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    should people be forced to get vaccinated

    More stories are appearing about workplaces enforcing rules concerning vaccinations and jobs

    is this acceptable ?

    should you lose you job if your refuse to get vaccinated for covid-19 ? is discrimination against anti-vaxxers acceptable ?

    if some ones social media indicates they are anti vaccination , should that be allowed to be taken into account during the hiring process ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    should you lose you job if your refuse to get vaccinated for covid-19 ?
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    is discrimination against anti-vaxxers acceptable ?
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    if some ones social media indicates they are anti vaccination , should that be allowed to be taken into account during the hiring process ?
    No.

    Most people want the vaccination, and theres only a few nutters out there who refuse to get it, so if people dont want it and dont care if they get sick then let them carry on. Everyone else is vaccinated so who gives a shit.

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    Tricky question, but then overriding individual rights in the name of the public good has long precedent so not exactly a new one either.

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    Not forced per se, but certain privilege's for those vaccinated.
    in an investment the return is always directly proportional to the risk (or should be) , the vaccine is no different, a person made an investment , took a risk and should be compensated.
    I find it funny that conservatives want the government to stay out of our lives except when it comes to issues that are important to them. The government should not require people to be vaccinate for the good of all, but should require businesses to compromise their business model, and hire unvaccinated people. same on reproductive rights, end of life, religion etc.
    A bit schichofrenic don't you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    and theres only a few nutters out there who refuse to get it
    It's not a few though it's a significant number.

    Take a look at your own countrymen:

    1 in 4 Americans Don't Want A Vaccine, Putting Herd Immunity At Risk : Shots - Health News : NPR

    A lot of your fellow Trump supporters in that I'm willing to bet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    Most people want the vaccination, and theres only a few nutters out there who refuse to get it, so if people dont want it and dont care if they get sick then let them carry on. Everyone else is vaccinated so who gives a shit.
    That would be nice if it was true, but it's not.
    there are enough nutters out there to block herd immunity, create new variants and hurt us all.
    You don't want to get vaccinated? fine, if you dont want to play the rules stay in the sidelines.

    PS: AntRoberson beat me to the above answer

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    Kinda funny to see anti-vax 'pro-lifers' desperately trying to cognitive dissonance their arguments against vaccination on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Kinda funny to see anti-vax 'pro-lifers'
    Im neither of these things, but dont let that get in your way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    should you lose you job if your refuse to get vaccinated for covid-19 ?
    Absolutely. It is totally up to the employer.

    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    is discrimination against anti-vaxxers acceptable ?
    It is not discrimination, if it for the greater good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    You don't want to get vaccinated? fine, if you dont want to play the rules stay in the sidelines.
    I want to get vaccinated, but I dont really give a shit if others refuse to get it. The "variant" problem and "hurting us all" strawman isnt going to be much of an issue in countries where the OP's question would even be possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    so if people dont want it and dont care if they get sick then let them carry on. Everyone else is vaccinated so who gives a shit.
    You still haven't figured out how the whole thing works, have you





    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Tricky question, but then overriding individual rights in the name of the public good has long precedent so not exactly a new one either.
    When it's as cut and dried as this issue, covid-19, I'd suggest the public good overrides the individual right - plus . . . if it causes no harm.


    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    strawman
    Except it isn't . . . why are you so angry all the time?

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    I remember getting shots at school for I think it was smallpox and polio but it wasn't an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    should you lose you job if your refuse to get vaccinated for covid-19 ? is discrimination against anti-vaxxers acceptable ?
    Glanced a headline / tweet / something earlier that some US hospital as either fired or allowed to resign something like 130 staff for refusal to take a vaccine.


    Edit: it was Houston hospital and 153 staff apparently.

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    I believe that the UK Government are going to make it mandatory for all care home workers to be vaccinated. That reminds me, I saw this letter this morning, and couldn't help wonder if it might have come from one of SA's relatives.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    I remember getting shots at school for I think it was smallpox and polio but it wasn't an option.
    Same, probably most everyone here has . . . plus you need to be vaccinated to enter many schools etc...

    It's all just a re-hash for the whiny bunch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    I remember getting shots at school for I think it was smallpox and polio but it wasn't an option.

    Indeed. I also got multiple jabs in both the Army and later work for the USG - don't recall it being an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    More stories are appearing about workplaces enforcing rules concerning vaccinations and jobs
    is this acceptable ?
    ...definitely...

    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    should you lose you job if your refuse to get vaccinated for covid-19 ?
    ...if you work in a communal setting: yes; if you work at home, rarely go out and prefer to die alone: no.

    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    is discrimination against anti-vaxxers acceptable ?
    ...shunning might be a better term: no anti-vaxxer entry to normal shopping venues, schools or any location where near contact with others is likely (e.g. airplanes, trains, buses, ocean cruises)...individual allotments for growing their own food is fine...

    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    if some ones social media indicates they are anti vaccination , should that be allowed to be taken into account during the hiring process ?
    ...of course: few establishments are looking for anti-social, anti-science mouth-breathing Typhoid Marys...
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    I voted no to the title but still think it's a no regarding forced vaccination for employment.

    It would set an unacceptable precedent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    It would set an unacceptable precedent.
    ...we are in a health emergency: unfortunate precedents are acceptable to ensure social safety...

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    if you work in a complex industrial environment where somebody's decision making can cause a dangerous situation in a second , I think you should expect that your co-workers are of rational mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    I voted no to the title but still think it's a no regarding forced vaccination for employment.

    It would set an unacceptable precedent.
    Its never been a precedent. As Davis mentioned, its been mandatory for military service, and certainly for the companies that I've worked for its been location compulsory though country dependent. In certain countries, you can't even enter if you don't have a current (10 year) Yellow Fever certificate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    It would set an unacceptable precedent
    that the well being of a society is more important than personal freedom.
    It is nearly communism - can't have that in the US..

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    Theres a disconnect between "anti-vax" and "im not so sure about this particular vaccine"

    The latter seems to be grouped into the former when thats not really a fair assessment of the situation.

    Ill get the vaccination as soon as a decent one is available to me, but Im still a little apprehensive of it. Forcing an injection to participate in society when it still hasn't gone through long term studies and alot is still unknown is not exactly the right thing to do.

    If you work around old people or something like that, it makes sense, but giving employers and governments carte blanche over who can do what is wrong, at least at this point in the pandemic.

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    I still have vivid memories of the US Army 'air guns', that used pressurized air to fire multiple injections into you at one shot. If the medic didn't press it hard against your arm, the blast usually resulted in your falling back into formation with blood dripping off your fingertips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    I voted no to the title but still think it's a no regarding forced vaccination for employment.

    It would set an unacceptable precedent.
    There are already rafts of employment restraints or requirements depending: no drugs/alcohol; background and character checks; no associations...

    The list goes on.

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