Thread: I'm completely fcuking confused about non-binary pronouns

Originally Posted by bowie

Why not? "White People" aka the caucasian race can be discriminated against. Usually referred to as reverse discrimination. But, it can, and does occur. And no, I'm not going to provide examples.

Yeah nah, that's not what reverse discrimination means.

I'm sure you've got plenty of examples of how you, as a white man, have been actively discriminated against and repressed and oppressed by not getting absolutely everything your way though.

Originally Posted by TheRealKW

Apparently so.

Say a bunch of triggered, old white guys.

Well, I am old. Certainly white. And think it is utter bollix. But does that make me "triggered" - what the fuck does that even mean nowadays? Any time anyone thinks something is bollix they are triggered? Another corruption of the word use.

Which is *exactly* the point here. Language is an agreed form of communication. We agree that certain words mean certain things. Once each of us starts deciding what a word means in a particular context, we are going to be well and truly buggered.

Now, promulour shall traitwalk to the shittenhosen for a shindiging earlyday dump.

Originally Posted by Chico

Morgan Freeman has a very good take on racism.

Stop talking about it.

Asked what he thought about a black history month,he answered. Its American history.

He once said you stop calling me black and I'll stop calling you white.

asked if he thought Blacks were disadvantaged he answered I'm living proof we aren't.

I find it hard to believe he's that stupid.


You, on the other hand...




And sure enough, from the wiki page you probably got the rest of your info from, that bit is mysteriously missing...

Comments on racismIn 2005, Freeman criticized the celebration of Black History Month, saying, "I don't want a black history month. Black history is American history."[68] He opined that the only way to end racism is to stop talking about it, and he noted that there is no "white history month."[68] Freeman once said in an interview with 60 Minutes's Mike Wallace, "I am going to stop calling you a white man and I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man."[68][69] Freeman supported the defeated proposal to change the Mississippi state flag, which contains the Confederate battle flag.[70][71] Freeman sparked controversy in 2011 when, on CNN's Piers Morgan Tonight, he accused the Tea Party movement of racism.[72][73][74]


In reaction to the death of Freddie Gray and the 2015 Baltimore protests, Freeman said he was "absolutely" supportive of the protesters. "That unrest [in Baltimore] has nothing to do with terrorism at all, except the terrorism we suffer from the police. [...] Because of the technology—everybody has a smartphone—now we can see what the police are doing. We can show the world, Look, this is what happened in that situation. So why are so many people dying in police custody? And why are they all black? And why are all the police killing them white? What is that? The police have always said, 'I feared for my safety.' Well, now we know. OK. You feared for your safety while a guy was running away from you, right?"[75]

This is how language works - ‘you want what ? get a big black dog up ya’.

Many groups have their own discourse type and unique words which non-members of the group might not understand.

Absolutely - I'm sure some of you old, camp fellas can speak Polari..

^ That's presumably the kind of statement of the bleedin' obvious that he makes a living from.



The point, obviously, is that in this particular case, to expect someone outside of any group to which you belong to refer to you personally as 'they' is ridiculous.

And yeah, all that 'triggered' stuff gets really old.

Originally Posted by Chico

Morgan Freeman has a very good take on racism.

Stop talking about it.

Asked what he thought about a black history month,he answered. Its American history.

He once said you stop calling me black and I'll stop calling you white.

asked if he thought Blacks were disadvantaged he answered I'm living proof we aren't.

not sure how much of this is complete BS, but i'm very confident at least some of it is....the rest is likely taken out of context.

post a link, chico.....particularly for the last line of your post.

whenever you get a chance....i know you've got your hands full with the rehab center.

Originally Posted by raycarey

not sure how much of this is complete BS, but i'm very confident at least some of it is....the rest is likely taken out of context.

You are either stupid, or don't want to believe something that is true.There are many Morgan Freeman youtube vids where he says similar things

Comments on racism

In 2005, Freeman criticized the celebration of Black History Month, saying, "I don't want a black history month. Black history is American history."^[68] He opined that the only way to end racism is to stop talking about it, and he noted that there is no "white history month."^[68] Freeman once said in an interview with 60 Minutes's Mike Wallace, "I am going to stop calling you a white man and I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man."^[68][69] Freeman supported the defeated proposal to change the Mississippi state flag, which contains the Confederatebattle flag.^[70][71] Freeman sparked controversy in 2011 when, on CNN's Piers Morgan Tonight, he accused the Tea Party movement of racism.^[72][73][74]

Wiki

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

"Me, me, me"; people seem to think they have the right to make demands upon the whole of society - they don't.

This.

^

OK, i don't know for certain, but i'm fairly confident you're male (not trying to make a joke or anything, i'm just not 100%)..... so let's go with that.

you identify as male.
you absolutely want people to refer to you as male.

but there are a few people in your life....a colleague/ aneighbor/your dentist/whoever...that insist on using female pronouns when referring to you.

you've told them that you're a male...but for whatever reason, they see you as female....and insist on referring to you as female...despite the fact that it makes you uncomfortable. perhaps you've sent them an email asking them to accept who you are....maybe even sat down with them to explain why you feel they're wrong....but they just won't let it go and refuse to use male pronouns when referring to you.

they're assholes, right?

how hard could it be just to refer to you as male....what difference does it make to your neighbor/colleague/dentist?

Merriam-Webster dictionary adds 'they' as nonbinary pronoun

Attention grammar snobs: ”they” can officially be used as a singular, nonbinary pronoun. Merriam-Webster, the oldest dictionary publisher in America, officially recognized the usage today, when it added 533 words to its online dictionary.


The recognition of “they” as a singular, non-gender-specific pronoun comes as its usage grows in popularity, especially among people who identify as neither male nor female. However, these adoptees frequently face critics who claim the usage is not “grammatically correct”.


Merriam-Webster wrote a pre-emptive clapback on its blog. “We will note that ‘they’ has been in consistent use as a singular pronoun since the late 1300s; that the development of singular ‘they’ mirrors the development of the singular ‘you’ from the plural ‘you’, yet we don’t complain that singular ‘you’ is ungrammatical; and that regardless of what detractors say, nearly everyone uses the singular ‘they’ in casual conversation and often in formal writing.”

https://www.theguardian.com/science/...binary-pronoun

So...where does Hey You fit into this stimulating study and discussion?

...Merriam-Webster, the oldest dictionary publisher in America

That presumably is American language, not English language. What they want to do in the US with their bastardised form of English is up to them...

I would not mind remembering to use They, Them Their for a non-binary person if that was their preference. I see no reason to cause avoidable offence to a person who genuinely identifies as non-binary.

However, the idea that failing to use a preferred pronoun should be criminalised, as was mooted with the Canadian C16 legislation, is utterly berserk left-wing nazi-ism.

I also think non-binary people should nominate a preferred binary gender which they would prefer to go by in situations where non-binary pronoun preference is impractical to apply.

Originally Posted by Looper

I also think non-binary people should nominate a preferred binary gender which they would prefer to go by in situations where non-binary pronoun preference is impractical to apply.

How would they demonstrate their preference?

EDIT: I'm using 'they' and 'their' there to mean 'more than one person' or 'generally', just to avoid confusion.

Originally Posted by Looper

was their preference

All for addressing folk as they preferred to be addressed. But, to make such an "issue" of it? Publicity stunt. Don't know of this "they" singer smith but does they have an album coming out or recently released?

Originally Posted by bowie

does they have an album coming out?

Blimey.

Inanimate objects are doing this now?

Things really are getting complicated.

For any linguists ..
A different way to see the world.

A great article on the subject which makes a lot of sense.
https://www.wired.com/story/actually...nge-a-culture/

Originally Posted by Looper

I also think non-binary people should nominate a preferred binary gender which they would

..... be required, to have their chosen pronoun, tattooed on their forehead in large letters and in multiple languages.

Just so we all know their choice, as would be embarrassed if we were to offend 'it".

Originally Posted by happynz

The problem seems to lie in English as it has yet to adapt a more comfortable term for third-gendered peopl

The English have had for centuries and do utilise today, many words to utilise for non specific gender people,

Unfortunately the non specific gender people aren't too keen on many of them.