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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    My long excuse for being incorrect.
    Absolutely no need for an apology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    a separation of the sheep from the goats
    Wheat from the chaff?

    Goats are better on mountains and can eat anything. That's why they'd be favoured in some countries.

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    "goat" - "sheep" ... and then ... "lamb"!

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    The chief animal of Siam is the elephant. Elephants are found in great numbers in the north, and also in the wide plains of the south, where these plains are not cultivated, but are covered with jungle-grass, brushwood, and bamboo.

    The Siamese elephant sometimes attains a height of ten or eleven feet. Frequent measurements have proved the curious fact that the height of an elephant is usually about twice the circumference of its biggest foot.

    One thing to distinguish Asian elephants from African elephants is to look at their ears. Asian elephants have smaller ears.

    In the ancient time, Ayutthaya Kingdom, once or twice a year there was a big elephant-hunt.

    At the beginning of the wet season orders were sent forth that elephants were to be collected. A number of men traversed the plain where the elephants had been allowed to roam unmolested, and drove them in towards the town.

    People of all classes, from royalty to peasants including foreigners, went to witness this fun incident. There was a great deal of excitement, particularly when the elephants were expected. Record says that…

    ...Presently an enormous tusker is seen. This is a tame elephant. He walks slowly in front, and the crowd of wild elephants behind who have taken him for their leader follow like a flock of sheep (... again!), except that they make more noise.

    Round the outside of the herd there are other tame elephants, carrying men on their backs who are armed with spears.

    At last they reach the river. They stop for a moment, but the big tusker marches on in front, and the others are pushing at the back, so into the water they all go. They swim to the other side of the river, and there the mounted elephants get the whole herd into line again, pretending all the while to be their friends.

    Then the tusker marches into a big enclosure set round with posts, and thence through a gateway into a second enclosure. By this time some of the wild elephants have an idea that they are being trapped, and they try to go back; but the guard-elephants stand quite steady, and the men on their backs make good use of their spears. So at last the captives are brought into a square space surrounded by a high, thick wall, on which hundreds of spectators are crowded, watching the operations. This ends the first day.

    The next morning half a dozen tuskers are led into the enclosure, or panead, as it is called in Siamese. On the back of each elephant are two men, provided with long coils of rope. They look for those young elephants that they think can be trained to make strong and useful servants later on.

    Having chosen one, they chase him about, and, after a time, succeed in getting a noose under his foot, and in pulling the noose tightly up above the knee. The other end of the coil is thrown to the men upon the ground, and they make it fast to a post.

    When the youngster tries to run about again, he finds that he is held tightly by one leg. He shows his displeasure by the most heart-rending howls. As soon as a certain number have been tied up to posts, a gate is opened in the enclosure, and the uncaptured beasts are allowed to rush out on to the plain beyond. But they are not permitted to go back to their homes in the jungle; a ring of mounted elephants surrounds the plain and keeps them within bounds.

    The young ones in the panead are led out, one at a time, through a narrow gate. A tame elephant leads the way, and another follows. Once outside, three mounted elephants appear. One goes on each side of the captive, and the third follows behind. The captive is fastened by his neck to the necks of his brethren on either side, and in this humiliating way he is led to the stables. There he is tied by the neck and one leg to a post. After about three years he has lost his temper, become gentle, and can then be taught to work.

    Other elephants are noosed in the open, but in the evening, after a bathe in the river, the herd goes back to the panead.

    When as many elephants have been chosen as are wanted, the rest are set free, and allowed to wander at liberty for another twelve months…

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    Note:

    Normally, we have words used for counting things (Don’t know how to call in English because English language don't have it). For animals, we use the word ‘tua’.

    For example, a farang says ‘one dog’. In Thai we say ‘dog one tua’. ‘Tua’ is a Thai word to address the number of animals; ‘cat two tua’, pig thirty tua’ and etc.

    Only one type of animal that is exceptional, the elephants. We have two separate words used for counting number of them.

    We use ‘tua’ for wild elephants. For tamed elephants, we use ‘cheuag (rope)'.

    The reason is explained above. We use ropes to catch wild elephants before taming them.

    So, when someone says ‘I saw elephant 2 tua’, it means he saw 2 wild elephants. If he says ‘I saw elephant 2 cheuag’, it means he saw 2 tamed elephants.

    That is “Thai word” for today…
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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanielnong View Post
    Normally, we have words used for counting things (Don’t know how to call in English because English language don't have it).
    We call them "classifiers."

    That is "English word" for today...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMadBaron View Post
    We call them "classifiers."

    That is "English word" for today...
    Thanks, noted it down!

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    Found some more old photos (but not that far back in the real 'panead' time, though) about capturing elephants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanielnong View Post
    For animals, we use the word ‘tua’.
    This "classifier" is often the one very well remembered by falangs (myself not excluded). Correct when it is used for counting the legs at the table, however, a blatant mistake - and a terrible offence - when counting the people, esp. women...

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    Still hanging out with our old friends, the elephants...


    White elephant

    The term derives from the sacred white elephants kept by Southeast Asian monarchs in Burma, Siam, Laos and Cambodia.

    To possess a white elephant was regarded (and is still regarded in Thailand and Burma) as a sign that the monarch reigned with justice and power, and that the kingdom was blessed with peace and prosperity. The opulence expected of anyone who owned a beast of such stature was great.

    According to Brahmanism belief, if a monarch possessed one or more 'white' elephants, it was a glorious and happy sign.

    In Thai language, they are called 'pueak (= albino)', not white (= kao), indicating from "pale yellow eyes and white nails with white hair. The rough skin was either pink all over or had pink patches on the head, trunk, or forelegs."

    They were not really worshiped for themselves but were regarded as an appendage to the King's majesty.

    In Thailand, white elephants (chang pueak) are considered sacred and are a symbol of royal power. All those discovered are presented to the king.

    Historically, the status of kings has been evaluated by the number of white elephants in their possession. The late King Rama IX owned as many as 21 white elephants which was considered an unprecedented achievement, making him the monarch who owned the greatest number of chang pueak in Thai history.

    The first chang pueak found in King Rama IX’s reign was regarded as the most important elephant in the whole realm. It received the royal title which bears his majesty's own name: Phra Savet Adulyadej Pahol Bhumibol Navanatta-parami.

    However, the King did not bestow royal titles to all of the white elephants in his possession. Up until now, eleven of these elephants are still alive and only five have royal titles.

    As referring to the above, a white elephant in Thailand is not necessarily albino but it must have pale skin. After being discovered, the elephants are assigned to one of four graded categories before being offered to the king, although the lower grades are sometimes refused.

    In the past, lower graded white elephants were given as gifts to the king's friends and allies.

    Because the animals were considered sacred and laws protected them from labor, receiving a gift of a white elephant from a monarch was simultaneously a blessing and a curse.

    It was a blessing because the animal was sacred and a sign of the monarch's favour.

    It was a curse because such animal needed a lot of care and, being considered sacred, could not be put to work. So it was a great financial burden on the recipient as he now had an expensive-to-maintain animal and he could not give away and, at the same time, could not put too much practical use.

    According to an old story (of course, told by our little birds), a white elephant or more were sometimes given as a present to someone who displeased the king, usually a lesser noble. The unfortunate recipient, unable to make any profit from it but obliged to take care of it, would suffer bankruptcy and doomed.

    "The white elephant flag", flag of Siam in 1855–1916

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    King Rama IX and his first chang pueak named Phra Savet Adulyadej… who fell (in our tradition, we don’t say “a chang (in general) ‘dies’” instead, we say “a chang ‘falls'") in April, 2010 at the age of 59.

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    WHITE ELEPHANTS

    An interesting observation (pictures not included) made by Ernest Young, B.Sc., Head Master of the Lower School of John Lyon, Harrow, England published in 1908 (= the reign of King Rama V).

    Siam has been called the "Land of the White Elephant," and no account of the country would be complete which failed to take notice of these peculiar animals. The national flag is a white elephant on a scarlet ground; the mercantile flag is a white elephant on a blue ground; and on every temple and official building this wonderful creature is fashioned in stone, wood, and plaster.

    In former days the King did not feel himself fully a king unless he possessed a white elephant, and he never hesitated about undertaking a war in order to obtain one of these rare animals.

    In former years no subject was allowed to keep a white elephant. If by chance he found one, he hastened to present it to the King. If he dared to try to keep it for himself, the King made war upon him and took it away by force.

    Strictly speaking, there is no such thing as a white elephant. The animal is not really white, but only a little lighter in colour than the ordinary elephant. Occasionally it is of the colour of dirty bath brick, and it may have a few white hairs on its tail or its head.

    The news of the discovery of a white elephant always produced great joy in the people and the King. The King sent a body of nobles and princes to the place where the animal had been found, and where he was tethered by silken cords. The ambassadors guarded the quadruped while professional elephant-tamers taught it how to behave in the presence of men and in the streets of a town. People went from all parts of the country to visit it and take it presents.

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    Meanwhile, in the capital, a palace was rapidly erected for the sublime animal. When the palace was finished and the taming of the elephant completed, a stately procession set out to meet it and bring it home.

    The King headed the procession, and when he met the elephant he knelt before it and gave it presents, after which he turned round and led the way back to the capital.

    In the elephant's new residence there was a wardrobe for his clothes, and covers of velvet and silk embroidered with gold and jewels. On his head was fastened a gold plate bearing his name and titles.

    He had a troupe of slaves and a party of priests, an orchestra of musicians, and a number of dancing-girls, all specially set apart for his instruction and amusement.

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    When the elephant wanted to sleep, the priests chanted slumber-songs. When he looked lively and wakeful, the dancing-girls sang and danced to him. When he was hungry, he was fed with the finest fruits and vegetables. As a rule this life of laziness and luxury soon brought about his death.

    Only about thirty years ago, a party of hunters who were looking for white elephants saw in the distance an elephant of excellent shape and size, but of no particular color.

    On examining it a little closer, they fancied that it might be one of that rare kind for which they were seeking. They took him away and washed the mud off him, and them to their intense joy, they found that not only was he light in color, but that on his back there were a few hairs that were positively white.

    The country went wild with joy. Bangkok was decorated with flags, and illuminated at night. All the places were gay with banners, lights, and music. The King went to meet the animal, and the priests read a long and flattering address to it.

    The priests then baptized the animal and gave him his new name and titles, which were very numerous, and which were written on a piece of sugar-cane; this the elephant promptly swallowed. It was probably the only part of the ceremony that gave him any pleasure. He was taken to his new apartment, and there fed by kneeling servants, who offered him food on dishes made of silver.

    Things are much changed now. When the last white elephant was discovered, he was sent to Bangkok on a railway-truck. There was no guard of honor, no procession, and the King only went to visit him when he was lodged in the stables.

    On the way to the palace the new-comer behaved himself very badly by walking up to a fruit-seller's stall—the first it had ever seen—and eating up everything that was on it, almost before the attendants had had time to notice what he was doing.

    Nowadays, the white elephants are badly fed by miserable grooms. They no longer have either priests or dancing-girls. The walls of their stables are half in ruins, and the roofs are covered with dirt of great age and thickness. Their food is only hay, leaves, and young bamboos.

    By the side of each elephant is a cage; this is intended for a white monkey, the fit and proper companion for the white elephant. But as white monkeys are more rare than white elephants, all these cages are empty.

    Once a year each elephant is sprinkled with holy water by the priests, and is made to listen to a number of long prayers. This is done to keep away evil spirits, and so successful is the operation that it only needs repeating once in twelve months.

    When one of the elephants dies, they bring a white monkey, a few doctors, and a few priests, to visit the deceased. By his side they dig a hole in the ground, in which incense is burned. The body is covered with a white cloth, and then taken out of the town and left to rot in a field.

    Later on the bones and tusks are collected and preserved. For three days after the death of the quadruped a number of priests remain praying in the stable, requesting the spirit of the animal not to come back again and do any damage.

    (The last part seems quite funny. Wonder if the observer ironically added it himself)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    This "classifier" is often the one very well remembered by falangs (myself not excluded). Correct when it is used for counting the legs at the table, however, a blatant mistake - and a terrible offence - when counting the people, esp. women...
    And when talking about selling tickets or ticket sellers, make sure you get the tone right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    And when talking about selling tickets or ticket sellers, make sure you get the tone right!

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    Yes. we have what we call "wannayuk ( ่ / ้/ ๊/ ๋) to control the tone when wanting the right meaning. You guys don't have it so it might be difficult to adjust.

    For example: "kai kai kai kai" --- means "Who sells the eggs?" !
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    Let’s do something fun!


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    The Grand Palace has twelve gates, three along each of the four walls. These massive gates are built of brick and mortar and
    (almost all of them) are topped with a Prang styled spire.

    These gates are all painted in white, with gigantic red doors. Each of these outer gates was given rhyming names starting from (please try to read!):

    North wall: Wimarn Taewet - Wiset Chaisee - Manee Nopparat
    East wall: Sawatd Sopa - Taewa Pitak - Sak Chaiyasit
    South wall: Wichit Banchong – Anong Kharak - Pitak Bowon
    West wall: Soontorn Tisa – Taewa Pirom - Udom Sudarak

    However, not many people are aware of that when reading each name backwards, each of those names rhymes with the next one as well:
    (Start to read backwards from the last name on the west wall – (Udom Sudarak – Sudarak Udom) up to the first name on the north wall – (Wimarn Taewet – Taewet Wimarn)

    West wall: Sudarak Udom – Phirom Taewa – Tisa Soontorn
    South wall: Bowon Pitak – Kharak Anong – Banchong Wichit
    East wall: Chaiyasit Sak – Pitak Taewa – Sopa Sawatd
    North wall: Nopparat Manee – Chaisee Wiset – Taewet Wimarn

    (Cool, isn’t it?)

    Of all, only one gate that serves as an entrance for common people to enter to pay respect to the Emerald Buddha. That gate is named “Sawatd Sopa Gate”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanielnong View Post
    (Cool, isn’t it?)
    My tongue twisted early

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    Originally Posted by Klondyke
    This "classifier" is often the one very well remembered by falangs (myself not excluded). Correct when it is used for counting the legs at the table, however, a blatant mistake - and a terrible offence - when counting the people, esp. women...
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    And when talking about selling tickets or ticket sellers, make sure you get the tone right!

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    Nev, in fact, I am not much afraid that anybody would be keen to buy me... (Would you?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    My tongue twisted early
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    Watercolor Paintings by Edwin A. Norbury, R.C.A., early 1900s

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    (A CORNER OF THE GRAND PALACE ENCLOSURE, BANGKOK)

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    (THE RIVER MARKET, BANGKOK)

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    (THE GULF OF SIAM—MOONLIGHT)

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    (A BUFFALO CART)

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    (A GROUP OF BUDDHIST MONKS)

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    (THE TEMPLE OF WAT POH)

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    (MOUNT PRABHAT)

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    (A FISHING BOAT OFF THE ISLAND PAGODA OF PAKNAM)

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    (THE ANNUAL RICE PLOUGHING FESTIVAL)

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    (AN ELEPHANT HUNT AT AYUTHIA)

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    (A RELIGIOUS WATER PROCESSION)

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    (A TYPICAL CANAL SCENE)
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    Kullasatri Wung Lung School (meaning ‘Ladies of Wung Lung) is Thailand’s first boarding school for girls and the first kindergarten.

    Founded in 1874 (King Rama V’s) by the American Presbyterian Missionaries, the school was located in the area once called “Wung Lung (= back Palace, the old deserted Palace in the reign of King Rama III)” which is now within the compound of Siriraj Hospital, Bangkok Noi District.

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    Mrs. Harriet M. House was the first principal. The primary objectives of the school were to educate young Thai ladies in the fundamentals of reading, writing, Bible study and sewing.

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    In 1921, realizing that the area of the school was limited while the children which, at time, were both Thai and farang were increasing each year, Miss Edna S. Cole, the recent principal, moved the school campus to its present location, Wattana District, and changed the name to "Wattana Wittaya Academy".

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    In 1947, at the Christmas Party in her final year of this school, 16 years old Pantip L. with her friend, a few classes younger, Saisuri V. performed a rendition of a song penned and sung by senior Pantip and the melody given by junior Saisuri who also played a piano. It was a ‘no title yet’ lovely song showing how affectionate love one could give to the other.

    This song, much later on, was professionally improved a little bit with title given as “Sai-Tip”, by combining the two girls’ names, and went public which turned out to be one of the all-time classics in the history of Thai songs.

    A group of song devotees has translated the lyric into English as shown below:

    Starlight that shines so bright,
    Reminds me of your eyes,
    My heart is full of signs, my love.
    Moonlight on my tears falls,
    My face, I cannot hide,
    Return soon to my side, my love
    You are gone I’m all alone
    But still dreams linger on,
    You always be the one, I love
    May the stars remember me,
    To you each night and day,
    Whilst you’re so far away, my love

    Note: After that year, the two girls parted ways to pursue their own futures but the song always unites them.

    Senior Pantip L. (now V.) has become a successful medical doctor and junior Saisuri V. (now J. and Ph.D.), a retiree from Prime Minister (Mr. Anan Panyarchun)’s Official Minister. They both are close to 90 now.

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    young farung looking girl front and center of the first row. Any idea who she was?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    young farung looking girl front and center of the first row. Any idea who she was?

    Maybe 2, first row and second row.

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    Can anyone simply explain and give me some examples (in daily life) that explain a stereotype person?

    I have looked up but the explanation seems too much in general and confusing to understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanielnong View Post
    examples (in daily life) that explain a stereotype person?
    You can see many examples of stereotypes here every day:

    people who always produce the same ranting, e.g. about "chinkies", "trumpyards", naming names that you cannot find in Webster, etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    ou can see many examples of stereotypes here every day:
    people who always produce the same ranting, e.g. about "chinkies", "trumpyards", naming names that you cannot find in Webster, etc...
    Why are you such a whiny little bitch, whining at every opportunity - why not give it a rest for this thread, no need for you to poison it as well.


    Quote Originally Posted by nathanielnong View Post
    Can anyone simply explain and give me some examples (in daily life) that explain a stereotype person
    Any time a group of people are used to explain something they are being stereotyped. This can be ethnic groups, nationalities, genders and so one.
    Some examples of a 'stereotype' are:

    Girls are not good at sports
    Men are messy
    Women are neat and tidy

    All Americans are obese and loud (though many are, no doubt, there are more that are neither)
    All Arabs and Muslims are terrorists
    All Asians are good at Mathematics and drive badly
    All English people have bad teeth (this is possibly my favourite to annoy English people I know for fun)

    No children like healthy food
    All teenagers are rebels

    Some examples

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    You can see many examples of stereotypes here every day:

    people who always produce the same ranting, e.g. about "chinkies", "trumpyards", naming names that you cannot find in Webster, etc...
    please dont pollute one of the only decent threads on this board. You have managed to get your paw prints on too many already. Just back off. Thanks.

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    Memory Lane (In my own language)-oops-jpg

    Didn't mean to cause a rift, really!

    And Thanks to K. Panama Hat for the examples.

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