Thread: Is this acceptable to farang?

Originally Posted by Norton

The ole TiT defense is bullshit. Tell your daughter it's absolutely wrong and tell the missus to STFU.

I'm with Norts on this one. Over my years here I have stopped accepting the "This is how we do it in Thailand and you need to adapt" schpeel. Its like a get out of jail card for nonsense which I call people on it regularly. My wife just tried to pull one on me the other day and I said.. "Just stop it, that excuse is simply a lazy way to not have to think about doing it right" she walked away mumbling.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

I came into the house this evening and my eldest daughter looked as if she was doing homework. I asked why she had homework and I was told she hadn't got any but was doing the homework for a school friend and was getting paid to do so. I kicked up that it was wrong but my missus claimed that this was Thailand and acceptable. No matter how much I explained that it was teaching my daughter wrong, in allowing her to do it, she wouldn't have it. Saying if our daughter didn't do it then someone else would. Is she correct in condoning the cheating?

When you openly come out and support someone who’s morally bankrupt.

....... How can you even try to pontificate on a moral issue ?

Thanks to all who replied, negative and positive. I've now told my missus and daughter that the practice of doing others homework stops. The daughter is okay with that but I still think it'll carry on behind my back. Out of sight, out of mind.
I did ask my daughter why the teacher can't see the difference in the handwriting of the homework and schoolwork? She just replied 'The teachers know but don't care'. What a great example the teachers are.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

I came into the house this evening and my eldest daughter looked as if she was doing homework. I asked why she had homework and I was told she hadn't got any but was doing the homework for a school friend and was getting paid to do so. I kicked up that it was wrong but my missus claimed that this was Thailand and acceptable. No matter how much I explained that it was teaching my daughter wrong, in allowing her to do it, she wouldn't have it. Saying if our daughter didn't do it then someone else would. Is she correct in condoning the cheating?

No she isn't right to condone cheating, but of course she is.

Can't speak for others but I wouldn't have anyone do the kid's homework. When he's stuck on maths (basic arithmetic) I set a series of similar examples to teach him how to work them out, then follow him through his sheet to check that it got through, not just with the right answers but the right process. Took a couple of mild roastings, but thankfully he got the message early on and doesn't expect to play on his phone while dad earns him full marks.

One other point though some may disagree, I've always liked numbers, they don't lie; in maths I absolutely do not tolerate guesswork, and have taught him if he doesn't know an answer not to stab at one hoping to be right. Easy to get this one into a budding 'scientist' that understands there are an infinite number of wrong answers and only one right one, so by guessing he's likely to end up looking foolish. Also doesn't hurt to admit not knowing how to do something, as that leads to learning how.

Thailand or no Thailand, no way would wifey condone paying others to do an assignment. I would have said no way would she dare, 18 years ago, now the great leap forward is that she just wouldn't.

For me personally I don't believe that I should force my beliefs onto anyone so I would only ever say, "I don't think it is right to do that" and then leave it up to them to decide what they want to do.
I would be interested to hear from any "enlightened" Buddhist's on here on what Buddha had/has to say on this issue (cheating).
However if people are going to learn by example then from what I have read on varying news sources the examples set by some Buddhist Monks here would leave a lot to be desired no matter what the teachings tell you.

Originally Posted by jabir

No she isn't right to condone cheating, but of course she is.

ffs



I see the guru of gobbledygook is bang on form.

Originally Posted by jabir

Thailand or no Thailand

That's it in a nutshell.
There are few things I am hardover on and honesty tops the list. Makes no difference what country.
Having someone do your homework is dishonest. Doing someone's homework is as well.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

I've now told my missus and daughter that the practice of doing others homework stops.

Good on ya.

Originally Posted by ootai

I would only ever say,"I don't think it is right to do that" and then leave it up to them to decide what they want to do.

Have a good old fashioned gut-laugh at the stupid weak-ass farang, before getting back to exactly what they were doing while forgetting he exists, I'd imagine.

Originally Posted by Edmond

Have a good old fashioned gut-laugh at the stupid weak-ass farang, before getting back to exactly what they were doing while forgetting he exists, I'd imagine.

I don't give a rats arse about what anyone thinks of me.
If they (Thai's) have a laugh at my expense then that's OK by me as I certainly do laugh at some of the things they do and believe.

The thing I like best about living here is that I can do just about whatever I want.
It might be a dictatorship but it ain't a "nanny state" just yet.

Originally Posted by Switch

this is Thailand and it is the Thai way of doing things.

Parents disagreeing on how to raise their children is only a Thai thing.

Right.

Are you going to make up the shortfall in her income youve just created?

she should shake you down for loss of earnings

Originally Posted by OhOh

Parents disagreeing on how to raise their children is only a Thai thing.

Right.

Except that's not the issue, fuckwit

Originally Posted by OhOh

Parents disagreeing on how to raise their children is only a Thai thing.

Right.

If only you could stop yourself being deliberately stupid.

Originally Posted by katie23

As an aunt, I've partially done my nephew's crochet stitches homework. In my days, it was only girls who did crochet. Nowadays, girls & boys do it in school.

Well there's the new thing I learned today.

Originally Posted by ootai

For me personally I don't believe that I should force my beliefs onto anyone so I would only ever say, "I don't think it is right to do that" and then leave it up to them to decide what they want to do.
I would be interested to hear from any "enlightened" Buddhist's on here on what Buddha had/has to say on this issue (cheating).
However if people are going to learn by example then from what I have read on varying news sources the examples set by some Buddhist Monks here would leave a lot to be desired no matter what the teachings tell you.

No need to 'force' anything, your job as a parent is to promote values, your values, as a starter kit for life, which you can only do on the strength of your experiences and beliefs. And you have probably failed somewhere in that process if he instead decides to become a deadbeat or a serial killer.

Originally Posted by Norton

That's it in a nutshell.
There are few things I am hardover on and honesty tops the list. Makes no difference what country.
Having someone do your homework is dishonest. Doing someone's homework is as well.

It's like cheating at solitaire, only worse, and can only work if you get the proxy to do your exams as well, and then might as well let them finish your education by doing the rest of your life, which is what early learning is supposed to prepare you for.

I'm sure squirrel would understand, he's red hot.

Demand 50% of the fee that your daughter is getting paid..

The good news is his daughter's smart enough that people are asking her to do their homework for them. Not only that she has a handy entrepreneurial streak.

Originally Posted by Simon43

Demand 50% of the fee that your daughter is getting paid..

She needs to aim higher if I'm going to get involved.

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Originally Posted by ootai

I don't give a rats arse about what anyone thinks of me.
If they (Thai's) have a laugh at my expense then that's OK by me as I certainly do laugh at some of the things they do and believe.

The thing I like best about living here is that I can do just about whatever I want.
It might be a dictatorship but it ain't a "nanny state" just yet.

Here Here Ootai. That's exactly how I feel about it. Trust me, I get a helluva a lot more laughs at stuff they do here then they do about me.

Here is recent story (yesterday in fact) that happened. So my uncle ordered rock to make concrete. He only needed about a quarter of a small dump truck load. The dump truck shows up damn near over full.
As he backed in to dump I said WHOAAAA wait just a minute, what are we doing with all that rock?

Here is the dialogue;

Wife: "it's for them to make cement".

Me: "How much do they need?"

Wife: "just about half" (Really more like quarter)

Me "why a full huge load?"

Wife: "Because here in Thailand you can only order a full load"

Me: "Bullshit and I do not want a big ass pile of rock at the house when its done. Pour out what you need and go dump the rest somewhere or take it back for free"

Wife: "that's a waste, we can save it"

Me: "So be it, but that rock is not staying around here because I am the one that has to move it and it gets spread all over, Now if YOU want to shovel it and move it and cover it, then knock yourself out.

They took it away......

I asked later "So why can't you call up and order what you want?" If they have a minimum lot charge so be it, But only get what you need and they keep inventory to sell so they actually make more on it (Btw It was only $25) My wife said "They do not do that in Thailand and you need to adapt". I said "No I do not, That's just plain lazy stupidness !

Originally Posted by JPPR2

I'm with Norts on this one. Over my years here I have stopped accepting the "This is how we do it in Thailand and you need to adapt" schpeel. Its like a get out of jail card for nonsense which I call people on it regularly. My wife just tried to pull one on me the other day and I said.. "Just stop it, that excuse is simply a lazy way to not have to think about doing it right" she walked away mumbling.

Indeed.
Most that have responded appear to be agreeing reasonably.

Challenging or questioning seemingly unethical behaviour, regardless of situations, needs to be applied.

Originally Posted by jabir

. Easy to get this one into a budding 'scientist' that understands there are an infinite number of wrong answers and only one right one,

Nonsense. You've turned Thai.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Well there's the new thing I learned today.

Crochet?

^I think what harry meant was that boys nowadays learn crochet in school.

In my day (gosh!), girls had HE (home economics) classes like cooking, needlework, crochet, dressmaking, etc for 3 quarters of the school year. Boys did IA (Industrial Arts) classes like carpentry, metal works, etc, also for 3/4 of the year. During the last quarter, the classes switch. Boys get 1 quarter of HE and the girls do IA (like carpentry).

Nowadays, it's more gender neutral (at least here in PI). Everything is grouped under TLE (technology & livelihood education). So the boys & girls learn crochet or carpentry all at the same time.

Btw, I believe that school kids should do their assignments on their own, whether it's academic subjects like math(s) or skills-based projects like dressmaking or carpentry.

Parents/ relatives could help but the kid should do most of the work. In my nephew's crochet project, he did 3/4 of the work. He didn't get a high score, but at least it was on his own efforts. Unlike his classmates who had high scores but their moms did the project. Just my 2 cents.