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    There is also the not so small risk of mutation, into something even worse. Something that might make your knob turn green and yellow, then drop off. Or worse.
    Get vaccinated, get the jabs out, stop pissing about. No matter the diatribes, a jab even 50% effective reduces the risk of transmission, and mortality by way more than 50%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post

    The main problem here is that Australia has been slow to get the vaccine out. Having done so well in the earlier stages of the pandemic, that was a dumb mistake.
    Like Thailand, Australia put its early bet on a home grown product, and as such did not order much from overseas. Poor choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff View Post
    How can they not let you? They do not own it.
    Great question and one the HR dept was not able to answer with any type of clarity other than "Hospital is following direction in that only one Foreigner per company can receive the AZ vaccine"

    I was offered Sinopharm though, which I declined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fondles View Post
    Great question and one the HR dept was not able to answer with any type of clarity other than "Hospital is following direction in that only one Foreigner per company can receive the AZ vaccine"

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    Sadly I would think that was a case of "making shit up as they go". Never seen or heard anything like that elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    1. Countries approved it because the chinkies have given it to them.
    2. "who for the most part know what they are doing".. Who, the chinkies? Not really...
    It is interesting (to me) that Delta was found in Guangdong some weeks back and recently there has not been much news on what is happening. If the Chinese vaccines are not effective against the Delta then there will be a reckoning if it starts spreading in China's largest cities.

    This from MSN:

    EXPLAINER-Are Chinese COVID-19 shots effective against the Delta variant?

    The lack of detailed data on the Chinese vaccines against the Delta has hobbled any meaningful peer reviews by foreign experts.

    Researchers found that Chinese vaccines are somewhat effective in reducing the risk of symptomatic and severe cases caused by Delta, Zhong Nanshan, a epidemiologist who helped shape China's COVID-19 response, told reporters.

    It is based on analysis of infections in Guangzhou city, and Zhong told Reuters the results are preliminary and the sample size is small.

    Sinovac spokesman Liu Peicheng told Reuters preliminary results based on blood samples from those vaccinated with its shot showed a three-fold reduction in neutralizing effect against the Delta.

    He said a booster shot following the two dose-based regimen could quickly elicit stronger and more durable antibody reaction against the Delta. However, he didn't provide detailed data.

    Antibodies triggered by two Chinese vaccines are less effective against the Delta compared with other variants, Feng Zijian, former deputy director at the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, told state media last week.

    Feng did not provide details including the name of the two vaccines.

    The shots could still offer protection, since none of those vaccinated in southern Guangdong province, where China's first cases of the Delta variant were found, developed severe symptoms. All severe cases are from unvaccinated people.

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    I found out today that there are 4 in our village with covid and several in neighbouring villages. They all caught it in Bangkok. The Bangkok hospitals say they are full and can't treat them. The result is they have to go to their homes, according to id, and be treated in their local hospital. Problem is local hospitals don't have capacity to treat so they stay at home waiting.

    I can't think of a better way to spread the virus around the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    Sadly I would think that was a case of "making shit up as they go". Never seen or heard anything like that elsewhere.
    It was reiterated 3 days later when the staff all showed up, my boss was asking them why it was only 1 foreigner and that the company had pre-paid the doses purchased..

    Nope they were adamant.

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    That's a ridiculous story, because its Thailand. I believe it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Data is available every day. With comprehensive linked articles:
    That is not the data scientists need, you chump.

    Scientists specifically would benefit from a broad cross section of data about vaccinations by age group, health conditions and corresponding antibody results, qualified by time between doses and time after second vaccination.

    But of course health services are doing this themselves - which is why they are starting to give people an extra dose of Pfizer or Astrazeneca....

    Here's some meaningful information:

    Sinovac-produced antibodies 'halve every 40 days'

    In first, Thailand to mix Sinovac, AstraZeneca vaccine doses | Reuters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe 90 View Post
    That's a ridiculous story, because its Thailand. I believe it.
    Do not get me wrong, I have no doubts that is what happened....

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    Do not get me wrong, I have no doubts that is what happened....
    I believe it also but the reason given about only 1 farang allowed is pure BS. Made up reason to cover the fact the hospital does not have the AZ jab available. None of the private hospitals in Roi Et have it and don't expect to have it until October. Of course they are more than happy to let you prepay to get in the queue.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    I believe it also but the reason given about only 1 farang allowed is pure BS. Made up reason to cover the fact the hospital does not have the AZ jab available. None of the private hospitals in Roi Et have it and don't expect to have it until October. Of course they are more than happy to let you prepay to get in the queue.
    The company I work for purchased 130 doses and 130 staff received them.

    There is a second deliver of AZ coming soon to Chonburi (2 weeks I think) and my boss is trying to get allocation for the other 125 staff here.... as well as myself and the other foreigners refused in the first round.

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    The UK has a population similar to Thailand's and has logged over 150,000 deaths where Covid is mentioned on the death certificate.

    The UK has about 8.1 nurses and midwives per 1,000 of the population. Thailand has about 2.8. (World Bank data from 2018).

    The UK had an early vaccination program and has had some serious lockdowns. Thailand, well, let's just say the majority are unvaccinated and the program is something of a 'hope to do'.

    In the circumstances, can anyone tell me how Thailand is going to end up with Covid death numbers below the UK's? (Without fudging the numbers.)

    I am trying to be objective. I simply cannot see how they can contain it at this late stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    In the circumstances, can anyone tell me how Thailand is going to end up with Covid death numbers below the UK's? (Without fudging the numbers.)
    Do you really think that Thailand has more Covid death than UK? The first year there were here nearly no cases (also not much restrictions), only in the last months seeing some substantial figures.

    But what I do not believe - roughly seen:
    The UK has about 8.1 nurses and midwives per 1,000 of the population. Thailand has about 2.8. (World Bank data from 2018).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Do you really think that Thailand has more Covid death than UK?
    No.

    No he doesn't.

    Try reading his post again.

    Concentrate particularly on this line:

    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    In the circumstances, can anyone tell me how Thailand is going to end up with Covid death numbers below the UK's? (Without fudging the numbers.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Try reading his post again.
    Perhaps a good advice for you. Why not let the author of the comment explain his query:
    (Without fudging the numbers.)
    I am trying to be objective. I simply cannot see how they can contain it at this late stage.

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    I was just saving Shutree some time, not having to respond to someone who frequently has problems understanding fairly basic English.

    No need to thank me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    I was just saving Shutree some time, not having to respond to someone who frequently has problems understanding fairly basic English.
    Yes it has become quite obvious that his comprehension of written English is just as bad as his attempt to write using it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    I am trying to be objective. I simply cannot see how they can contain it at this late stage.
    Especially when their primary vaccine source is selling its production to Thailand's neighbours instead of supplying them to the government as promised.

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    No, I'm afraid it's looking terrible really.

    I'm looking into hiring a car and driving from Pattaya to Chiang Mai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    No, I'm afraid it's looking terrible really.

    I'm looking into hiring a car and driving from Pattaya to Chiang Mai.
    Careful, they might actually be manning the roadblocks now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    The UK has a population similar to Thailand's and has logged over 150,000 deaths where Covid is mentioned on the death certificate.

    The UK has about 8.1 nurses and midwives per 1,000 of the population. Thailand has about 2.8. (World Bank data from 2018).

    The UK had an early vaccination program and has had some serious lockdowns. Thailand, well, let's just say the majority are unvaccinated and the program is something of a 'hope to do'.

    In the circumstances, can anyone tell me how Thailand is going to end up with Covid death numbers below the UK's? (Without fudging the numbers.)

    I am trying to be objective. I simply cannot see how they can contain it at this late stage.
    Isnt the uk basicaly like.... This morbidly obese 130 yr old that has just gone knee's up in his mothers basement has the covids found during autopsy = death caused by covids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Careful, they might actually be manning the roadblocks now.
    I'll be good with my post-QT paperwork.

    But the way it's going there might be no inter-provincial travel at all by next week.

    That's actually what they should do, of course.

    It might leave me in a bit of a bind though.

    Still, loytoy doesn't know anyone who has it.

    So there's that.


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    You can't stop inter-provincial travel. It's impossible.

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    Stop it completely? No.

    But if the will were there it could be hugely curtailed.

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