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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    Legal in the US?
    There seems to be no point that tax can't miss, when his 1940s 'views' obscure it for him.

    Just to be clear, Enoch, he broke the law

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    I am sure she banged andrew, and was 100% complicit in the act
    She was a trafficked kid, too young to consent under US law.

    That's it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    She was a trafficked kid, too young to consent under US law.

    That's it.
    Exactly he could have had his day in court as no compulsion to settle. In USA if one party refuses to negotiate it goes to court. Looks like the saga is not over. Our opinions do not determine who is a minor rather the jurisdiction.

    Duke of York’s civil sex case settlement to be questioned by MP in Parliament

    Labour’s Andy McDonald said he would raise the issue when MPs return to Westminster next week following their half-term break.


    Meanwhile York MP has asked him to renounce title as 88% of locals surveyed wanted no association of there home town with him.
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    I just want the chance to use a bigger porridge bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Indeed. Makes me wonder how long the taxpayers will continue to fund what is essentially an outdated unnecessary function. Not many Royals left these days.
    Charlie is going to dial down the Royal list drastically. Actually they are coining it in with seabed licenses for offshore wind power so why fund them at all, of course you could argue it all belongs to the British people.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/feb/08/queens-treasury-windfarm-bp-offshore-seabed-rights

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    She was a trafficked kid, too young to consent under US law.

    That's it.
    Yup, it's irrelevant what the age of consent is in the UK, France, France etc... It was illegal where hid it. What is also irrelevant is whether or not she knew what she was doing, was forced etc... it is simply an illegal act.

    Simple

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    There seems to be no point that tax can't miss, when his 1940s 'views' obscure it for him.

    Just to be clear, Enoch, he broke the law

    Allegedly.

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    allegedly. indeed.

    it was epstein who trafficked girls, not andrew , and the guiffre girl was free to leave epsteins clutches, his mansion, his townhouse and his private jet at any time during the many hundreds of times she willingly presented herself, but she willingly did what she did for money, and 30 years later she is after money again.

    andrew had no option but to pay up, the alternative is a long drawn out "he said, she said, no i didnt, yes you did" trial that would not serve any purpose other than to line the pockets of the avaricious lawyers and feed the appetites of the media and their dumbed down viewers/readers who have been salivating over this story for the past couple of years.

    both andrew and guiffre are loathsome liars and probably deserve each other, but all andrew did was bang a girl offered to him on a plate, a girl by the way who was complicit in bringing other girls into epstein's circle.

    guiffre, as has been reported in the press many times was texting friends before and after her encounter with andrew boasting "guess who i am with right now" and "guess who i have just slept with"

    lizards both of them, but do not conflate andrews indiscretion with the crimes of epstein.

    guiffre the money grabbing whore has successfully played the victim and feathered her nest, whilst andrew who was stupid enough to be driven by his priapism and bang someone from the "grubby lower classes" when there is no shortage of "upper class" groupies pushed by their parents in country houses up and down the country who would happily have come running should he have called, and would have kept their mouths shut afterwards, but he has been humiliated enough now for what was no more than a minor discretion 30 years ago.
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    The taxpayers can take some comfort in that Dill's tax alone will cover it.

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    The only mistake Andy made was hooking up with that ugly Bint Furgy. Fook me eh

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    The only mistake Andy made was hooking up with that ugly Bint Furgy. Fook me eh
    That Prince Andrew interview-images-jpg
    Perhaps she could take the stain, not all have the pick of the Popsies like you.
    I think he preferred Stark Koo, but her knickers had been found in more than one top drawer in an era when the British media assumed their rulers were "classy" not assy .

    If he'd settled for kwik time with a rent boy like Lulu he'd still be n line for the blow job toe job and top job.

    Like so many young matelots he was led by his tool and proved to be one.

    Here's Koo "You'll do " Stark, so much of it and in all the right places
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    Fookin bolliks to that mate. The only reason Andy thru his junk up Koo was because he payed her a fookin shit load of money eh.

    Furgy was an ugly fookin Ranga and shagged Andy for 0 Buks.

    Just sayin eh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    Fookin bolliks to that mate. The only reason Andy thru his junk up Koo was because he payed her a fookin shit load of money eh.

    Furgy was an ugly fookin Ranga and shagged Andy for 0 Buks.

    Just sayin eh.
    Crikey, Innit

    So handy to getting romantic tips from a Bonzer bloke, I never believed they called you "Twinky" in Kalgoorlie or that you wore frilly panties and a Fireman's Hose to pull the roos.

    All good mate in the big Mango, toot up some meth, snort some pussy , mow down a cop, have the handbag lead you in bondage down so pay SOAPY it's got the lot.

    ONLY ADVICE WASH YER KNOB BEFORE AND AFTER

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Indeed. Makes me wonder how long the taxpayers will continue to fund what is essentially an outdated unnecessary function. Not many Royals left these days.
    Americans (and others) love it though and it's a proper earner with the pounds it brings in to stand outside in the pissing rain and gawk at Buckingham Palace.

    I can't see them going anywhere anytime soon.

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    Makes me wonder how long the taxpayers will continue to fund what is essentially an outdated unnecessary function. Not many Royals left these days.
    costs about £1.40 per person per year.

    the financial reports relating to the royal family can be accessed here.

    Financial reports 2020-21 | The Royal Family

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    Virginia Guffer was not trafficked in any criminal sense whereby she was lured to a destination for exploitation through the use of threat, force, fraud or abuse of vulnerability.

    She was a delinquent slut by the age of 13 who absconded from authority and indulged in drugs and sex through her own delinquency during her entire adolescence.. She willingly engaged in sex with Epstein et al because she enjoyed the freeloading lifestyle it offered to her. She in fact groomed her teenage peers for Epstein and Maxwell, folk who were not so maladjusted as her, by showing off the free gifts, money and travel she had obtained simply by giving a sexual thrill to old men. This is why she was not called as a witness in the Maxwell prosecution.

    She was 17 years old and therefore capable of deciding her sexual conduct for herself when she fucked Andrew.

    That she has benefited from her own delinquency to the extent she has is a disgrace and little more than the fruits of blackmail.

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    Virginia Giuffre, with her dog Juno, enjoying a waddle along the beachfront

    Inside the quiet suburban housewife life of Virginia Giuffre.


    After a public battle with the Duke of York, the campaigner is living under the radar – with up to £10 million heading her way

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    20 February 2022 • 5:00am


    It’s unlikely that many residents of the small, laid-back Ocean Reef community (population: 8,000) know the blonde mother with a slight American accent who lives quietly in the large detached home by the beach – and who is about to receive a life-changing sum of money after alleging she was trafficked for sex to the Duke of York.

    Amid the furore surrounding the out-of-court settlement reached in the civil case against Prince Andrew, his accuser Virginia Giuffre spent last week hidden from public view, as usual, in remote seclusion in Western Australia.

    The 38-year-old has effectively been calling the shots about the future trajectory of the life, and reputation, of the Duke of York by phone and Zoom meetings, from behind the 10ft-high security gates of her beachside mansion situated on the outskirts of one of the most remote cities on earth.

    While the Duke prepares to pay a hugely embarrassing bill rumoured to be £12 million, the advocate and mother-of-three has been tucked away in her luxurious six-bedroom home, 12 miles up the coast north of Perth. Giuffre is as far away as possible from the ugly fallout, privy only to the sound of the gentle waves of the Indian Ocean from her terrace overlooking endless white sands.

    It is here that she walks her dog, Juno, each day – one of her many coping methods, she says, that she developed to try to recover from the memories of her two years as a teenage sex trafficking victim at the hands of convicted late paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.


    In late 2020, Giuffre purchased the $1.9 million AUD (£1m) property, which is believed to have been possibly funded by previous large out-of-court settlements related to Epstein and his former girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell.

    The residence comes with a deluxe, upper-level master suite and parents’ retreat, with an entertainment room, a spa, huge walk-in wardrobe, a balcony overlooking the sea and even a “make-up nook”.

    By all accounts, Giuffre has largely kept to herself, apart from occasional trips to the shops, hairdressers and ferrying her three busy teenage children – two sons in their mid to late teens, and a daughter aged 12 – to school and to their various sporting and social activities.

    Sometimes, friends of her children look her up on Google, leaving her to have to explain and reassure her brood yet again exactly why she is currently one of the most famous household names in the world.

    “They have friends that say: ‘Oh my god, is this your mum?’ ” Giuffre explained in an interview with New York website The Cut in December. “It’s a lot for them to carry. But they’re teenagers. They’re at that prime era in life where I think it’s important to teach them about sex trafficking.”

    As well as the ability to live a life largely unnoticed in Western Australia, Giuffre also does regular therapy sessions and yoga, as she revealed just recently, to ease what she describes as sleepless nights routinely disturbed by vivid dreams about her abusers.

    “I’m doing as many things to clear my mind as possible so that I can be sharp and focused when it matters,” she said.


    Giuffre, who has said in the past she endured a troubled childhood dominated by other abuse incidents and time spent in foster homes, also spends time reading messages from victims of abuse who contact her through her advocacy organisation SOAR, short for “Speak Out, Act, Reclaim”. It is believed that it is to this organisation that Prince Andrew has made a donation as part of the confidential settlement.

    Her husband Robert – a martial arts expert who is reported to work on the “fringes of the fashion industry” – was last week seen leaving the family’s white-painted property to buy supplies of beer and food, while his wife remained out of view. The Telegraph could not confirm whether the couple were currently in regular paid employment.

    But it is clear that it was Robert, an Australian native, who saved Giuffre when they fell in love and married, just 10 days later, in Thailand in 2002, after Epstein paid for her to fly to the country to do a massage course. And it is Robert who has been fundamental in supporting his wife during her decade fighting for both justice and other victims of sexual predators.

    The couple first set up their new life together in the Central Coast of New South Wales where they started a family and made a home for 11 years. The family were reported to have relocated to the United States in November 2013, initially living in Florida, and later in Colorado.

    Six years later, the family returned to Australia, basing themselves in Cairns, a popular gateway to the Great Barrier Reef, before their latest move to Western Australia.

    Giuffre has never confirmed why she chose to make her home in a state comprised mostly of arid outback, and at the furthest point away from where she had previously settled in Queensland. But she was certainly delighted by the purchase, marking the family’s delight with a smiling Instagram post in front of a “Sold” sign.

    “A lot of people joke they are happy to live and die here because you don’t ever need to leave Ocean Reef,” says Pauline Lyon of Peard Real Estate
    “A lot of people joke they are happy to live and die here because you don’t ever need to leave Ocean Reef,” says Pauline Lyon of Peard Real Estate CREDIT: Shutterstock Images
    The estate agent who sold Giuffre the family’s beachside property in December 2020 told The Telegraph that the area is “very community-based and close-knit”.

    Certainly, the relaxed, some say sleepy lifestyle in sunny Ocean Reef is a world away from the tense arguments that would have been playing out behind closed doors between legal teams in recent weeks.

    “A lot of people joke they are happy to live and die here because you don’t ever need to leave Ocean Reef,” says Pauline Lyon of Peard Real Estate. “Over here, you’re on another planet. That’s the reason why a lot of people come to Western Australia – they can see how easy our lives have been without all the lockdowns, due to our strict border controls.”

    So what now for Virginia Giuffre? Despite having struck a deal with the Duke, there is little chance of her legal battles ending any time soon. Alan Dershowitz, Epstein’s former lawyer, is currently being sued by Giuffre for defamation; however, he denies all wrongdoing and is, in fact, counter-suing Giuffre. The constant legal bills must be eye-watering.

    But at least she can pull up the drawbridge in Ocean Reef. With her children having settled into their new schools, it seems unlikely she’d uproot them for one of the more fancy, exclusive suburbs closer to the city, such as Cottesloe or Peppermint Grove.

    “Staying put means she can certainly just stay under the radar,” says one Perth media expert. “She doesn’t seem to be seeking a lifestyle where she mixes in trendy restaurants and boutiques with the local mining magnates and celebrities.”

    Under the radar for now, perhaps – but with up to £12 million heading in her direction after bringing down a Duke, a victorious Giuffre could soon have an unofficial royal title among the locals: ‘The Duchess of Ocean Reef’.

    Inside the quiet suburban housewife life of Virginia Giuffre
    what a load of nonsense.

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    As even TechnoMaestros like Baldrick will explain Flange l always cheaper in advance, thank shedloads of kbobcoin/black male later.
    Some like Lulu like it in arrears , but don't charge as it's their hobby jobby.

    I wonder if he'd been a Black male he'd have firk out, wheal never nver owe?

    You can understand Andy settling/paying orf if using his ex wife his mum, her taxpayers not his own "hard earned" Bet he's lost his entry permot to Massive Ferguson.

    What he should learn is reputation is not like Virgina Giraffe but more like Hal's pithy one lines, Cy's jolly japes, Socalled up the back climaxes, virginity when its gone it's gone as fast as DJ Pat with a cousin to shag and bill to avoid.

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    Queen’s Financial Support in Spotlight as Prince Andrew Settles Sex Abuse Case


    • Royal status of Queen’s son has been key to funding his life
    • U.K. media reports say Andrew paid $16.3 million to accuser




    Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Andrew, watch a flypast during Trooping The Colour in London, in 2019.Photographer: Max Mumby/Indigo/Getty Images By Harry Wilson, Gavin Finch, and Ellen Milligan (Bloomberg)

    When financiers from Prince Andrew’s private bank lent him 1.5 million pounds ($2 million) in 2017, they were skeptical about the scandal-hit British royal’s ability to repay the money.
    Fortunately for Andrew, the bankers were able to look past his own shaky finances and find someone else who might be good for the money: his mother. Or, as she is better known to the world, Queen Elizabeth II.

    As questions mount over how Andrew could afford a reported multimillion-dollar settlement with Virginia Giuffre, attention is once again turning to the Queen, who this year marks 70 years on the throne, and her support for her wayward second son.

    British media this week reported Andrew had been forced to pay about 12 million pounds to Giuffre to get her to drop a lawsuit accusing him of raping her when she was 17. They have also reported that the Queen helped her son fund the deal. While the terms of the settlement were confidential, Andrew said in a statement that he commended Giuffre’s bravery and pledged to make a “substantial donation” to her charity in support of victims’ rights.

    From what is known about Andrew’s personal wealth, it would not be enough to cover a settlement of this size. In 2017, staff at his private bank, Luxembourg’s Banque Havilland SA, put his wealth at about 5 million pounds, Bloomberg News has previously reported.

    “It seems highly likely that his mother will have to bail him out again to pay this enormous settlement,” said Norman Baker, a former U.K. government minister and author of a book about the British royal family’s finances. “We should have transparency on where the money is coming from.”

    Loan Papers

    Andrew’s dealings with Banque Havilland offer an insight into his finances and what role the Queen may have played in supporting her son, in addition to the 250,000-pound stipend she pays him. His other known source of income is a 20,000-pound Royal Navy pension.

    When Andrew took out a series of short-term loans from the private bank between 2015 and 2017, bank staff viewed his mother as key to the facility. “While the (increased) loan is unsecured and granted solely against the credibility of the applicant, both his position and that his mother is the Sovereign monarch of the United Kingdom should provide access to funds for repayment if need be,” they wrote in a credit application seen by Bloomberg.

    Andrew’s royal rank is referenced frequently across the document. Describing its business relationship with him, Banque Havilland stated: “The borrower is Prince Andrew the Duke of York, son of the Sovereign of the United Kingdom.” At another point, the application noted Andrew’s profession as “Prince” and his address as Buckingham Palace.

    Spokespeople for Andrew, Buckingham Palace and Banque Havilland all declined to comment.

    Legal Cost

    In the run up to this week’s settlement, speculation had grown about how Andrew would fund the case. Speaking to Bloomberg last month, Mitchell Epner, a former U.S. federal prosecutor, estimated Andrew’s legal costs could have been between $200,000 to $300,000 per month. Had the case gone to trial, he said the bill could easily have come in at $4 million to $6 million.

    Speaking after the settlement, Epner, now an attorney at Rottenberg Lipman Rich, said the reported size of the settlement didn’t “seem unusual” given the likely costs involved in a trial.

    “Of the bad options in front of him this was the best bad option, but make no mistake this was a very bad option,” he said.





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