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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    You're obviously cherry picking desperately.
    That is his MO along with being completely disingenuous. A total waste of oxygen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    I still cannot get my head around the fact there is no vaccine for the common cold and yet a vaccine for covid was developed in record time.

    I am not a conspiracy theorist but something does not add up from a common sense point of view.

    And I have not read anywhere that getting vaccinated actually works.

    Anyway if it requires that I need to be jabbed to be able to join normal social activity I will.
    That's because there is no such thing as the common cold. There is a vaccine for the flu, I had it several times, and since it mutates and changes every year , there is a new one every year,
    Unless there is a coordinated world wide effort to eradicate covid 19 , which I find impossible in todays political environment, I think the same will happen with Covid 19 , it will continually mutate in unvaccinated populations in "red states" and in countries either too poor or too stupid and travel being what it is now days it will find its way around the world.
    As a species we are to insane, on the aggregate, to survive.
    The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up.

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    I try to keep up with the latest news on vaccines, types and efficacy.

    Recently it seems that highly regarded medical influencers, with a degree of medical expertise, are recommending any competent vaccine double dose, followed by deliberate natural infection with the Covid-19 virus.

    They claim that such double lock treatments are much greater in preventing severe illness and death. Protection rates are claimed to rise dramatically, but detractors claim that this option is very dangerous.

    My concern is the lack of information available on mixing vaccine types, and the problem that could arise when booster shots are deployed.

    The personal tendency for me, is to get whatever protection is available, and to follow and support the most successful approaches based on global success rates.

    I got AZ doses In March and May this year. I have a national Indonesian app which now shows barcode proof of vaccination to support domestic travel, and access to shopping and entertainment facilities, as and when local restrictions are lifted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    I try to keep up with the latest news on vaccines, types and efficacy.

    Recently it seems that highly regarded medical influencers, with a degree of medical expertise, are recommending any competent vaccine double dose, followed by deliberate natural infection with the Covid-19 virus.

    They claim that such double lock treatments are much greater in preventing severe illness and death. Protection rates are claimed to rise dramatically, but detractors claim that this option is very dangerous.

    My concern is the lack of information available on mixing vaccine types, and the problem that could arise when booster shots are deployed.

    The personal tendency for me, is to get whatever protection is available, and to follow and support the most successful approaches based on global success rates.

    I got AZ doses In March and May this year. I have a national Indonesian app which now shows barcode proof of vaccination to support domestic travel, and access to shopping and entertainment facilities, as and when local restrictions are lifted.
    What are the dangers? a link Please. I read that several countries have conducted studies in the issue and have concluded the benefits you mentioned, but I did not read of any dangers of concern .
    "Dr Taliani noted that there might be some questions since this is the first time mRNA vaccines have been used to protect against infectious diseases but said there were no biological reasons that suggest mixing could be dangerous.
    “There is no biological reason why vaccines that use a different stimulus to the immune system could be harmful to any person,” she explained.

    Several world leaders have mixed vaccines in recent months. German Chancellor Angela Merkel, 66, received a second dose of the Moderna vaccine after receiving a first dose of AstraZeneca. "

    What you need to know about mixing COVID vaccines | Coronavirus pandemic News | Al Jazeera

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    Recently it seems that highly regarded medical influencers, with a degree of medical expertise, are recommending any competent vaccine double dose, followed by deliberate natural infection with the Covid-19 virus.
    Highly regarded by whom?

    With the risks of long term complications, I can't believe anyone in their right mind would "recommend" getting infected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    followed by deliberate natural infection with the Covid-19 virus.
    Waiting for Moderna?-giphy-gif-cid-790b76115093a4e4b277d06397719a0d1489fb606971553e-rid-giphy

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    You really have to wonder sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Highly regarded by whom?

    With the risks of long term complications, I can't believe anyone in their right mind would "recommend" getting infected.
    No link. It’s a synopsis of current trends that all. The bloke proposing voluntary infection following two doses of vaccine is the chief advisor to the German government and Angela Merkel. He has a few detractors in Germany apparently.
    He volunteered to try it such was his conviction about the positive outcome. He might be right, or he could be bonkers. Hence my reservations about lack of peer reviewed support for it.
    He is not the only one who believes it could be advantageous. Which is why I raised the topic.

    Cyrille can go fuck himself, the decrepit old bandwagon jumper. ��

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    No link. It’s a synopsis of current trends that all.
    So bullshit then.

    Here's an actual link about long covid in breakthrough infections, which suggests you'd have to be a fucking moron to deliberately infect yourself and expose yourself to the risk.

    The Delta Variant Is Causing Concern Over Long COVID, Even For The Vaccinated : Shots - Health News : NPR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    That's because there is no such thing as the common cold.
    Since when ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Cyrille can go fuck himself, the decrepit old bandwagon jumper.
    Decrepit? I’ll bet I’m in far better shape than you, you rotund dwarf. I’m also younger. As for mental shape, you just proved with that idiotic comment that all that cum guzzling has poisoned your grey matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    No link. It’s a synopsis of current trends that all. The bloke proposing voluntary infection following two doses of vaccine is the chief advisor to the German government and Angela Merkel. He has a few detractors in Germany apparently.
    I did find a link in English...

    10.09.2021: Genuine immunity only through vaccination and infection?

    Charité virologist Christian Drosten says in the current edition of his podcast "Coronavirus Update": "My goal - let's say: as virologist Drosten - how I would like to become immune now is: I want to have vaccine immunity and then saddling on top of that I definitely want to have my first general infection and the second and also the third." He has long since come to terms with this fact, Drosten continues. "And then I know I'm immune for a really long time." Regarding the risk of infection after vaccination, the virologist explains: he himself - as a healthy adult who has been vaccinated twice against the virus - can take responsibility for the risk. However, this does not apply to other people.
    Coronavirus in Germany

    Proposing for himself rather than everyone and acknowledged as being a risky approach.

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    Had it!!!!!!!!!!!! Pfizer and the nurse said to drink a lot of fluids so 4 bottles of Leo and laying another 30 bricks.

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    That 2nd Pfizer knocked the shit out of me.

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    ^ Apart from a tender jab area no reaction and my temperature is perfectly normal.

    I get the second jab next month so will wait and see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    ^ Apart from a tender jab area no reaction and my temperature is perfectly normal.

    I get the second jab next month so will wait and see what happens.
    Different people react differently, but for the most part not at all.
    Me , my wife, my sister and brother in law went together and all got our Pfizer shots together. My brother in law who is very allergic to shellfish , was concerned about the Pfizer reactions and wanted the Moderna, but when we got there the first shot, they were out of Moderna and he settled for the Pfizer shot.
    First shot we were all fine. A little soreness on the arm for a few hours. Went to sleep that night and woke up fine, much to the relief of my brother in law who was concerned.
    Second shot my brother in law whom we were concerned about was fine, but my sister for whom we had no worries was mildly ill for a few days. Both me and my wife were fine.
    So Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armstrong View Post
    That 2nd Pfizer knocked the shit out of me.
    I took my second shot first , to get it out of the way.

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    My wife and I had Moderna.

    1st shot was typical soreness in shot area. No other reactions. 2nd shot was again soreness in shot area. Wife had a mild fever about 3 hrs later that lasted about an hour. I had no reaction. My aging parents both had Moderna with no reactions to either inoculation.

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    For those who paid for and reseved moderna doses earlier this year — they've arrived.

    My hospital has sent a link and starting tomorrow I'll be able to choose my preferred apppointment time.



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    I had 2 Pfizers and now have an appointment to get Moderna —as a booster — next week.


    Kudos to my local hospital for a flawless online appointment system.




    Opinion: The case for Covid boosters just got stronger - CNN

    The results are startling: Compared to those who did not receive a third shot, the booster decreased the rate of hospitalization, severe disease and death from Covid-19 by about 80% to over 90%, no matter the person's sex, number of other underlying medical conditions, or age if over 40 years.



    Two doses of Pfizer, AstraZeneca shots effective against Delta variant: study | Reuters

    Wednesday's study found that two doses of Pfizer's shot was 88% effective at preventing symptomatic disease from the Delta variant, compared to 93.7% against the Alpha variant, broadly the same as previously reported.


    Two shots of AstraZeneca vaccine were 67% effective against the Delta variant, up from 60% originally reported, and 74.5% effective against the Alpha variant, compared to an original estimate of 66% effectiveness.




    How Long Pfizer & Moderna COVID-19 Vaccines Work

    New research, financed by Pfizer and published in The LancetTrusted Source, finds that while the Pfizer mRNA vaccine was 88 percent effective at preventing infection during the first month after a second dose — it was only 47 percent effective at preventing infection 5 months later.

    A recent study by Brigham and Women’s Hospital (BWH) researchers concluded that the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine was 93 percent effective at preventing illness, and more than 98 percent effective for preventing severe illness even 5 months after a second dose
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    BMJ Investigation Covid-19: Researcher blows the whistle on data integrity issues in Pfizer’s vaccine trial

    BMJ 2021; 375 doi: Covid-19: Researcher blows the whistle on data integrity issues in Pfizer’s vaccine trial | The BMJ

    The vaccines, developed by Pfizer and Moderna, are special fat nanoparticles that contain a fragment of the COVID-19 RNA

    "Revelations of poor practices at a contract research company helping to carry out Pfizer’s pivotal covid-19 vaccine trial raise questions about data integrity and regulatory oversight.

    Paul D Thacker reports

    In autumn 2020 Pfizer’s chairman and chief executive, Albert Bourla, released an open letter to the billions of people around the world who were investing their hopes in a safe and effective covid-19 vaccine to end the pandemic.

    “As I’ve said before, we are operating at the speed of science,” Bourla wrote, explaining to the public when they could expect a Pfizer vaccine to be authorised in the United States.1

    But, for researchers who were testing Pfizer’s vaccine at several sites in Texas during that autumn, speed may have come at the cost of data integrity and patient safety.

    A regional director who was employed at the research organisation Ventavia Research Group has told The BMJ that the company falsified data, unblinded patients, employed inadequately trained vaccinators, and was slow to follow up on adverse events reported in Pfizer’s pivotal phase III trial.

    Staff who conducted quality control checks were overwhelmed by the volume of problems they were finding. After repeatedly notifying Ventavia of these problems, the regional director, Brook Jackson, emailed a complaint to the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

    Ventavia fired her later the same day.

    Jackson has provided The BMJ with dozens of internal company documents, photos, audio recordings, and emails."

    Continues:


    Covid-19: Researcher blows the whistle on data integrity issues in Pfizer’s vaccine trial | The BMJ
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    A disgruntled former employee at one of many third party contractors back in September 2020?

    Well fuck me, thank god they're bringing it up now, otherwise there might have been no successful, peer reviewed trial data, no emergency use authorisation and no billions of vaccines successfully delivered.

    You can almost hear HooHoo sighing "Phew, thank fuck I can still get the chinky shit".



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    So, having had my first Pfizer a week ago, and having paid for Moderna, should I go ahead and get 2 Modernas now or another Pfizer then Moderna booster?

    Aren't you supposed to wait 6 months from 2nd to booster?

    I fkn knew this would happen if I went and got that Pfizer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirk diggler View Post
    So, having had my first Pfizer a week ago, and having paid for Moderna, should I go ahead and get 2 Modernas now or another Pfizer then Moderna booster?

    Aren't you supposed to wait 6 months from 2nd to booster?

    I fkn knew this would happen if I went and got that Pfizer.

    I had my two Pfizers four weeks apart. The antibodies were through the roof.

    That was before Delta. They recommended a Pfizer booster six months after the second shot which happened to be at around the time I was 6.5 months after my second shot, so I had that too.

    I've not seen anyone recommend mixing Pfizer and Moderna, then again I haven't seen anyone recommend against it either.

    Added: I lie, this scandihooligan says it's not a problem after Canada had a shortage of Pfizer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dirk diggler View Post
    I fkn knew this would happen if I went and got that Pfizer.
    It's not a bad thing to have something in your back pocket if you need it.

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