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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    Which I didn't promise, I just said that you're suggesting Musk doctored it and left it at that.
    I didn't say anything of the kind, I only said there was no way to verify the email conversation between Musk and Stanton.

    However you then said:

    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    Yes it is a verifiable quote.
    I then asked you to prove your statement by verifying the quote which you still haven't done yet, so we can only assume you were either talking nonsense or you didn't understand what "verify" meant....and now completely accept I was right and you were wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    ...So, now you suggest that reports of his tweets may be genuine?
    I think you might have had too much sun this week, I never said his tweets were genuine only how libel law works.

    But, now that Musk has publicly apologised it looks like even he is not standing by the content of his own tweets...even though fanboys like you still are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foobar View Post
    I didn't say anything of the kind, I only said there was no way to verify the email conversation between Musk and Stanton.

    However you then said:



    I then asked you to prove your statement by verifying the quote which you still haven't done yet, so we can only assume you were either talking nonsense or you didn't understand what "verify" meant....and now completely accept I was right and you were wrong?



    I think you might have had too much sun this week, I never said his tweets were genuine only how libel law works.

    But, now that Musk has publicly apologised it looks like even he is not standing by the content of his own tweets...even though fanboys like you still are.
    It's pointless discussing things with idiots. Try and understand what "suggest" means and in future differentiate it from "said". Try also to use the word "promise" only when a promise is made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    It's pointless discussing things with idiots
    A conclusion many have reached regarding your posts over the last couple of weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    A conclusion many have reached regarding your posts over the last couple of weeks.
    Several months, actually...
    Almost sociopathic.

    Blind and dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    A conclusion many have reached regarding your posts over the last couple of weeks.
    When you're wrong, you're wrong, Cyrille. Get over it. Stop being a stung little nancy boy.

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    QED

    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Several months, actually...
    Quite right.

    I stand corrected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    It's pointless discussing things with idiots.
    Seems you've joined the old farts club,when in doubt throw insults about.

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    You would have thought that one of the world's must influential CEOs would be made of stronger stuff and not blow up at a playground jibe. I also dislike the man for polluting space- as if we haven't screwed up our own planet enough already! A bit of humility goes along way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers View Post
    The shareholders can replace him. But they won't. He is needed to keep Tesla moving forward.
    not really, he is gone

    will the replacement be better and more colorful, I doubt it, but that's not the issue here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandaloopy View Post
    You would have thought that one of the world's must influential CEOs would be made of stronger stuff and not blow up at a playground jibe. I also dislike the man for polluting space- as if we haven't screwed up our own planet enough already! A bit of humility goes along way
    It is something of a mystery, I mean a ton of downward pressure is part and parcel of being a ceo, what with project deadlines of a highly complex nature and shareholders snapping at your heels.

    I can only think Musk has been smouldering since the Thais didn't roll out the red carpet for him and decided instead to stick with the UK based cave rescue team( which was definitely the right choice) ....then he burst into flames at Vern's off the cuff remark which as someone pointed out earlier was pretty tame for the neck of woods Vern hails from..

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    Ive done some research about why media reporting a libel (which would usually be a no-no) may be ok here. There's a factor that sets Twitter apart

    “Under section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, news organizations are protected from defamation liability for content that’s created by a third party.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by CR7CristianoRonaldo View Post
    Ive done some research about why media reporting a libel (which would usually be a no-no) may be ok here. There's a factor that sets Twitter apart

    Under section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, news organizations are protected from defamation liability for content that’s created by a third party.”
    It surely depends on the laws in a particular country. The above law ^ is a US law. Not all countries are the same as the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CR7CristianoRonaldo View Post
    Ive done some research about why media reporting a libel (which would usually be a no-no) may be ok here. There's a factor that sets Twitter apart

    “Under section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, news organizations are protected from defamation liability for content that’s created by a third party.”
    No surprise there if Thai law or any other.

    Bit OT on protected Thai species getting free passes; when I wanted to sue a certain large medical facility not far from Sukhumvit for malpractice, my farang lawyer passed me to his Thai colleague who sat me down, explained the difficulties most of which were reasonable and expected, some disgusting but also expected, and in closing added, close as dammit to verbatim, 'doctors in Thailand do such a wonderful job for our people that in return the law protects them when they sometimes make mistakes'.

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    Elon Musk is a total fraud


    One disastrous tweet has finally revealed Elon Musk for what he is: a fraud.

    Enraged that a British cave diver called his idea to rescue the Thai soccer team for what it was — “a p.r. stunt [with] absolutely no chance of working” — Musk took to Twitter and called him a “pedo.”

    Just like that, Tesla’s market value plummeted by $2 billion.

    Musk has been in business since 2002. His stated goal is nothing short of transforming humanity through his products: his electric cars, space travel, and an underground high-speed Hyperloop system.

    He has yet to succeed at anything but somehow spins every failure into proof of imminent success. His only accomplishment has been this decades-long Jedi mind trick.
    ----
    Tesla is best known for blowing deadlines and consistently falling short on production.

    Tesla was founded in 2003, but the world’s largest automakers quickly surpassed Musk’s vision for electric vehicles. Tesla will never catch up. Shareholders are finally catching on.

    Musk isn’t sorry and nothing is ever his fault
    So should the government, which reportedly gifts Musk’s companies with an estimated $4.9 billion in subsidies.

    Star investor Jim Chanos called Tesla a “walking insolvency” back in 2016. He doubled down in December, saying Tesla is “headed for a brick wall.”

    SpaceX — which Musk touts as replacing NASA and colonizing Mars — has been a literal failure to launch. So many of its rockets have burned up or crashed that Musk, for reasons unknown, has made a blooper reel.

    Musk infamously does not take criticism well and refuses to be questioned or challenged — three lethal traits in a leader. On a conference call with analysts in May, Musk dismissed questions about Tesla’s diminishing capital and other dubious claims with name-calling.

    “Excuse me,” Musk said. “Next. Boring boneheaded questions are not cool.”

    Tesla’s stock plummeted 5.6 percent after that performance. They also dropped 5 percent after an April Fool’s Day tweet in which Musk announced Tesla had gone bankrupt.

    “Elon plays by his own rules,” a former Tesla exec told The Washington Post, “but I think he underestimates the weight of his own words.”

    Musk’s attempts to insert himself into the Thai cave rescue show he has less intelligence and even less humanity than we realized.

    He finally apologized on Wednesday for his disgusting accusations against the hero diver, but only after shareholders demanded it and not without accusing the diver of lying, insisting his own efforts weren’t p.r.-driven but “an act of kindness.”

    Oh — and that the sub he built was “to specifications from the dive-team leader.”

    In other words: Musk isn’t sorry and nothing is ever his fault.

    Business as usual.

    Read more:
    https://nypost.com/2018/07/21/elon-m...a-total-fraud/

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    Like so many other high achievers, he has flaws in other areas. Some WW2 generals were like this....most famously Montgomery. Brilliant, but also badly flawed.

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    ^Patton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Yup Trump is trying to make the first electric car for the masses. Trump has as well developed a rocket system that cost fractions of a NASA launch and brings the booster rocket back to earth to be used again..
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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    NOT,
    ​up your game. especially after today... Damn dude that was a shit analogy...



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    Have you read the story above at #139.
    The bit that resonates with me and in my mind confirms Musk's likeness to trump is this sentence:

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    In other words: Musk isn’t sorry and nothing is ever his fault.

    Business as usual."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Just like that, Tesla’s market value plummeted by $2 billi
    A convenient figure. The " white man living in Thailand" can focus on. Plus all service fees to gain the award for, "mental anguish".

    Quote Originally Posted by ootai View Post
    nothing is ever his fault
    Trending "GREATLY" in some societies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Elon Musk is a total fraud
    I wonder what Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning's thoughts are on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Elon Musk is a total fraud
    I would agree with this.

    Apart from dropping out of his Phd after just 2 days, his involvement in the cave rescue exposed just what a poor engineer he really is. I mean imagine working for an engineering company and you design something not in any way shape or form fit for purpose and then try to blame the people you collected the data from, when in reality it's part of the engineer's job to make sure the data being collected is valid, I think that engineer would have been sacked.

    The stuff he is famous for is old hat, rocket tech was being used during WWII and then developed by nasa.

    As for his electric vehicles:
    In August 1967, the UK Electric Vehicle Association put out a press release stating that Britain had more battery-electric vehicles on its roads than the rest of the world put together.

    There wasn't any fanfare about electric vehicles back then, they just quietly delivered fresh milk to your doorstep.

    He reminds me of guys like Jobs and Zuckerberg, able to raise money and have fanciful but not entirely original ideas, but rely heavily on real engineers and designers to make those ideas a reality.
    Last edited by foobar; 23-07-2018 at 01:37 PM.

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    ^Exactly, the world always needs a celebrity...

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    indeed, what kind of nutter would try to build the same old rocket technology that took Tintin to the Moon

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    The kind of nutter that the head of the russian space agency Roskosmos declared they can not compete with. Basically Russia has given up competing with SpaceX. They are just not capable of building rockets that can refly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers View Post
    ...rockets that can refly.
    Do you mean like Enterprise?

    Completed its first successful mission when Musk was only 6 years old and whose design began a decade before Musk was born.

    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers View Post
    The kind of nutter that the head of the russian space agency Roskosmos declared they can not compete with.
    Do you have a source for that quote?

    https://interestingengineering.com/r...-tests-by-2022

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers View Post
    They are just not capable of building rockets that can refly.
    Are the two types of rocket comparable in term of lift capacity and height achievable?

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