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    Sanam Luang ("royal turf") is a 119, 200 m2 open field and public square located in front of Wat Pra Kaew and the Grand Palace in the historic center of Bangkok.

    In the Royal Chronicle, it was written that, "In front of Wat Mahatat, Sanam Luang lies between the Royal Palace and the Front Palace. When royal cremation was held at the Pra Main Ground in Sanam Luang, the pyre set up in the center with the Royal Palace Pavilion to the south and the Prince’s Front Palace to the north. The music from the Royal Palace and from the Front Palace would be played on opposite sides of Sanam Luang".


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    Sanam Luang was officially known as "Tung Pra Main" (the royal cremation ground) since it has been used as a site for the cremation of kings, queens, and high-ranking princes and princesses since the reign of King Praputtayodfa Chulalok (King Rama I; 1737-1809)

    In 1855, King Mongkut (King Rama IV) changed its name from "Tung Pra Main" to "Tung Sanam Luang", in common usage now shortened to "Sanam Luang".

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    These are some of the high-ranking royalties’ cremations that were taken photos.

    1866 – King Pinkloa’s (King Mongkut/Rama IV’s young brother)

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    1869 – King Mongkut (King Rama IV)’s

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    1880 – Queen Sunanta Kumareerat aka the capsizing boat Queen’s (King Chulalongkorn/Rama V’s royal consort and first wife) and her daughter

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    1888 – King Chulalongkorn (King Rama V)’s one royal concubine and three offspring (Note: three urn styled caskets (koat) within view)

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    1911 - King Chulalongkorn (King Rama V)’s

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    1919 – Queen Saowapa Pongsri (King Chulalongkorn/Rama V’s supreme royal consort and third wife)

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    1926 – King Wachirawut (King Rama VI)’s

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    1928 – Queen Sukumarn Marasri (King Chulalongkorn/Rama V’s royal consort and fourth wife)

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    1930 – Prince Anunta Mahidol (King Rama VIII) and Prince Pumipon Adulyadej (King Rama IX)’s Father. He was King Rama V’s son with Queen consort no.2 thus, an heir to the throne as well but he died early.

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    1950 – King Anunta Mahidol (King Rama VIII)’s elder brother of King Rama IX with high ranking royalties

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    1956 – Queen Sawang Watana (King Chulalongkorn/Rama V’s royal consort and second wife also King Rama VIII and IX’s Queen Grandmother)

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    1985 – Queen Rumpai Pannee (King Prachatipok/Rama VII’s wife)

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    2012 – Princess Petcharat (King Wachirawut/Rama VI’s only daughter who was born one day before her father died)

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    2017 - King Pumipon Adulyadej (King Rama IX)

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    I can't find the next page!!

    ... I'm okay now...
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    Help!! Haven't finished yet!

    ...Spooky!...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanielnong View Post
    Yes, it was.
    Nathaniel has it right. Just to the Nana side and the same side of the street as the embassy.

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    A beautiful drawing (by unknown artist; I guess a farang) of a Horse-drawn street railway on Charoen Krung (aka New) Road , Bangkok 1888



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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    What happened?

    I was working on page 8. Then page 8 was full. Instead of going next to the page 9, everything was gone... "poof!"

    Panic attacked!

    I say this website always spooks me. Often, it kicks me out in the middle of my work and sometimes it throws away my photos after posting them.

    But I'm happy with it, though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanielnong View Post
    I say this website always spooks me. Often, it kicks me out in the middle of my work and sometimes it throws away my photos after posting them.
    Yup, same for everyone I think. Some flaws.


    Ok, I chatted with my brother recently and he reminded me how we lived in a soi off Sukhumvit, would've been near the embassy. This soi led to a klong and our house was at the end with the klong bordering it.
    There was a market not too far and when I escaped my crib - or my brother allowed me to in the hope that I'd get lost - I'd waddle up to a market and chat with the locals there - from whom I learned some interesting words - and they took care of me as I was the only blond kid around and if our maid or nanny didn't come to find me they'd take me back home after entertaining me.

    Our neighbour, a Thai but with the shortened name Wong. Uncle Wong I called him.

    Fell into the klong several times

    Ah, stories

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    Yup, same for everyone I think. Some flaws.


    Ok, I chatted with my brother recently and he reminded me how we lived in a soi off Sukhumvit, would've been near the embassy. This soi led to a klong and our house was at the end with the klong bordering it.
    There was a market not too far and when I escaped my crib - or my brother allowed me to in the hope that I'd get lost - I'd waddle up to a market and chat with the locals there - from whom I learned some interesting words - and they took care of me as I was the only blond kid around and if our maid or nanny didn't come to find me they'd take me back home after entertaining me.

    Our neighbour, a Thai but with the shortened name Wong. Uncle Wong I called him.

    Fell into the klong several times

    Ah, stories

    I guess the scenery around there would be nice in the 60s/70s when complicated technology had not jumped in yet. You must love Thailand more or less for, as far as I can remember, you have left Thailand since being a boy. Yet, you still feel connected to.

    By the way, how I really like this kind of trivia, a window to fresh air.

    Thanks for sharing and everyone doesn't hold it. Let me hear your trivia in Bangkok/Thailand back then.

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    Koat (the urn-like casket)


    The word “Koat” is derived from Sanskrit’s "kośa" which means "container". It is a large funerary urn, used to contain the body of the deceased in place of a coffin.

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    It is used for royalties as well as high-ranking members of the nobility. Today it may also be granted to high-ranking government officials.

    Koat consists of two layers. The outer shell known as “long” made by gilded wood frame and decorated with fancy colorful pieces of glass. It has two opening halves and a pointed lid.

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    The inner shell called “koat” is a cylindrical container made of gilded steel, copper or silver.

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    There are fourteen types of koat, which are granted to the deceased according to their ranks and status. The highest-ranking koat called Pra Koat Tong Yai (no. 1) is reserved for the king and the highest-ranking royal family members. This koat was first made in the reign of King Praputyayodfa Chulalok (King Rama I; 1737-1809).

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    For high-ranking royalties today, a koat is enshrined on a decorated pedestal sited inside the royal crematorium. A tube runs down from an opening at the base of the koat connecting it to a jar hidden beneath the pedestal which serves to collect fluids as the body was mostly allowed to decompose within the koat in days before embalming. This often led to undesirable odors which had to be covered by burning fragrant incenses.

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    During the funeral of Princess Mother Srinagarindra (King Pumipon Adulyadej/Rama IX’s) in 1995, in accordance with her request, the royal body was not physically placed in the koat. Instead, a normal coffin was used and placed behind the pedestal which still customarily bore the empty koat. The same was done for the funerals of some other high ranking royalties including King Pumipon Adulyadej (King Rama IX)’s.

    As the koat is brought onto the pyre at the cremation site at Sanam Luang field, the outer shell is removed and replaced with a shell of carved sandalwood. Further Buddhist rites are held until the cremation takes place in the evening.

    During the first cremation which is a mock ceremonial burning, the king lights the cremation fire and lays the first "dok mai chan" (artificial flowers made of sandalwood which are used ceremonially in the cremations). The other guests then follow suit, laying flowers one by one.

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    The ritual is repeated later in the night, with a smaller group of honored and closed to the deceased guests, when the actual cremation takes place. On the first lighting a 21-gun salute and a three-volley salute are both fired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanielnong View Post
    You must love Thailand more or less for, as far as I can remember, you have left Thailand since being a boy. Yet, you still feel connected to.
    There are certain aspects of Thailand that I still love . . . but most of the memories were idyllic and of Thailand in a different era. People were different - more genuinely nicer.
    I may have left Thailand as a child but I must have been back at least 50-60 times over the course of the last 20/25 years of living and working in Asia . . . and a while living and working in Thailand during this time as well.

    My sister-in law is married to a Thai and has been living in Bangkok since they finished their uni studies in Vancouver/Seattle - we go visit them often when in Malaysia

    Unfortunately I think mass-tourism - and tourism of the wrong kind - has badly affected Thailand and Thai people and their attitude towards westerners in particular.

    Still, I'll be back as soon as this covid nonsense has abated and I'm working in Malaysia again.


    Again - thank you for a lovely thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    There are certain aspects of Thailand that I still love . . . but most of the memories were idyllic and of Thailand in a different era. People were different - more genuinely nicer.
    I may have left Thailand as a child but I must have been back at least 50-60 times over the course of the last 20/25 years of living and working in Asia . . . and a while living and working in Thailand during this time as well.

    My sister-in law is married to a Thai and has been living in Bangkok since they finished their uni studies in Vancouver/Seattle - we go visit them often when in Malaysia

    Unfortunately I think mass-tourism - and tourism of the wrong kind - has badly affected Thailand and Thai people and their attitude towards westerners in particular.

    Still, I'll be back as soon as this covid nonsense has abated and I'm working in Malaysia again.


    Again - thank you for a lovely thread.

    Nice to hear a little more of you.

    I was about to book a ticket to Croatia when the Covid began materializing. I remember I was browsing a cheap ticket and then my cousin called "Quit doing that!" How lucky but my friend wasn't. She had already booked everything to Italy; tickets, hotels and everything. No refund! more than 100,000 baht gone with the Covid, shit!

    People were different - more genuinely nicer ---- really? I think Thai people were nicer in the old days (before modern technology invaded). Today, they are more like self centered and more aggressive.

    Fortunately, I am not one of those. I don't have a smart phone which, in my opinion, causes ethnic/ethic -- (which one? I never can tell one from the other) -- of Thai people towards the old warm-heart society downhill.

    In short, I am constantly nice... Hee... Hee...

    Ps. I first knew the term "panama hat" from this song. Then I searched for more what kind of hat was that.


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    U Taga Tarn Shrine, means closely in English as “Water Giving in Charity” Shrine, is a construction sited in the corner of Ratchadumnoen Nai Road near Sanam Luang on the ground that once used to be the area of the Prison for Minor Crimes Department.

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    The place was built in the reign of King Chulalongkorn (King Rama V) in 1917 by the order of His Supreme Royal Consort, Queen Saowapa Pongsri as the intention to give pure and clean water for passerby.

    Their son, Prince Wachirawut who later on became King Rama VI gave a suggestion that the statue in the shrine should be in the form of Mother Earth who, according to Hindu belief, grants fertility.

    So, the statue of Mother Earth was constructed in a posture of her sitting and twisting hair. Pure and clean water flows out from the end of the lock of her hair.

    Nowadays, the true intention is gone. The shrine has become a place for worshiping (what’s new??).

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    My nostalgia...

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    [QUOTE=nathanielnong;4161501]People were different - more genuinely nicer ---- really? I think Thai people were nicer in the old days (before modern technology invaded). Today, they are more like self centered and more aggressive.[QUOTE=nathanielnong;4161501]

    I thought maybe it was just me who felt this way. Of course there are always some unpleasant people everywhere but when I lived in Bangkok over 30 years ago with two very young children I thought the majority of people were genuinely kind, friendly and helpful. They were interested in you. I don't feel that warmth today, although of course there are always some good people everywhere too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanielnong View Post
    I think Thai people were nicer in the old days (before modern technology invaded). Today, they are more like self centered and more aggressive.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shutree View Post
    I thought the majority of people were genuinely kind, friendly and helpful. They were interested in you. I don't feel that warmth today,

    Yes, agreed.

    Quote Originally Posted by nathanielnong View Post
    Ps. I first knew the term "panama hat" from this song. Then I searched for more what kind of hat was that.
    never heard nor saw this before


    Quote Originally Posted by nathanielnong View Post
    My nostalgia...

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    Nathaniel, Perhaps you could answer a question for me. Why do Thai's walk so slowly and just generally meander to wherever they are going, yet put them behind the wheel of a car and it turns into pure aggression and often anger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Nathaniel, Perhaps you could answer a question for me. Why do Thai's walk so slowly and just generally meander to wherever they are going, yet put them behind the wheel of a car and it turns into pure aggression and often anger?

    Funny that it is the same question that pops up in my head from time to time as well.



    "Why do Thai's walk so slowly and...". I could use the reason of geometry of Thailand which lies on the tropical zone, also known as 'hot weather'. If they walk fast, they will sweat and wet their clothes and ends up being uncomfortable. So, it has become their habit.



    Anyway, walking slowly does not mean they are cool and relaxing.


    "...it turns into pure aggression and often anger...". This part, I could use the same reason. Hot weather easily makes people lose temper. Plus, "Line"/"Facebook" and etc. nowadays allow them to share their opinions without identification being shown. When liberated opinions can be expressed freely, it makes them being reckless which nourishes their egoism and one thing leads to another causing them being aggressive.


    So, if something goes wrong, two Thais with smart phones in their pockets though walking slowly can punch each other fiercely under the sun (and fiercer once they get drunk).



    My opinion is but a minor one though but thanks for your question.


    Ps. Talking about the weather in Thailand. I used to make joke that in the old days we had 3 seasons: summer season, rainy season and winter season. Nowadays, we still have 3 seasons but a bit changed: hot season, very hot season and damn hot season.

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    Bang Pu seaside resort

    Before Pattaya there was Bang Saen and before Bang Saen there was Bang Pu.

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    In the 60s, Bang Pu, on Sukhumwit Road in the area of Samut Prakarn Province, was the most popular seaside resort which was very close to Bangkok. It actually was owned by the navy army and used as a retreat for their soldiers. However, the general public could use their grounds and even rent the bungalows along the seafront for some small money.

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    The landmark of Bang Pu, a pier named “Sapan (= bridge) Sukta (= happy to see)” which then was a wood structure gained historical importance as the Japanese forces landed here less than two hours after their attack on Pearl Harbor in December 1941.

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    According to a plaque at the site, “A small group of brave local forces rushed to form a defensive position just two kilometers north-west of this landmark. This group consisted of polices, the army youth corps and civilian volunteers all from Samut Prakarn. Just before the two sides clashed, a last minute accord was reached between the Thai government and Japanese which permitted Japanese military forces to pass through Thai territory unmolested.”

    Bang Pu was always flocked in the evening on weekends. People mostly from Bangkok went there for splendid meals and ballroom dancing to the music played by the most popular artists in that time such as the Suntaraporn Band and etc.

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    Bang Pu nowadays...

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    Thing I learned from this thread is that Panama HAT likes cankles

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanielnong View Post
    Ps. Talking about the weather in Thailand. I used to make joke that in the old days we had 3 seasons: summer season, rainy season and winter season. Nowadays, we still have 3 seasons but a bit changed: hot season, very hot season and damn hot season.
    Another very interesting observation. I was in Bangkok over 30 years ago and I cannot say that I really notice a huge difference in the weather between then and now. However, the gf grew up here in Isan and she insists that it gets hotter here now than it did 40 years ago. She says that when she was young temperatures in the 30s Centigrade were already high. She insists that they never saw teperatures touch 40 degrees back then, whereas now they do.
    I have never looked into the data to confirm her claims. Certainly she isn't the only one who talks about it being hotter and here, the locals being close to the land, I suspect they are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourDaddy View Post
    Thing I learned from this thread is that Panama HAT likes cankles
    The OED says:

    cankle

    Pronunciation /ˈkaŋk(ə)l/

    noun

    informal A woman's fat or swollen ankle whose flesh merges unattractively with that of the calf.


    Origin

    Early 21st century blend of calf and ankle.





    Well, that was a new word to me. I'm not sure when I'll need it.

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    And I'm not sure where YD gets that idea from, but it hardly belongs here - another thread he wants to trash

    OOOOOHHHH Edmond - more work for you

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