Thread: should people be forced to get vaccinated

Originally Posted by Slick

Newsflash: You can still carry around and spread covid even though people have been vaccinated

oh - the science is conclusive on that then ?

A few GCC countries have essentially banned everyone unvaccinated from cinemas, shopping malls, etc. unless they get vaccinated.

I think this is a great approach.

If you don't want to be vaccinated, fill your boots, but fucked if you're going to be given the opportunity to spread the virus to other people.

Originally Posted by Slick

Newsflash: You can still carry around and spread covid even though people have been vaccinated. Some of the vaccinations more so than others, but true for all of them.

So what?

The chances of infection are drastically reduced, and even then the virus load is drastically reduced. Multiply those together and you get:

CDC: Out of 75 million fully vaccinated Americans, 5,800 got COVID-19, and 74 died

Originally Posted by Troy

I voted no to the title but still think it's a no regarding forced vaccination for employment.

It would set an unacceptable precedent.

What, like forcing you to have acceptable qualifications to do a skilled job?

Originally Posted by Slick

I bet theres at least some people who voted "yes" in the poll that would refuse and/or be pissed if their employer mandated they had to take the chink vaccine or lose their job and be alienated from society.

You mean like....

China to only allow foreign visitors who have had Chinese-made vaccine

I have a rather simple but elegant solution to that problem.

Originally Posted by Slick

Thats complete horseshit. Only thing consistent is that "the science" has been inconsistent. Masks, quarantine, models, who spreads and who doesn't, what venues spread and which ones dont. The USA at least has been one of the worst for complete bullshit "science"

You wear 2 masks dont ya, bShit.

I'm no rocket scientist but it strikes me that something like this is always the intended outcome for a vaccine.

CDC: Out of 75 million fully vaccinated Americans, 5,800 got COVID-19, and 74 died

Originally Posted by Slick

Im not so willing to write-off all the inexcusable behavior by some of "the scientists" guiding policy in the USA.

Sounds like someone's been watching Tucker again.

Originally Posted by Slick

Its not "nonsense" at all. This whole-ass time "scientists" have been flip-flopping on just about every point along the way.

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I will probably address other points in a separate post, but this literally made me laugh out loud.

The whole point is that scientists modify their viewpoint according to new information. That is science. We are here now, we get new information and now we are at another point.

Antivaxxer muppets, flat earthers and trump retards are the exact opposite. They form their viewpoint on little to no accurate information, and then stick to that come hell or highwater, irrespective of any new information.

Some how muppets see scientists changing their opinion/recommendation as a bad thing. That is the fucking joke.

Yeah, it's all about 'belief' for some.

That means not changing no matter how wrong you are.

No other form of life on this planet is afflicted in this way because it just gets killed off.

Perhaps antivaxers should be branded.
Something like `plague rat` on the forehead works for me.

You may be right on that Newsflash Slick. But common sense tells me that a sick anti vaxxer, anti masker walking around coughing spreading their snot around is going to be more contagious than somebody that is not sick.

Personally, it seems this is just another round in the ongoing skirmish between "rights" (of the individual) and "responsibilities" (to society).

If we live in a society, we CANNOT allow personal rights to be unchallenged, at least not without personal consequences.

Should we be strapping people down and injecting them against their will? No. We should not. But should we be saying that there is a personal COST to deciding not to be vaccinated - fuck yes.

In countries with socialized medicine, this should mean that if you get sick with a vaccine preventable disease that society was prepared to furnish to you- you PAY for your medical treatment. Your choice, your responsibility. In US - well, you get put in a room, given a couple of aspirin and told - good luck. We will check back on you in a week or two. Your choice, your responsibility.

Can you chose not to be vaccinated -yes. But as an employer I should be able to chose NOT to put myself and my staff at risk from you. Your choice - again, your responsibility for the consequences.

The problem (particularly in America) is that the balance has shifted too far. It is all (personal) rights, and no (personal) responsibility for your choices.

Answering the OPs question, I voted NO. BUT....that should come with some criteria attached to it. If you are required to work in an office or in public then I would answer Yes for the safety of the general population. However if your position f employment is solely a work from home then that should be the choice of the employee.

Contradicting myself a bit from above though, I do believe this vaccination should be required for all, Its a good, relatively low risk approach to curbing and controlling it. However my heartburn is and always has been that pharmaceutical companies see this as a HUGE billion dollar opportunity. I always remain a bit guarded with "rush to market" solutions as none of those blood suckers really care about anything but the financial gain. They hold no risk or liability. Its all upside with incredible margins. I will never ever partake in that annual flu shot BS.

My wife and I will get our Pfizer Or Moderna shots upon arrival to the US in a few weeks.

^ JPPR2 has summed up my feelings exactly. I vote no, because individual freedoms are important, but...

If your job does not require contact with the public, you should not be required to compromise your principles (however stupid they may be). But if you are a police officer, a teacher, a hospital employee, a clerk in a store... you should be vaccinated to protect OTHER people.

BTW, I had my substandard chinky shot yesterday. It may be roughly equivalent to a placebo, but I took it to at least LOOK like I was being responsible. I will have another shot in about 30 days. If Moderna or Pfizer become available in Thailand later this year, I will gladly take a 3rd shot - though, before I do so I will consult with a nephew, who is a researcher at Stanford Medical Center, to see what his opinion is.

Originally Posted by JPPR2

I will never ever partake in that annual flu shot BS.

It's a simple, proven vaccine that I've taken for years and have avoided the 'flu since I started.

Why is it "BS"?

I've had some seriously shitty flu's in the past, would rather avoid it if possible.

Obviously there is a bit of guesswork involved, but generally it does its job.

Originally Posted by qwerty

If your job does not require contact with the public, you should not be required to compromise your principles (however stupid they may be).

What about contact with fellow employees?

Absolutely, it was actually part of my residence renewal here. I work with kids, while they mostly get a mild case I have no idea about the health condtions that parents/grandparents might have. Anything that reduces severity and the spread is a good thing. Getting a vaccine is simple civil duty.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

What, like forcing you to have acceptable qualifications to do a skilled job?

Don't be silly.
I have reservations due to how systems can be abused rather than refusal to have the vaccine.
For example, I know of employers that are offering vaccinations to internal staff but not externals or freelancers. The same can apply to citizens vs residence holders to control immigration through the backdoor.

Yes should be mandatory. For those who refuse, accommodations should be made so all can live in a gated community. Not one of those posh ones where folks can't get in but rather one where the ignorant can't get out like those WW2 internment camps.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

It's a simple, proven vaccine that I've taken for years and have avoided the 'flu since I started.

Why is it "BS"?

I've had some seriously shitty flu's in the past, would rather avoid it if possible.

Obviously there is a bit of guesswork involved, but generally it does its job.

There are different types of flu active in different regions of the world in any single season. The shot is geared for a specific region and is not guaranteed in other regions.

I skipped flu shot this year. Just didn't see the point ironically(?) enough.

Originally Posted by JPPR2

I will never ever partake in that annual flu shot BS.

Yea, I didn't get this either - billions of shots as history . . . safe as houses . . . never had the flu here in five years . . . schools aren't closed down with hundreds of kids sick . . .



Why don't you like the flu vaccine, JP?

I see people are being anal about the thread title vs the poll question - I had thought rational people would have worked out the real question

I was just looking for a quick century

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

It's a simple, proven vaccine that I've taken for years and have avoided the 'flu since I started.

Why is it "BS"?

I've had some seriously shitty flu's in the past, would rather avoid it if possible.

Obviously there is a bit of guesswork involved, but generally it does its job.

Just personal preference. I have never ever had a flu shot and I have amazingly never had the flu. I am talking the knock you out bed shakes, terrible fever, sick flu. I have had sniffle colds but those usually blow through in a day or so. On the flipside, I have known many over the years that went and got the "Get your Flu shot free deal" and became brutally ill (My dad was one a 5 years back). So my argument is why inject yourself with it? Of course there are many conspiracy theories that the injection makes you a carrier and you spread it around. While I do not dive deep into it, it is or could be another wonderful way for pharmaceutical companies to generate revenue on both ends.

Let me be clear, I do not trust pharmaceutical companies. IMHO they are just legal drug pushers. They are always changing the requirements or lower the thresholds to make sure people are feared into buying or taking more. Do not get me wrong, there have been awesome medical discoveries that have been total game changers but those are far and few between. I do not know about other countries, but the US wants everyone medicated. Just watch TV. They stopped cigarette ads and replaced them with relentless drug commercials and the sheeple line up for their free sample. What is really scary is the side effects they list are worse than what its trying to help or cure.