I usually just neck one before leaving the houseQuote:
Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp
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I usually just neck one before leaving the houseQuote:
Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp
If I were the prostitute/bargirl and had to choose between
1) A THB 100 tip and a misdirected wai (perhaps from an ignorant tourist)
or
2) A THB 5 tip and no wai (perhaps from a resident farang)
I would prefer (1)
^ I think they would prefer 100 THB tip and no wai
How ranks my shoving my mobile phone between my unwiped buttocks and asking them to smell it.....in lieu of......a lady drink
It's idiots like this who maintain the myth of the walking atm.Quote:
Originally Posted by chitown
Whats the etiquette for when you pay 500 baht for a blow job in Cascade ladyboy bar toilets (in the hope of avoiding bar fine) and then being presented with said fine when leaving?
What's the etiquette when a friend who didn't pay for the bj comes out of the toilet and urges you to leave the bar with him - quickly?
I have seen all of the points covered in the OP, and the one that pisses me off the most is the misdirected wai. They just look fucking stupid Wai-ing a bargirl.
Some others I've seen:
-No matter how drunk you are, please refrain from getting up on stage and dancing on the pole. We're not paying 45 baht per beer to see your ugly ass up there.
-I'll also second the fat farang girlfriend point. Please leave them at home where they belong. Last year I was at Happy a gogo and this 30 something fatass got up on stage and took her shirt off and then her mammoth-sized bra. The place emptied in less than a minute.
-Don't take pictures in the gogos. It's not allowed. I saw one idiot do this at Heaven Above; he was quickly escorted out after all the girls on stage yelled at him.
I think he paid for the blowjob but the question is whether he should also have to pay the bar fine. Needless to say it was contested and equally predictably i chose to wait outside.....
Since the restrooms are an integral part of the bar, he didn't take the lady out, hence no bar-fine - or are you suggesting the bar-owners are pimps and want to get their cut of any prostitution on or off the premises?:p
if you can get away with it why not, but if caught then yes, no other choice than pay the barfine. I have shagged girls in the toilet before, mainly because I was drunk and didn't want to walk into a hotel, paying a small premium to the girl for it. Yes I was avoiding the barfine because the mamasan would have refused the idea to shag the girl in the bathroom in the first place, no matter the barfine. For me it was just amusing, but if caught, the etiquette would have been to pay the barfine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake7
But Butterfly hasnt yet tackled the real etiquette question. When is it acceptable to "outbid" a girl who already has a customer (though has not yet left the bar with him).
I was amused to see this happen to Butterfly earlier in the week - no sooner had he bought her a lady drink then she vanished with another (aged) punter....
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by durianfan
Scampy was hounded off stage amidst howls of derision from both dancers and punters when he stripped to his undies and mounted the stage. In fact I am surprised he wasnt bottled.
I'm sure Rigger would have done so had he been present.
^ Nonsense. There was no discernible reaction from the customers whatsoever.
Another etiquette point then for those-who-are-beyond-reproach. If one reveals en toute confiance to a trusted adviser that one has indulged in 'mansuck madness' at Babylon, is it right for the latter to pass on that intelligence.
Now here is a quandary worth exploring. I've often been tempted to oubid a punter, but did not think it proper etiquette. However, once when I was in Patong I offered to barfine this pretty wench bartender only to find that she had already been bought. She told me that the punter had offered her 2000 baht for an all nighter. I was tempted to outbid this old bastard out of principle, but decided to look elsewhere down Bangla Rd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake7
Don't worry Moog - I wont tellQuote:
Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog
Nods as good as a wink to a blind bat
I just had a meal at Chockchai Steakhouse (very nice it was too) and generously left about 7 Baht in coins.
Anywhere that adds a service charge can definitely get fucked.
^ Trust marmite to liven up the thread.....
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Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
A whole 7 baht? I reckon Butterfly wouldn't have left so much.
On the subject of tipping, I'll admit that I'm a cheap bastard and hate the practice. That's one good thing about Korea --- there's absolutely no tipping here.
What annoys me is when the waitress (or a fit gogo wench) brings back the shiny tip tray with 15 baht --- all in 1 baht coins. Like she expects you to leave them. Or even better --- a few of those plastic stacks of one baht coins. Whenever that happens I always snatch every one of them out of principle, and then give them away to some poor sod or drop them in the bin.
^ are you sure you are not Bautterfly trolling? The similarity in tipping etiquete is extraordinary....
For people who are using a few valuable weeks of vacation time, have spent a lot of money on an airline ticket
An 80 pence tip (50 baht) isn't really going to bankrupt them
If there's too many buyers and not enough sellers, the price rises. Its not 'Spoiling the market' Its just economics 101.
Are people really concerned about spoiling the market, or do they just prefer to keep their dosh?
^A bit of both, I reckon. The "market" you speak of has stayed relatively the same since 2004 when I first visited (although barfines have slightly increases in some areas). But in some parts (particularly Phuket) the girls have become very greedy and are starting to demand more. Just my 2 cents.
Oh and as to the question of my identity, no I am not butterfly. Ask a mod to check the ip if you doubt me. Hell, I don't even have a sock on here!
But the prices did rise, and this is nothing more than extortion when consumer "surplus" (another economic term you should be familiar with) is in jeopardy. A tip is not the price, it's a gratuity for extra services rendered, which is not what is happening at the bar, there is not "extra" service for bringing back your change, and the product sold is the same regardless of the place, uniformly constant in every bar. It's acceptable to pay more for the quality of the venue, but that's totally a different issue. If the staff was "exceptionally" curtuous and "available", then a tip would make sense. In an overcrowded bar full of drunken farangs and rude staff ? not happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog
^ Yeah I tend to agree here. While in many places the prices of the girls have stayed steady, the tipping has gotten worse. I mean, what the hell is she doing? She's bringing you your drink and taking your money. Where is the customer service? Am I tipping her so that she doesn't throw the drink in my face or spit in my beer? I just hate how they "expect" you to tip them. Now if she'd take her top off and let me cop a feel, then that would be tip-worthy.
not the first time, happened to me many times. This is the etiquette to follow as I did when this happened:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blake7
- IF YOU WERE TO BUY A LADYDRINK, and the lady sit next to you for less than 1 minute and decide to go to the bathroom for 45min or go sit next to another customer with another drink or is barfined by that other customer while you are waiting, then it's good practice to contact the MAMASAN and ask NOT TO PAY FOR THE LADYDRINK. Usually, this is done without much fuss, and the evening can proceed like nothing happened. It's ok to be outbid, it's good practice, you only lose your turn, not the girl.
^haha. I would never think of contacting the mamasan. Showgirls are the worst culprits of the vanishing act.
Maybe there should be a thread on bar etiquette for the ladies. Things like you must talk to the punter at least 5 minutes before asking him to buy a drink, no leaving once said drink is bought, you must show us "the goods" before we agree to barfine you, no talking on the cellphone once said drink is bought, etc.
Nah. The list would be too long.
I knew of a guy on a forum with the handle heliogeorge who did have a laminated typed list he would hand to any girl he planned to barfine.
It would list all the things she was required to perform - eg blowjob without condom.
Well, that's not so bad then, is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by durianfan
Seeing as people are slipping in there 2c worth.......
The lady drink isn't a drink at all but a small payment to enjoy her company. I don't care if she orders a glass of water as long as she is able to make a reasonable conversation. The LAST thing I want to do is get her pissed because it is thought to be humourous. Blokes who do that make me sick.
As for tipping, well I usually leave the shrapnel in the tray [B1 coins] but I will pick up the B5 and B10 so I have change for the taxi. We have all had the "sorry Mr me no change" bit, right. If I have known the girl for some time I will slip her a red one. I will NEVER tip the bar. I buy a drink at their prices and that price includes the drink and the service. A good time chatting with the girl is the extra and I don't mind tipping for that.
The wai.....lol. I can't believe that any expat who has been here more than 3 months [me ? 13 years] would wai a BG or even the mamasan. We know that a polite nod of the head is all that is really expected in that situation. In fact I don't wai anyone unless they are older than me [which means I don't wai much...lol] or in a "higher" position within the context of the situation. It is important that the significance of the wai does not get corrupted out of ignorance.
ANY farang sheila dancing around the pole......OMG stop, I just ate. :(
ANY farang sheila dancing around the pole......OMG stop, I just ate. https://teakdoor.com/../images/smilies/icon_sad.gif
the one thing worse than that is the drunken farang bloke dancing on stage or around the pole!
I tipped 2 girls 100 baht each last night - my choice - It was at one of the 2 bars that I regularly drink at and I don't do it every time - but it gets me well looked after every time I am there.
I tipped the Taxi driver 17 baht ( 163 meter + 20 phone , round up to 200 ) - the fare schedule has not changed in the last 10 years and fuel has increased substantially , so unless the driver has pissed me off severely I give some extra willingly.
I didn't Wai anyone , but I shook hands with the bar manager.
did I breach Thai expat etiquette ?
I think that is called a handjobQuote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
this is the lounge on Teak Door , the etiquette here is to attempt to get the thread off the original topic by the end of the first page.Quote:
Originally Posted by chitown
A few years ago in a bar,one particular lady kept wanting to talk to me etc.Now she was a bit dim and had the cognitive skills of an orange.(Nice body though..:))When I got sick of her,I gave her THB100 and told her to bugger off....which she did quite happily.
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Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp
bloody hell Scamp, you know they only want to make money; a girlie drink gets them B20 or so, a proper drink, nothing
Not where I drink. They get money for both.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrAndy
Heck, I don't think anyone tips in the UK, do they? When I first got to Thailand, nobody tipped. Then the spoil sports arrived (oh, the staff only makes Bt100 a day, boo hoo) and started throwing red bills around. I decide if I get good service, good food and I feel sated; then I'll tip (I'm not a cheapie, but WTF, it's a custom thing). I'm with Marmers on the service/tax added; that's my contribution in the bill, but I rarely ate anywhere that fancy. In Vanc, we have to tip 20% or expect never to see a server near our table.
Do not monopolize the music selection or harass the dj or take over the sound board.
Do not sing rugby/football songs at loud drunken volume!
and of course always tip the DJ..:pat:
(-dodges baht coins hurled at him from all directions)
Another etiquette teaser for the Teak Doors resident authority on girlie bars:
What do you do when you are sitting in a bar and the resident ugly old trollop - who is held in deep respect by the other girls - decides to monopolise you. How do you get rid of her in favour for a more nubile option without causing offence (she may scare the other girls away from you with a fierce Issan screech). actually this monly happens in the more dodgy Cowboy establishments rather than R1 or R4... Nevertheless Butterflys wisdom on how to gracefully get rid of a pestering whore would be interesting.
Yes moog, we have heard the cellphone in the buttocks advice many times....
But surely you tip after they've already served you? Too late then for them to ignore you or spit in your soup.Quote:
In Vanc, we have to tip 20% or expect never to see a server near our table.