Thread: We Will Never Forget

Forget what?

Originally Posted by sabang

Forget what?

https://teakdoor.com/members-only/19...ml#post4108304 (Norton)

Originally Posted by sabang

Forget what?

Memory . . . and to not start a war at the drop of a hat time and time again

Originally Posted by panama hat

Memory . . . and to not start a war at the drop of a hat time and time again

Unfortunately the norm rather than the exception.

Originally Posted by Norton

Unfortunately the norm rather than the exception.

...so, "we" keep forgetting then...

Maybe we never forget, but the real problem is we never learn.
Never forget to Learn.

^indeed...

Originally Posted by sabang

Maybe we never forget, but the real problem is we never learn.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

^indeed...

Yup, but let's put this into context, and I'm surprised that Tovarish Klondyke and Mao-Man OhOh haven't take this further, it's fairly well only the US that has continued on being at war for close to 100 years

That's nuts especially when you consider the majority of those 'wars' have been fought with them as the invading force (and often against poor brown people).

. . . and in safe distance from the US, against countries who wouldn't have the capability to fight back, defend themselves or attack the US (Pearl Harbor - seriously . . . no. Twin Towers? 3000 people vs how many hundreds of thousands.

The most astonishing thing is that the US is a democracy where the people allow this.

Originally Posted by Norton

A lot to remember innit.

Crazy stuff, Norton . . . I hope your friend rests in peace

Originally Posted by panama hat

The most astonishing thing is that the US is a democracy where the people allow this.

Is it?

Yep, couldn’t agree more. It’s my hope The USA pulls all its forces out of Europe and closes the bases. Europe hasn’t needed US support for several decades. Better the US pulls out of all of most other locations around the world as well. Most folks in the USA are tired of fighting wars to defend freedoms most people in other countries don’t understand or appreciate anyhow. You want to maintain the freedom you have in your country, defend your interests around the world yourselves.

Originally Posted by ScubaJohn

Most folks in the USA are tired of fighting wars

If this is true, a simple question: why they vote for the warmongers?

^ Many times our leaders slogans and words did not match their after elected actions.

Originally Posted by ScubaJohn

Yep, couldn’t agree more. It’s my hope The USA pulls all its forces out of Europe and closes the bases. Europe hasn’t needed US support for several decades. Better the US pulls out of all of most other locations around the world as well. Most folks in the USA are tired of fighting wars to defend freedoms most people in other countries don’t understand or appreciate anyhow. You want to maintain the freedom you have in your country, defend your interests around the world yourselves.

War $$ could be better spent on cleaning up our own nest.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

If this is true, a simple question: why they vote for the warmongers?

Hardwired in their DNA.

Originally Posted by SKkin

^ Many times our leaders slogans and words did not match their after elected actions.

Then, they hope that the next one will be better at last?

However, at the end of the day, there is another question: why do some get fighting (servicing) in their leaders' wars?

^Some are hardwired...but currently many join the military because of lack of better career opportunities. In the past there was the draft.

The draft ended right before I came of age. But I spoke with one military recruiter and decided it wasn't for me. Maybe if I had joined I'd be a world traveled big shot like my cousin Storekeeper.

Originally Posted by ScubaJohn

It’s my hope The USA pulls all its forces out of Europe and closes the bases. Europe hasn’t needed US support for several decades.

But do the US need the bases ?

Originally Posted by ScubaJohn

Most folks in the USA are tired of fighting wars to defend freedoms most people in other countries don’t understand or appreciate anyhow.

Like you have done in the Americas for many decades ?

How noble

Originally Posted by ScubaJohn

defend your interests around the world yourselves.

Exactly what the US thought they were doing


And will continue doing

Originally Posted by ScubaJohn

Europe hasn’t needed US support for several decades.

True . . . but the US keeps its troops there . . . and you have heard of NATO, haven't you? The US has massive economic interests which it deems necessary to defend.

Originally Posted by ScubaJohn

Better the US pulls out of all of most other locations around the world as well.

Go for it, the US' insistence on being the self-appointed world policeman is an old and tired cliché - all you're doing is bullying and bombing countries that can't defend themselves and pose no threat to the US.
The Middle East is a good case in point, supporting dictatorships and being paid like cheap mercenaries. Yup.

Originally Posted by ScubaJohn

Most folks in the USA are tired of fighting wars to defend freedoms most people in other countries don’t understand or appreciate anyhow.

You mean the US style of freedom now being enjoyed by the people of Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, Libya etc...? Yup, American legends . . . in their own minds

Originally Posted by ScubaJohn

You want to maintain the freedom you have in your country, defend your interests around the world yourselves.

It's interesting how only the US sees this as a military crusade, forcing 'freedom' on others as long as the economic principles are held up. US economic principles, that is.

Lovely right-wing, uneducated speech blurbs a la Trump and other nutters. Aaahhh, if only life were so simple

Does the US need OUTUS military bases?

Really a pretty complicated subject when you look below the surface.

The numbers:

The US has 200k+ troops stationed at 800+ military bases in 70+ foreign countries at a cost of $150B+.

The US also has 10k+ drones, 6k+ ICBMs, 14 SSBNs and 11 aircraft carriers.

Now, as there are multiple delivery systems for both the drones and the ICBMs the USA can deploy them anywhere in the world.

Each of the fourteen Ohio class SSBNs aka holes in the water can deliver 20 SLBMs with multiple independently targeted warheads anywhere in the world.

Each of the eleven aircraft carriers can deliver both fighter and bomber aircraft anywhere in the world.

On the basis of the above, the short answer is No, the USA does not need OUTUS military bases.

However, if the USA closed all OUTUS bases they would be depriving the host countries of significant dollars, the deployed troops would lose their most exotic vacationing spots and the US military recruitment would lose the biggest incentive for attracting the smart and healthy under 26ers away from civilian life. Might even have to reinstate the draft.

Originally Posted by bowie

However, if the USA closed all OUTUS bases they would be depriving the host countries of significant dollars, the deployed troops would lose their most exotic vacationing spots and the US military recruitment would lose the biggest incentive for attracting the smart and healthy under 26ers away from civilian life.

True as well . . . though in some/many cases the host country pays the military, see S Korea, Saudi etc..
Recruitment will have to change it's slogan from: Join the military, travel the world, meet new people . . . and learn how to kill them (an oldie but a goodie)

Originally Posted by panama hat

Recruitment will have to change it's slogan from: Join the military, travel the world, meet new people . . . and learn how to kill them (an oldie but a goodie)

'If You're Poor We Will Send You To Kill Other Poor People And Then Periodically Pretend To Give A Fuck About You In Crass Displays Of Militarism Disguised As Patriotism'.

Bit of a mouth-full, granted.