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    That Prince Andrew interview

    Watch the interview.

    He is clearly lying and making obvious excuses.

    No doubt, he had sex with children.

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    The female who claims she had sex with Prince Andrew was 17 years old at the alleged time. Old enough in the UK, so if it happened in the UK, he's not a pedo by UK legal standards.

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    Nor by any definition, as far as I'm aware.

    He is, however, most likely an entitled sleazeball and liar.

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    Duke of York 'lacking in compassion' for Epstein's victims
    The duke's attempt to set the record straight about his relationship with the convicted sex offender has been widely condemned.

    Monday 18 November 2019 UK

    The Duke of York is "utterly lacking in compassion" for the victims of billionaire paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

    Those are the words from a lawyer acting for five of those victims a day after Prince Andrew spoke publicly for the first time about allegations surrounding his friendship with the disgraced American.

    The Duke of York was interviewed on the BBC's Newsnight about his links to the convicted paedophile, who died in prison earlier this year, and allegations that he had sex with a 17-year-old girl.

    But his efforts to justify the friendship with Epstein and to deny knowledge of Epstein's illegal activities were labelled "disastrous", with one public relations expert comparing the interview to "watching a man in quick sand".

    Lisa Bloom, representing five of Epstein's victims, said the interview was "deeply disappointing".

    She told Sky News that Epstein's victims were "very disturbed by all those who were around Jeffrey Epstein who don't seem to get it".

    "He seems utterly lacking in the compassion and the astonishment that the rest of the world has felt after hearing from Jeffrey Epstein's victims."

    https://news.sky.com/story/duke-of-y...ctims-11863840

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    Horrible bastard!

    Even hired a high profile publicity agent to improve his public image.

    To think my taxs pay for this cvnts lifestyle.

    He needs putting in prison in the general population.

    Arrogant Nonse!!

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    There's a very high probability he used and abused vulnerable young women, just like many other powerful folks involved in the abuse ring.

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    makes one wonder why she waited 20 years to mention it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    makes one wonder why she waited 20 years to mention it.

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    You really do have some odd and conflicting ideas around the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    The female who claims she had sex with Prince Andrew was 17 years old at the alleged time. Old enough in the UK, so if it happened in the UK, he's not a pedo by UK legal standards.
    Yes, but there were apparently harems of 12/13 year olds in his residence - where Prince Andrew stayed numerous times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    makes one wonder why she waited 20 years to mention it.

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    Trauma can take a long time to surface clearly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wally Dorian Raffles View Post
    Yes, but there were apparently harems of 12/13 year olds in his residence - where Prince Andrew stayed numerous times.
    In Prince Andrew's residence? Or Epstein's?

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    ^ Epstien's. He stayed there a number of times . It's all in the interview. He also stayed at Prince Andrew's.

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    that andrew is an arrogant entitled fool marinated in privilege is not in question, he is a victim of his cloistered upbringing, fawned over by grovelling lackeys and forelock tugging flunkeys, ignored by his mostly absent parents, and with his every wish granted he will have been left unable to exist in the wider outside world.

    with a small pension from his days in the military and relying on his mothers largesse for funds he has always been drawn to the mega rich who have used him for his position as he has used them for favours and to subsidise his lifestyle.

    he, stupidly, may very well have banged the 17 y/o in question, but she was in all probability complicit in the arrangement, enjoying the perks and favours that came with associating with epstein and his lizards. she was hardly chained to a bed. she could have left at any time and seeked a life outside his gilded mansions.

    thats why i wonder why she has waited 20 years before alerting the worlds media about her victimhood.

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    Lots of rumours saying Epstien did not commit suicide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    he, stupidly, may very well have banged the 17 y/o in question, but she was in all probability complicit in the arrangement, enjoying the perks and favours that came with associating with epstein and his lizards. she was hardly chained to a bed. she could have left at any time and seeked a life outside his gilded mansions.
    Q.E.D.

    You really are quite clueless and you have no idea of her state of mind. Being chained or locked behind doors isn't the only form of captivity.

    You could of course also actually randomly be right but I recall that you also made the similar victim-blaming statements and odd assessment when confronted with an actual admitted pedophile which speaks to your default position and bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    that andrew is an arrogant entitled fool marinated in privilege is not in question, he is a victim of his cloistered upbringing, fawned over by grovelling lackeys and forelock tugging flunkeys, ignored by his mostly absent parents, and with his every wish granted he will have been left unable to exist in the wider outside world.

    with a small pension from his days in the military and relying on his mothers largesse for funds he has always been drawn to the mega rich who have used him for his position as he has used them for favours and to subsidise his lifestyle.

    he, stupidly, may very well have banged the 17 y/o in question, but she was in all probability complicit in the arrangement, enjoying the perks and favours that came with associating with epstein and his lizards. she was hardly chained to a bed. she could have left at any time and seeked a life outside his gilded mansions.

    thats why i wonder why she has waited 20 years before alerting the worlds media about her victimhood.
    My heart does not exactly bleed for him.

    Growing up so privileged gave him a sense of being untouchable.

    The girl who has spoken out against him talks of numerous girls way younger than her who were present at the time.

    It's hard to believe that he was not taking part in child sex trafficking which was clearly going on at Epstien's house during the time Andrew stayed there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wally Dorian Raffles
    Lots of rumours saying Epstien did not commit suicide.
    That whole thing is just beyond bizarre.

    It's also weird how relatively silent the whole issues has become.

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    The relationship between Prince Andrew and the late disgraced former financier Jeffrey Epstein has been revealed in an explosive new Channel 4 documentary.



    Dispatches: The Prince and the Paedophile thoroughly investigates the relationship between the two men, delving into the reasons why a member of the British royal family would choose to keep ties with a convicted sex offender. The documentary also looks closely at their connections and interviews those close to Epstein as well as exploring how the relationship came about.



    Jeffrey Epstein was found dead in his prison cell earlier this year while awaiting trial for sex trafficking charges, and Prince Andrew stands accused of having sex with the then 17-year-old Virginia Roberts Giuffre, one of Epstein's accusers.



    Reporter Cathy Newman explores Epstein’s British connections, which include Andrew and Robert Maxwell’s daughter, Ghislaine, as well as Peter Mandelson and Prince Andrew’s ex-wife, Sarah Ferguson.



    The documentary elicited much reaction online in the UK after it aired last night. Some on Twitter are criticising the fact that there has been so little media coverage of Prince Andrew's friendship with Epstein, with more attention given to the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s South African trip and interviews on ITV.



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    Harry and Meghan all over the news yesterday when C4 were broadcasting The Prince And The Paedophile. Coincidence, I'm sure



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    Others have pointed out the notable differences between the treatment of Meghan Markle and the criticism she receives compared to Prince Andrew.



    These are seven things we learned from the documentary.









    1. Jeffrey Epstein had 13 phone numbers for Prince Andrew, including a direct line to his computer’s modem.



    In the documentary, private investigator Mike Fisten had been looking into Epstein’s alleged crimes as part of this case and discovered that Epstein had 13 telephone numbers on which to contact Prince Andrew. A telephone contact book was found in Epstein’s Palm Beach residency, which included a line for the royal at Buckingham Palace. Fisten said: "You could take for instance, if looking at the section in London, you could pick out, the Duke of York, which is Prince Andrew. And when you look at that, under Duke of York it shows Buckingham Palace, London.



    "He has 13 phone numbers to contact the duke. And [these numbers went everywhere], Wood Farm, Sunninghill numbers, the palace, his home number, his home email. He even had a phone number to his modem, I guess to call into his modem."



    2. Sarah Ferguson had also been friends with Jeffrey Epstein, for at least seven years.



    Channel 4’s analysis of Epstein’s telephone records found that the Duchess of York and Epstein’s friendship had continued for at least seven years. A telephone note, dated 25th January 2005, was a message from "HRH Duchess of York Sarah (Fergie)" which said: "She is expecting your call."



    3. Jeffrey Epstein was close enough to Prince Andrew to receive an invitation to the queen’s ‘Dance of the Decades’ at Windsor Castle.



    In June 2000, Epstein was invited to the queen’s ‘Dance of the Decades’ party at Windsor Castle. According to Daily Mail royal correspondent, Richard Kay: "The queen hosted one of the grandest parties she’d had at all during her reign at Windsor Castle. They called it the 'Dance of the Decades' and it was to mark the centenary of the queen mother and I think William’s 18th, and Andrew, of course, had been 40 that year, too. So he was implicitly involved in all this and he invited Ghislaine Maxwell and a man called Jeffrey Epstein."



    4. Prince Andrew would stay with Epstein on 10 occasions over 12 years, sometimes spending days on end with him.



    Channel 4 examined the flight logs for one of Epstein’s private jets and found that on 16th April 1998, Jeffrey Epstein met "Princess Sarah Ferguson and kids" on the ground in Nassau in the Bahamas. In February 1999, "Prince Andrew himself appears for the first time, flying into the Virgin Islands, a few days later, he flies out again with JE, Jeffrey Epstein, GM Ghislaine Maxwell and a number of other people."



    5. Prince Andrew’s reputation had already been called into question.



    According to the documentary, Prince Andrew was once praised for his public service in the Falklands War. However, he was also known as "Randy Andy, the Playboy Prince" because he had a series of high-profile girlfriends and was mocked on the satirical programme Spitting Image as the "prince who can’t say no".



    6. Prince Andrew continued his friendship with Epstein even after he was arrested for alleged sex offences.



    Prince Andrew flew from Luton to Edinburgh with Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's closest associate, even after Epstein was arrested for sex offences.



    "This is a flight log for Epstein’s jet for the 1st September 2006. Epstein himself isn’t present, but Prince Andrew flies from Luton to Edinburgh with Ghislaine Maxwell and a couple of other friends. Epstein had been arrested six weeks previously on charges of soliciting prostitution."



    7. Prince Andrew allegedly had an orgy with Jeffrey Epstein and nine girls.



    The documentary re-examined the court papers which claim Epstein and Andrew had an orgy with Epstein accuser, Virginia Giuffre and eight other girls. In evidence to a Florida court four years ago, Mrs Giuffre wrote: "The third time I had sex with Andy was in an orgy on Epstein's private island in the US Virgin Islands. I was around 18 at the time.



    "Epstein, Andy, approximately eight other young girls and I had sex together.



    "The other girls all seemed and appeared to be under the age of 18 and didn't really speak English. Epstein laughed about the fact they couldn't really communicate, saying that they are the 'easiest' girls to get along with."



    The documentary also claimed that medical records from New York Presbyterian Hospital show that Mrs Giuffre was admitted on 9th July 2001 after three weeks of vaginal bleeding.



    Buckingham Palace said in a statement about Prince Andrew: "Any suggestion of impropriety with underage minors is categorically untrue.



    "It is emphatically denied that the Duke of York had any form of sexual contact or relationship with Virginia Roberts [Giuffre]."



    The Prince and the Paedophile is available to watch on All 4 here




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    ‘Paedophilia at Buckingham Palace’ – one of the files ‘lost’ by Leon Brittan

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    David Cameron reckons there was no conspiracy to cover up allegations of paedophilia by leading members of the Tory Party, despite the fact that numerous files containing evidence of a VIP paedophile ring were ‘lost’ by former Tory Home Secretary Leon Brittan.
    Of course, some people might be forgiven for wondering why on earth our security services would be prepared to do so much to protect a few MPs.
    After all, politicians – even top Tory ones – are supremely disposable to those people ‘entrusted’ with protecting the establishment.
    Well, the answer is probably that it wasn’t MPs that MI5 were trying to protect.
    One of the ‘lost’ files was titled “ALLEGATIONS OF PAEDOPHILIA AT BUCKINGHAM PALACE”:
    The Times, 24th November 1983


    It seems the allegations of a VIP paedophile ring may go much, much higher than a mere Tory cabinet.
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    For more information about the ‘lost’ Brittan files, and the ongoing investigations into alleged VIP paedophile rings, read Exaro News.
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    Related articles by Tom Pride:
    Meet the man Leon Brittan handed the lost VIP paedophile dossier to
    Why are documents relating to VIP sex crimes being kept secret until 2056?
    The truth about the Tory Party’s cover up of its links to paedophilia
    High level child abuse cover-up? Why has Theresa May barred a US journalist from the UK?
    No link at all between police, paedophilia, plebs and politicians. Probably.
    Daily Mail ‘fixer’ David Rose defends paedophilia accused and attacks child abuse victims. Again.

    https://tompride.wordpress.com/2014/...-leon-brittan/




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    It gets worse....

    https://www.scribd.com/doc/246043736...y7fLfoxMKnfV7s

    Carn't copy from this link but here's a taster..

    Unnamed members of Royal Household
    ,
    Geoffrey Dickens MP said they abused a Buckingham Palacemale employee, 16 years old 2)
    Queen Mother's Senior Aides (x4)
    , Christopher Lawler said a group of four senior aides to the QueenMother sexually assaulted him3)
    Prince Andrew, Duke of York
    ,
    child abuse allegation (see also Jeffrey Epstein & Ghislaine Maxwell)4)
    Sathya Sai Baba
    ,
    alleged to have sexually assaulted children for decades5)
    Sir Philip Bailhache
    ,
    alleged

    to have manoeuvred

    to discourage CSA victims from testifying / Haut Garenne6)
    Roger Benson
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    convicted of sexually abusing a 14 year old girl 7)
    Bishop Peter Ball
    ,
    prosecuted for child abuse8)
    Peter Bick
    ,
    child abuse allegation9)
    Lord Benjamin Britten
    , questions over relationships with children10)
    Sir Anthony Blunt
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    child abuse allegation / Elm Guest House and Kincora11)
    Sir Arthur Charles Clarke
    ,
    child abuse allegations12)
    Robert Coghlan
    ,
    convicted of importing 109 obscene tapes, 70 containing child pornography 13)
    Michael Colvin MP
    ,
    allegation that he 'arranged' a fire that killed 5 witnesses to child sexual abuse14)
    Lance Corporal of Horse Simon Wyn-Davies
    , convicted of raping child under 13 [wife also convicted] 15)
    David Donaldson
    , convicted child abuser 16)
    Jeffrey Epstein
    ,
    convicted of soliciting an underage girl for prostitution17)
    Ghislaine Maxwell
    ,
    alleged 'high-class madame' & 'co-conspirator' in Epstein's sexual abuse & sex trafficking 18)
    Christopher Exley
    ,
    convicted of possessing child abuse images19)
    Michael Fawcett
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    rape allegation20)
    Reginald Forester-Smith
    ,
    convicted of sustained child abuse involving his two daughters

    21)
    Lord Justice Fulford
    ,
    founder member of a campaign to defend the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE)22)
    Colonel Muammar Gaddafi
    ,
    child abuse allegation23)
    Patrick Gilbert
    , convicted of child abuse offences24)
    Gary Goldsmith
    ,
    pimp allegation25)
    Nicholas Greaves
    , convicted of child pornography 26)
    Stuart Hall
    ,
    child abuse allegation27)
    Rolf Harris
    ,
    convicted child abuser 28)
    Sir Peter Hayman

    child abuse allegation29)
    John Henniker-Major
    provided sanctuary on his country estate to paedophile Peter Righton30)
    Benjamin Herman
    ,
    child abuse allegation31)
    Commander Tom Herman
    ,
    child abuse images allegation32)
    Charles Nicholas Hornby
    ,
    convicted for participating in a male prostitution ring that preyed on runaway boys33)
    Edward Houghton
    , convicted of sexually abusing of five children34)
    Ted Hughes
    ,
    rape allegation35)
    Paul Kefford
    ,
    sexual groping allegation36)
    Paul Kidd
    ,
    convicted of child abuse offences37)
    Richard Langley
    , child abuse allegation / Elm Guest House38)
    Derek Laud
    ,
    lobbyist said to have belonged to Westminster abuse ring is

    alleged to have brutally raped a boy 39)
    Anthony Lee
    ,
    convicted of child abuse offences40)
    Clive McCleester
    ,
    child abuse allegation41)
    Lord Louis Mountbatten
    ,
    child abuse allegation / Kincora42)
    Lance Corporal Mark Neal
    ,
    alleged conspiracy to sexually assault a child and possessing indecent images43)
    Dr Stephen Palmer
    ,
    conviction for sexually assaulting teenager 44)
    John Phillips
    ,
    child abuse (incest and rape) allegation45)
    Harbinder Singh Rana
    ,
    convicted rapist 46)
    Jonathan Rees-Williams
    ,
    convicted of sex attacks on children47)
    Dylan Roberts
    , rape conviction48)
    Sir Jimmy Savile
    ,
    friend of royalty, thought to be one of the UK's most prolific child abusers; scores of cases49)
    Stephen Salmon
    , convicted of child abuse
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    That whole thing is just beyond bizarre.

    It's also weird how relatively silent the whole issues has become.
    Yes. The fact that he was even able to allegedly commit suicide is a big talking point. He was supposed to be on 24 hour watch in an environment where lopping himself was not possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wally Dorian Raffles
    He was supposed to be on 24 hour watch in an environment where lopping himself was not possible.
    I haven't been following it that closely but my understanding is that is one of the few things that there is an explanation for, apparently he had been taken off 24/7 watch and put on something less -- not that it would make it any more or less suspicious over all though I suppose.

    All the other shit though, the cameras being down etc., is bizarre.

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    ^ some guards have taken the blame for being slack and falling asleep during their watch. Yeah, right.

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    It's hard to believe that he was not taking part in child sex trafficking which was clearly going on at Epstien's house during the time Andrew stayed there.
    on a similar theme, years before jimmy savile was exposed as an abusive pedophile, the respected journalist louis theroux lived at saviles apartment for a month whilst filming a documentary about saviles extrovert personality and lifestyle. when the revelations about savile came out, theroux was amazed that during the month he spent at his apartment he had no suspicion whatsover of saviles perversions.

    epstein lived in massive mansions and rambling apartments, and it is quite possible that someone staying there would be completely unaware of the darker aspects of his lifestyle. i believe that the visit in question took place before epsteins conviction for underage sex.

    epsteins procurer in chief, ghislaine maxwell, probably has answers to all the questions being asked at the moment, and unsurprisingly she has gone awol.

    if andrew raped the girl in question then a crime has been committed, if there was sex and it was consensual, then no crime has been committed, although ethically and morally boundaries may well have been crossed in that a member of the royal family has ventured "below stairs" as it were to consummate his lust "a la droit du seigneur"

    its a messy and shameful business no doubt, but as to whether criminality is involved in andrews behaviour? i doubt it.

    his daughters must be very proud of him.

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    the madness of crowds

    not sure why so many people are crying pedophile except it gives them a warm fuzzy feeling

    why are her parents not being blamed ?

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