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    Quote Originally Posted by kmart View Post
    Worth considering who financed Hitler and the Nazis
    Mentioned in dispatch #52 (It's VE day.) Today, 08:57 AM (It's VE day.)

    Sir!

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    for the double dealing yank bankers,

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    How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

    Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president

    Ben Aris in Berlin and Duncan Campbell in Washington 25 Sep 2004

    George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.

    The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

    His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

    The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

    The debate over Prescott Bush's behaviour has been bubbling under the surface for some time. There has been a steady internet chatter about the "Bush/Nazi" connection, much of it inaccurate and unfair. But the new documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already significant information about the Nazis' plans and policies, he worked for and profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that financed Hitler's rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune and set up its political dynasty.

    Remarkably, little of Bush's dealings with Germany has received public scrutiny, partly because of the secret status of the documentation involving him. But now the multibillion dollar legal action for damages by two Holocaust survivors against the Bush family, and the imminent publication of three books on the subject are threatening to make Prescott Bush's business history an uncomfortable issue for his grandson, George W, as he seeks re-election.

    While there is no suggestion that Prescott Bush was sympathetic to the Nazi cause, the documents reveal that the firm he worked for, Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), acted as a US base for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930s before falling out with him at the end of the decade. The Guardian has seen evidence that shows Bush was the director of the New York-based Union Banking Corporation (UBC) that represented Thyssen's US interests and he continued to work for the bank after America entered the war.

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    Online Rage as White House Dubs US, Britain ‘Victors Over Nazis’ Without Mentioning USSR

    The US has once again been caught attempting to credit itself with defeating the Wehrmacht in the finale of World War Two, with netizens en masse rushing to accuse Washington of distorting historical facts.

    Twitterians have gone wild, as on the landmark 8 May VE Day, the White House posted on its official account praise for the US and Great Britain - the countries that “had victory over the Nazis”, as the press service’s message reads, adding:

    “America's spirit will always win. In the end, that's what happens.”

    Online Rage as White House Dubs US, Britain ‘Victors Over Nazis’ Without Mentioning USSR - Sputnik International

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    ^ Sputnik International?

    But yes, the US has had its propaganda machine running for decades, whether government or Hollywood . . . do you remember the Black Hawk Down incident?

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    I was just 4 years old May 1945 but still memories of sitting on dad's shoulders watching the VE parade remain.

    It was a mix of unrestrained joy and sadness for those who lost loved ones in the war.

    Lost 2 uncles in that war and will never forget watching my father cry for the first and last time as the pipers slowly marched by. Was a day to remember for sure.

    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect,"

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    Quote Originally Posted by panama hat View Post
    ^ Sputnik International?
    According to the 'arry's advice the source is important not the content...

    It's VE day.-ve-day-jpg



    But it was already last year similarly presented the D-Day:
    with 3 representants from UK, also some others who were very active in the D-Day (Germany, also Norway?), mind a country who has been busy on other end of Europe - not so excitedly as the D-Day celebrities...

    So, why not the same at VE-Day?


    It's VE day.-d-day75-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    But it was already last year similarly presented the D-Day:
    with 3 representants from UK, also some others who were very active in the D-Day (Germany, also Norway?), mind a country who has been busy on other end of Europe - not so excitedly as the D-Day celebrities...



    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    So, why not the same at VE-Day?
    *SIGH*



    In photos: Muted celebrations mark the 75th anniversary of VE Day

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    Oi Gewalt . . .

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    Always nice to celebrate giving the Yermins a good thrashing...


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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post

    The Great Patriotic War began at 3:30am on 22 June 1941 , when the Nazi Wehrmacht invaded the Soviet Union along a front stretching from the Baltic to the Black Seas with 3.2 million German soldiers
    The Soviet Union/Russia has brought plenty of missery to its neighbours and especially its own people.

    The Great Patriotic War began on 1941 with the Soviet Union attacking
    1941 Finnland
    ohhh wait or was it
    1940 Romania
    ohhh wait or was it
    1940 Baltic States
    ohh wait or was it
    1939 Poland
    ohh wait or was it
    1938 Japan
    1937 Spain
    1929 China
    1924 Georgia
    1924 Romania
    ....
    ....
    ....
    ....
    ....
    the list is endless and it also goes the other way until now 2020.

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    ^Not surprising from you... You forgot:
    The Soviet Union/Russia has brought plenty of missery
    to German people (or perhaps it hadn't been the Germans, just the Nazis...

    Whilst the German FM does not lie:

    It's VE day.-maas-jpg


    75 Jahre Kriegsende
    Keine Politik ohne Geschichte

    Ein Gastbeitrag von Heiko Maas und Andreas Wirsching

    Allein Deutschland trägt die Verantwortung für den Zweiten Weltkrieg und den Holocaust. Wer daran Zweifel sät und andere Völker in eine Täterrolle drängt, der fügt den Opfern Unrecht zu.

    07.05.2020, 13.17 Uhr

    Germany alone is responsible for the Second World War and the Holocaust. Whoever sows doubts about it and pushes other peoples into a role of perpetrator inflicts injustice on the victims.

    Heiko Maas zum Kriegsende vor 75 Jahren: Keine Politik ohne Geschichte - DER SPIEGEL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    ^Not surprising from you...

    07.05.2020, 13.17 Uhr

    Germany alone is responsible for the Second World War and the Holocaust. Whoever sows doubts about it and pushes other peoples into a role of perpetrator inflicts injustice on the victims.

    Heiko Maas zum Kriegsende vor 75 Jahren: Keine Politik ohne Geschichte - DER SPIEGEL

    Not surprised that you are twisting my words arround like a real comi. That's what you guys always did best. I never denied of what the Germans did in World War II especially the Holocaust. So fu*k off you communist clown!
    I didn't know Germany bombed Pearl Harbour and Benitos real name was Bernd Müller Lieber Heiko Maas
    Heiko Maas was always was an oportunist, greedy and selfish.

    You have to admit that killing 20 million people like your Führer Stalin/Soviet Union is mass genocide. Not counting what they did as I mentioned above. But "maybe" that's why the others watched silently at the sidelines while Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union. I have to admit thats a big maybe
    The Soviets should therefore have 2x V days... ohh wait maybe even 3x when Putin joins the club of unforgettable dictators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    You have to admit that killing 20 million people like your Führer Stalin/Soviet Union is mass genocide. Not counting what they did as I mentioned above. But "maybe" that's why the others watched silently at the sidelines while Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union.
    Oh, that's something new, very ingenious what nobody has known: The "others" (please no names here) "watched silently" because they wanted to punish Stalin for the murder of 20 million...

    How righteous from them. They already were watching so silently when Hitler were breaching the Versailles Treaty. And their support to Hitler (it was here mentioned but perhaps nothing than a conspiracy?) and all the "appeasements" with Hitler before the war, all that by the righteous superpowers thinking that Hitler will punish Stalin for the murders.

    How heart-breaking to mourn the 20 million of Russian... (BTW, those 20 million, like many other figures we like to fake by ourselves...)

    After all, wasn't the Hitler's Russian invasion also in order to punish Stalin for the murders? (when minding the suffering of other nations, the UK either...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    The Great Patriotic War began on 1941 with the Soviet Union attacking
    1941 Finnland
    Wrong year, wrong spelling of country and what was the background ?

    You can do better than that

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    The Great Soviet Invasion War started on 17 September Soviet leader Joseph Stalin ordered the Soviet invasion of Poland on 17 September, one day after a Soviet–Japanese ceasefire at the Khalkhin Gol came into effect. After the invasion, the new border between the two powers was confirmed by the supplementary protocol of the German–Soviet Frontier Treaty. In March 1940, parts of the Karelia and Salla regions l, in Finland, were annexed by the Soviet Union after the Winter War. That was followed by Soviet annexations of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and parts of Romania (Bessarabia, Northern Bukovina and the Hertza region). Concern about ethnic Ukrainians and Belarusians had been used as pretexts for the Soviet invasion of Poland. Stalin's invasion of Bukovina in 1940 violated the pact since it went beyond the Soviet sphere of influence that had been agreed with the Axis.........

    Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact - Wikipedia


    Knowing Stalin being such a great guy, he would have stopped right there

    ....and just continue the butchering of his own Soviet Union comrades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Wrong year, wrong spelling of country and what was the background ?

    You can do better than that
    How's that
    • 20. Jahrhundert Russische Sowjetrepublik/Sowjetunion (1917–1991)

    • 1917/18–1920: Russischer Bürgerkrieg
    • 1917–1921: Ukrainisch-Sowjetischer Krieg
    • 1918: Unterstützung der Sozialisten im Finnischen Bürgerkrieg
    • 1918–1920: Unabhängigkeitskriege Estlands, Lettlands und Litauens
    • 1918–1920: Georgisch-Südossetischer Konflikt
    • 1918: Schlacht um Baku
    • 1920–1921: Polnisch-Sowjetischer Krieg
    • 1924: Unterstützung des Aufstands von Tatarbunary in Rumänien
    • 1924: Militärische Niederschlagung des August-Aufstands in Georgien
    • 1929: Krieg um die Ostchinesische Eisenbahn
    • 1937–1938: Unterstützung der Spanischen Republik im Spanischen Bürgerkrieg
    • 1938–1939: Japanisch-Sowjetischer Grenzkonflikt
    • 1939–1945: Zeit des Zweiten Weltkriegs
      • 1939: Invasion und Besetzung Ostpolens
      • 1939–1940: Krieg gegen Finnland im Sowjetisch-Finnischen Winterkrieg
      • 1940: Invasion und Annexion der baltischen Staaten
      • 1940: Besetzung des rumänischen Bessarabien
      • 1941–1944: Finnisch-Sowjetischer Fortsetzungskrieg
      • 1941–1945: Großer Vaterländischer Krieg gegen die deutschen Invasoren und deren Verbündete
      • 1941–1946: Militärische Besetzung des Nordirans
      • 1945: Beteiligung am Krieg gegen Japan in den letzten Tagen des Krieges

    • 1945–1948: In Staaten, die nach der bei der Konferenz von Jalta beschlossenen Abgrenzung der Machtsphären unter sowjetischen Einfluss gekommen waren, wurden kommunistische Regierungen durchgesetzt. Dies war in den meisten Ländern nur mit Hilfe der Roten Armee möglich (siehe zum Beispiel „Geschichte Polens“).

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    1939–1940: Krieg gegen Finnland
    You spelling in german, was just teasing on my part.

    You know there was background to the Finnish- Soviet war.


    1941–1944: Finnisch-Sowjetischer Fortsetzungskrieg

    The Finns were lucky after the war. The punishment for their support of you lot could have been severe, and none would have helped them.

    They were "finlandisized" sp. ,meaning SHOT THE FUCK UP !

    Finland was given it's freedom by Stalin btw.

    He was the commisary for 'peoples' or such

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    The Great Soviet Invasion War started on 17 September Soviet leader Joseph Stalin ordered the Soviet invasion of Poland on 17 September,
    Read something about the German-Polish Pact from 1934 and the aftermath. What the Poland had hoped with Hitler's help against Russians, even with help of France who finally declined after public outrage.

    The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was a necessity, after Stalin saw what everything was agreed in Munich 1938, a really big shame.

    And afterwards seeing what happened in 1940 in Dunkerque? When Hitler allowed graciously the hundreds of thousands French-English back to England, all his generals were crazy why suddenly so kind?

    So it was Stalin's clever draw, he had known how he can expect from Hitler and from the Western friends either...

    What for was the secret flight of Rudi Hess to Scotland 5 weeks before invasion to Russia? If he did not fail and got where he wanted to, the further proceeding would be surely different.

    Finnland war? Supported by Hitler and West as well? To open the free passage to Leningrad? A general rehearse before the full war, same as the Spanish war was. (Learn who brought Franco from Africa and his army to Spain.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Read something about the German-Polish Pact from 1934 and the aftermath. What the Poland had hoped with Hitler's help against Russians, even with help of France who finally declined after public outrage.
    Curzon Line - Wikipedia
    This could also be helpful :

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post

    Finland was given it's freedom by Stalin btw.

    He was the commisary for 'peoples' or such
    I don't know if Stalin gave Finland its freedom. Maybe he had respect for getting his ass kicked so badly

    Whoever you ask in Finland today is proud of the achievements in the winter war. Popular example: Of the capitals of the countries involved in World War II, only three were not occupied by the enemy: London, Moscow and - Helsinki. Finnish recruits don't have to be motivated to do military service - history lessons are enough. The Finnish people have long since realized that the bloody struggle was not in vain. It saved Finland from the fate of the Baltic peoples - enslavement, terror, deportation, russification. But what about the miracle? For the military historian Lieutenant Colonel Sampo Ahto there is only one explanation: "It was the unanimous will of resistance of the Finnish troops and the whole people - the spirit of the winter war."
    "The winter war was the most significant event in Finnish history," says Martti Haikio, professor of political history in Helsinki with pride. All the compatriots would then agree. For the Russians, however, it is one of the darkest and bloodiest episodes of the Stalin era. "We lost a million men," Nikita Khrushchev estimated.
    A Soviet general commented bitterly on the outcome of the war that enough land had been conquered to bury the dead. The Finns estimate that there were 200,000, plus 600,000 wounded. Khrushche: the victory was a "moral defeat".

    Gustav Mannerheim, Marshal of Finland since 1942, was probably the only person who was able to cope with the difficult situation in 1944/45.

    As a patriot and realist, he had known since 1942 that Germany could not win the war. When the brotherhood of arms was ended in September 1944, Mannerheim tried to defend Finnish interests with tact towards the former ally. He was not a party politician. After retiring in March 1945, he retired from politics. He spent the last years of his life in Switzerland because of his ailing health.

    In 1951 he was buried in Helsinki with military honors. He saved Finland in 1918 and 1944 for his followers. His critics accused him of civil war crimes and cooperation with Germany in World War II. All that remains for the historian to say is that he was an extraordinary person who, with all reservations, saved his fatherland from collapse in 1944.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post

    It's VE day.-d-day75-jpg



    At the end of the day we can all say that the Soviets/Russians are not well liked (putting it mildly). I guess this picture says it all

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    Popular example: Of the capitals of the countries involved in World War II, only three were not occupied by the enemy: London, Moscow and - Helsinki.
    Double checked ?

    I get your points, Herman

    You won't give the soviets credit where it is due.

    You are not alone

    Sad

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    At the end of the day we can all say that the Soviets/Russians are not well liked (putting it mildly). I guess this picture says it all
    Yes, instead they like the Germans (putting it mildly).
    That's why they let the Germans built the bunkers on the French coast - in der Ruhe...

    And waiting how the Russians will fare on the Eastern Front. After all, the bars in London were not so uncomfortable, were they?

    Count the years with me:

    4/1940 Dunkerque
    6/1941 Hitller invasion to Russia
    12/1941 Pearl Harbour
    6/1944 D-Day

    Over the 4 long years, where are hanging the bloody Russians?

    It's VE day.-ww2-jpg

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    ^Denmark wasn't really occupied in 41-42 ?

    Those 200000 grey-green fellows were only tourists ?

    I know we were the "Whipped Cream Front", but..............

    Shame on us

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