example.
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    ^

    Another "propaganda opinion piece". It covers a few current topics.

    Planes, missiles, air defence systems etc:

    Those Good Ol' Systems.


    "Some people are in distress over yet another, how to put it politely, less than satisfactory performance by Israeli weapon systems.

    MOSCOW (AP) — Syria's air defense forces shot down seven out of eight missiles launched by Israeli warplanes during a raid that targeted the Syrian province of Aleppo, the Russian military said Tuesday. Rear Adm. Vadim Kulit, the head of the Russian military's Reconciliation Center in Syria, said that four Israeli F-16 fighter jets targeted facilities southeast of Aleppo in Monday's strike. Kulit said seven of eight missiles launched by the Israeli fighter jets were downed by Syrian air defense units that used Russia-supplied air defense systems Pantsyr-S and Buk-M2. One missile damaged the building of a scientific research center in Safira, he said. A Syrian military official previously said in remarks carried by the state news agency SANA that Israel carried out an aerial attack in the Aleppo province late Monday. He said that Syrian air defenses shot down most of the missiles in the attack that occurred just before midnight.

    By now it became a routine, really. Israel gets its combat aircraft into the international air space and launches missiles at allegedly Iranian assets in Syria. Syrians, most likely, get early warning from Russians and then shoot down most of the missiles by S1s and Buks. Give Syrians Air Defense a due credit--they are getting really good at it.

    Obviously such numbers are very disturbing for the Israeli and the United States Air Forces which get a bit of a taste of what even fairly straight-forward and not newest, to say the least, Air Defense can do. Now, even when linearly extrapolated on Russian Air Defense, one gets a very good feel about "leakage" rates and survivability of attacking aircraft in case of real shooting war. A very low probability of such a survival.


    While the whole world discusses new Russian fighter whose first flight is scheduled in 2023 (in Russian), and, as it turned out, what is being shown to public IS NOT a static mock up but an actual aircraft which will take to the skies in 2023. I can hear cries from pain (you know, butt-hurt) from many quarters and I can hear Almaz-Antey laughing all the way to the bank. Now, about this 7.5 ton payload--rumor has it that this number is ONLY for the internal bays. If true (will know soon)--it is an amazing aircraft. Kyle Mizokami, being an ignorant journo that he is, tries, however, to put a good face on:

    Could Checkmate indeed, uh, checkmate the F-35? It’s way too early to tell. But if UAC can keep costs down and stick to its development schedule, it could hurt the F-35 in the foreign sales market. The F-35 is the equivalent of a Mercedes Benz, but there are plenty of countries that would be perfectly happy to have a Hyundai.

    For Myzokami:

    The US Air Force Quietly Admits the F-35 Is a Failure


    To call this barely flying POS a "high end" and compare it to Mercedes is an insult to good engineering and combat experience. On the other hand, Mercedes, together with most German cars, consistently takes the lead as one of the least reliable and monstrously expensive vehicles to fix. Alleged Mercedes' advantages over "competitors" (Toyota laughs at such statements), it's dick enlargement factor and "luxury" to feed the ego of wealthy has zero real value, and since Mizokami mentioned Hyundai I saw a new Sonata two days ago on the parking lot of our local Safeway--it is a gorgeous car for a fraction of price and has it all. At least Mercedes, when it drives, can drive fast, "high end" F-35 cannot even fucking fly supersonic:

    The F-35 Has a Problem With Going Supersonic, But the DoD Does Not Want to Fix it

    Let alone have super-maneuverability and super-cruise, which new Sukhoi "Checkmate" has. But sure...

    To understand the level of butt-hurt, stupidity and delusion of these people, enough to listen to America's foremost "patriot" and "expert" John Bolton, who with a straight face delivered this few days ago.


    Yes, of course, if F-35 is a "high end" and a Mercedes of the combat aircraft, then who can forget a brilliant "victory" in Vietnam and surely "not being defeated" in Afghanistan.The level of a butt-hurt is off the scale."

    http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2021/07/those-good-ol-systems.html#disqus_thread


    Then there are the comments.


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    Yeah those Buks seem pretty useful against certain types of aircraft, don't they?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    It's just a military forum. Most countries have an English one.
    You are an idiot.

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    Just to preemt propaganda that Bsnub will end up hearing on his end.

    Aviation Week did a podcast with Steve Trimble and another guy on the su 75. They take the jet itself at face value. But the main takeaway to them is the usual BS. UAC has a lot of debt , this is basically a glorified plywood model. And they must find financing from a buyer to develop it yadayada. And of course , they bring up India backing out of FGFA. Yet Russia fully developed that and put it into production without India. And having India involved would have actually slowed down the project rather than speed it up.

    He said even if one of these does fly, it could still be a glorified mockup that still needs to be developed. It's impossible with these guys. So now even if they rolled that thing out of the pavillion and flew it, they would still say it's a mockup that needs money.

    Then he says Northrop development a similar jet for export out of its own pocket and of course Rostec and UAC can't do that. Even though it looks like that is exactly what UAC is doing and has done to this point.

    Russia can finance this with a buy order. That's probably all it needs. If they get an order , they can fill it. It doesn't need financing to just develop it. Even though UAE might put in some money. Because they are trying to diversify their economy. And they've put money in the Aurus car and MC-21 for the same reason.

    All and all , it's su 57 2.0. They were writing that the su 57 was cancelled in the same year that it went into production.

    The key thing to consider is that they, unlike normal persons, have no need for being respectable or decent. They can continue to peddle the same BS, following the same already tired framework used to smear the Su-57 and summarized in that terrific diagram of the adoption phases of Russian military HW linked some pages before and be considered total retards by anyone with a minimum of knowledge about the issues. But they are kept in place voicing their propaganda even when they have been discredited and proved false one million times.

    Totally agree with the example from India, FGFA proved that today's Russia has no need to engage in ludicrous stunts to pay for their developments. When they go public with a project like this it means there is a sponsor and the design is done, at least. As anything strategic, the development of the Russian industry is not made contingent on foreign decisions.

    Podcast: Sizing Up Russia’s New Light Fighter | Aviation Week Network
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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    5 days from now, Russia will unveil a brand new 5th generation stealth fighter. This will be a low mix light fighter intended to go up against F-35's and F-16's. The su 57 is Russia's first 5th gen air superiority heavy fighter. This will be the second.




    Rostec , Russia's main military export concern, says that there is interest from 5 countries for export. India, Argentina, Vietnam, Algeria and the UAE

    Did anyone notice that the body style seems somewhat familiar?
    let's face it, these aircraft today are at the point that no person can handle the G's of what the aircraft can perform. Bombing and straifing fine but full on turning combat (avoiding missiles) is becoming beyond the reach of human endurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by havnfun View Post
    Did anyone notice that the body style seems somewhat familiar?
    let's face it, these aircraft today are at the point that no person can handle the G's of what the aircraft can perform. Bombing and straifing fine but full on turning combat (avoiding missiles) is becoming beyond the reach of human endurance.

    Yes Deeks. Its physics mostly. The iron laws of aerodynamics and stealth make all aircraft look the same. The real copy in the copy war's I'd say is the Chinese J-31 (Mig 29 chassis, Lockheed body kit) is far more of a copy than this su 75 aircraft is.


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    Imagine being a Chinese airman.

    Get in and fly it, "you better do a good job" as bits and pieces start falling off

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    Fuck me, skidmark and deeks teaming up.

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