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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    performing gays.
    Are they like performing dwarves or bearded ladies?

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    They are Harry's entertainment in his beloved Arab world he knows fuk all about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Loopy you need to do a little research.
    This article is published by the politically correct and very gay friendly BBC.

    Only two species have been observed showing a same-sex preference for life, even when partners of the opposite sex are available. One is, of course, humans. The other is domestic sheep.
    BBC - Earth - Are there any homosexual animals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    This article is published by the politically correct and very gay friendly BBC.
    ...but...but...what does such behavior have to do with you?...b-a-a-ah-h-h...

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    Loopy have you ever tried a Penguin instead of Sheep.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...but...but...what does such behavior have to do with you?...b-a-a-ah-h-h...
    Behaviour does not need to be evolutionarily natural in order to be socially accepted and legally supported.

    We are morally sophisticated animals and we make our rules democratically according to reasoned debate.

    We legally prohibit rape despite there being an evolutionary explanation for it.

    We legally support abortion despite there being no evolutionary basis for it.

    The debate around whether gayness is 'natural' or not is not relevant to whether we support the social recognition of gay partnerships as marriage or civil partnership or whatever.

    It is not the labels that we attach to things that matter. It is how we treat individuals that matters. Gay partnerships deserve to be recognised and celebrated just like hetero partnerships because they are also profound emotional relationships.

    I would say that whether they are defined identically as marriage or similarly as civil partnerships is splitting hairs, although I know others disagree.

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    ...^and into the weeds we go...

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    Alright. I'll chime in here. No I am not but being I grew up in SF Bay area/Santa Cruz county I have been in and around gay people for years. I don't care at all peoples personal preferences of a partner but I draw the line with the full on flaming guy talking acting pathetically gay in public to draw stares and shit. I think far too many flaunt their "light in the loafers" to get a reaction. Heavy PDA should be kept at a private location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    Exclusive lifelong same-sex preference does not occur in nature.
    I see your argument and it has a fatal flaw. A lifelong preference for the same partner is the result of rational thinking. What is based on sexual attraction can also be attractive for more pragmatic purposes. So as far as "unnatural" is concerned, you might as well be saying rational thinking or pragmatism is unnatural.

    Question, Looper: Are you trying to procreate every time you have sex?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    very gay friendly BBC.
    Does "gay friendly" disqualify them from being accurate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2 View Post
    Heavy PDA should be kept at a private location.
    Hetero as well as gay PDA, right?
    It's a whole other subject for debate, PDA. But the debate should not involve sexuality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    They are Harry's entertainment in his beloved Arab world he knows fuk all about.

    I'm pretty sure if I describe your posts to my Arab colleagues, male or female, they will probably draw the same conclusion.

    Loosely translated, it goes "That Chico is a fucking shit stabber and no mistake".

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    Pray tell El Tel

    Are Homosexual acts in Arab countries accepted.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    Pray tell El Tel

    Are Homosexual acts in Arab countries accepted.?
    Amongst the gays, I expect so! And, no doubt, amongst the more enlightened heteros, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    I see your argument and it has a fatal flaw. A lifelong preference for the same partner is the result of rational thinking.
    The original point being discussed was about whether being sexually attracted only to members of your own gender for your entire life to the exclusion of members of the opposite gender is natural, in the sense of it being behaviour that is shaped by evolutionary forces.

    It is vanishingly unlikely that this behaviour is natural in that sense. There is no plausible evolutionary rationale for this behaviour.

    But that does not matter when it comes to how human society treats gay people.

    On the contrary, making your fair treatment of gay people contingent upon their behaviour having an evolutionary rationale is going to trip you up.

    What do you do when it is proven beyond doubt that there is no evolutionary rationale for exclusive homosexuality? Cancel all the marriage certificates?

    Of course not. We simply base our acceptance of gay partnerships on the fact that this is what gay people want and that as fellow humans we value their well-being.

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    Loopy thanks for telling us what the video was about,I never watched it all,I got about a minute through it and thought what a load of total pooh the new aged ponce was talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    Hetero as well as gay PDA, right?
    It's a whole other subject for debate, PDA. But the debate should not involve sexuality.
    Absolutely. ALL "Heavy" PDA should be kept in private locations. A hug, holding hands and slight kiss...OK. But flat ass groping and whatever should be curtailed. I hated being out at dinner, a club or an event and seeing couples (gay or not) sucking face and grabbing ass. FFS. Get a room...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    The original point being discussed was about whether being sexually attracted only to members of your own gender for your entire life to the exclusion of members of the opposite gender is natural, in the sense of it being behaviour that is shaped by evolutionary forces.
    , no, you are moving the goalposts. That is not the original point at all. It is you who introduced the element of lifelong partnerships.
    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    What do you do when it is proven beyond doubt that there is no evolutionary rationale for exclusive homosexuality? Cancel all the marriage certificates?
    Does every decision you make depend on evolutionary rationale....casual sex with whomsoever you want, for example? Your introduction of "marriage certificates" is non-sequitur and very odd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2 View Post
    I hated being out at dinner, a club or an event and seeing couples (gay or not) sucking face and grabbing ass. FFS. Get a room..
    Yep, a valid POV....so why is it pertinant in a gay-centric topic? All sexualities have members who display behaviour that is uncomfortable to others, not just gay men.

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    I guess because I answered the question. No I am not Homophobic but I do struggle with men that behave in a way that even women don't. It's like they want attention to their sexuality.

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    Its now a fashion statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2 View Post
    It's like they want attention to their sexuality.
    I know what you mean and I get the heeby jeebies seeing men kiss (but not when women kiss...double standard?), but the gays have been repressed by society for so long, some of them just revel in their new-found freedom. I don't blame them. I don't mind shuddering to my self. In time when it becomes a norm, I'm sure they will not be so adamantly demonstrative.

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    I'd just like to see tomcat's float in the annual SF Gay Pride parade. I'd imagine it looks something like this:


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    ...^so, you recognized my blue striped shirt...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKkin View Post
    I'd just like to see tomcat's float in the annual SF Gay Pride parade. I'd imagine it looks something like this:

    That float is standard fare.

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