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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Well done, Cujo....and an interesting story.

    Addictions are indeed strange phenomenona. It yourself fighting against yourself.....the conscious against the subconscious.

    I have never studied the whole thing, and although I am familiar with the name Alan Carr, have never read anything by him (that I can remember). But my understanding of the phenomenon mirrors what Cyrille has described as Carr's method.

    It seems to me that feelings are connected to the subconscious, which is only tenuously connected to the conscious.

    Jabir....perhaps you would be well-advised to try this method ? Basically it is cold turkey, which you say is the only thing you have not tried. But your conscious really needs to want to give up. I have seen so many times people only half-heartedly wanting to. You can almost see the rationalization keeping the smoking habit in place.
    Everyone I know that's done it successfully (for at least a year and up to 20) says the same thing, the crutches are useful but it boils down to sheer will power, the conscious over the subconscious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    Thanks . Its 3 months today since my last ciggy. Its been remarkably easy after the horrible first month.

    Its very rare i even think about them now, have no cravings and enjoy a beer without them.

    Filthy fuckin habit
    Well done, not even an evil thought at smoky venues, former smoke points (after dinner etc) and routine stresses?

    And if we ever meet up per-lease no preaching the good book!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    but it boils down to sheer will power, the conscious over the subconscious
    ...not to mention social pressure and a growing sense of self-preservation...

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    Not sure about the self-preservation bit, but something to do with the hands...after >50 years it becomes a ritual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    Thanks . Its 3 months today since my last ciggy. Its been remarkably easy afterthe horrible first month.

    Its very rare i even think about them now, have no cravings and enjoy a beer without them.

    Filthy fuckin habit
    Congratulations. Well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Not sure about the self-preservation bit, but something to do with the hands
    ...self-touching then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    Thanks . Its 3 months today since my last ciggy.
    Onya, Dill-boy.


    After 1 hour

    In as little as 20 minutes after the last cigarette is smoked, the heart rate drops and returns to normal. Blood pressure begins to drop, and circulation may start to improve.

    After 12 hours
    Cigarettes contain a lot of known toxins including carbon monoxide, a gas present in cigarette smoke.
    This gas can be harmful or fatal in high doses and prevents oxygen from entering the lungs and blood. When inhaled in large doses in a short time, suffocation can occur from lack of oxygen.
    After just 12 hours without a cigarette, the body cleanses itself of the excess carbon monoxide from the cigarettes. The carbon monoxide level returns to normal, increasing the body's oxygen levels.

    After 1 day
    Just 1 day after quitting smoking, the risk of heart attack begins to decrease.
    Smoking raises the risk of developing coronary heart disease by lowering good cholesterol, which makes heart-healthy exercise harder to do. Smoking also raises blood pressure and increases blood clots, increasing the risk of stroke.
    In as little as 1 day after quitting smoking, a person's blood pressure begins to drop, decreasing the risk of heart disease from smoking-induced high blood pressure. In this short time, a person's oxygen levels will have risen, making physical activity and exercise easier to do, promoting heart-healthy habits.

    After 2 days
    Smoking damages the nerve endings responsible for the senses of smell and taste. In as little as 2 days after quitting, a person may notice a heightened sense of smell and more vivid tastes as these nerves heal.

    After 3 days
    3 days after quitting smoking, the nicotine levels in a person's body are depleted. While it is healthier to have no nicotine in the body, this initial depletion can cause nicotine withdrawal. Around 3 days after quitting, most people will experience moodiness and irritability, severe headaches, and cravings as the body readjusts.

    After 1 month
    In as little as 1 month, a person's lung function begins to improve. As the lungs heal and lung capacity improves, former smokers may notice less coughing and shortness of breath. Athletic endurance increases and former smokers may notice a renewed ability for cardiovascular activities, such as running and jumping.

    After 1-3 months
    For the next several months after quitting, circulation continues to improve.

    After 9 months
    Nine months after quitting, the lungs have significantly healed themselves. The delicate, hair-like structures inside the lungs known as cilia have recovered from the toll cigarette smoke took on them. These structures help push mucus out of the lungs and help fight infections.
    Around this time, many former smokers notice a decrease in the frequency of lung infections because the healed cilia can do their job more easily.

    After 1 year
    The risk of heart disease will decrease by half after quitting smoking for 1 year, and arteries and blood vessels will begin to widen after 5 years.
    One year after quitting smoking, a person's risk for coronary heart disease decreases by half. This risk will continue to drop past the 1-year mark.

    After 5 years
    Cigarettes contain many known toxins that cause the arteries and blood vessels to narrow. These same toxins also increase the likelihood of developing blood clots.
    After 5 years without smoking, the body has healed itself enough for the arteries and blood vessels to begin to widen again. This widening means the blood is less likely to clot, lowering the risk of stroke.
    The risk of stroke will continue to reduce over the next 10 years as the body heals more and more.

    After 10 years
    After 10 years, a person's chances of developing lung cancer and dying from it are roughly cut in half compared with someone who continues to smoke. The likelihood of developing mouth, throat, or pancreatic cancer has significantly reduced.

    After 15 years
    After 15 years of having quit smoking, the likelihood of developing coronary heart disease is the equivalent of a non-smoker. Similarly, the risk of developing pancreatic cancer has reduced to the same level as a non-smoker.

    After 20 years
    After 20 years, the risk of death from smoking-related causes, including both lung disease and cancer, drops to the level of a person who has never smoked in their life. Also, the risk of developing pancreatic cancer has reduced to that of someone who has never smoked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Well done, not even an evil thought at smoky venues, former smoke points (after dinner etc) and routine stresses?
    A fleeting thought sometimes, purely from having the habit for near 40 years, but not an urge and very rare now, surprisingly enough. I did read somewhere it takes just 3 weeks to build or forget habits I kid myself by associating smoking now with the fags I didn't enjoy, ie when you've smoked too many in a day, rather than those lovely ones with a coffee. and take solace in not stinking like an ashtray or wheezing after walking up a flight of stairs and being confined to smoking areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    I kid myself by associating smoking now with the fags I didn't enjoy
    ...apples and oranges...to employ a fruit metaphor...

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    BTW, I wonder what smoking hooch does to the functions I listed above ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    Filthy fuckin habit
    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...good start...you may soon move on to denigrating smokers before finally viewing them with condescension as weak souls in need of pity...
    Pity for her ...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Onya, Dill-boy.


    After 1 hour

    In as little as 20 minutes after the last cigarette is smoked, the heart rate drops and returns to normal. Blood pressure begins to drop, and circulation may start to improve.

    After 12 hours
    Cigarettes contain a lot of known toxins including carbon monoxide, a gas present in cigarette smoke.
    This gas can be harmful or fatal in high doses and prevents oxygen from entering the lungs and blood. When inhaled in large doses in a short time, suffocation can occur from lack of oxygen.
    After just 12 hours without a cigarette, the body cleanses itself of the excess carbon monoxide from the cigarettes. The carbon monoxide level returns to normal, increasing the body's oxygen levels.

    After 1 day
    Just 1 day after quitting smoking, the risk of heart attack begins to decrease.
    Smoking raises the risk of developing coronary heart disease by lowering good cholesterol, which makes heart-healthy exercise harder to do. Smoking also raises blood pressure and increases blood clots, increasing the risk of stroke.
    In as little as 1 day after quitting smoking, a person's blood pressure begins to drop, decreasing the risk of heart disease from smoking-induced high blood pressure. In this short time, a person's oxygen levels will have risen, making physical activity and exercise easier to do, promoting heart-healthy habits.

    After 2 days
    Smoking damages the nerve endings responsible for the senses of smell and taste. In as little as 2 days after quitting, a person may notice a heightened sense of smell and more vivid tastes as these nerves heal.

    After 3 days
    3 days after quitting smoking, the nicotine levels in a person's body are depleted. While it is healthier to have no nicotine in the body, this initial depletion can cause nicotine withdrawal. Around 3 days after quitting, most people will experience moodiness and irritability, severe headaches, and cravings as the body readjusts.

    After 1 month
    In as little as 1 month, a person's lung function begins to improve. As the lungs heal and lung capacity improves, former smokers may notice less coughing and shortness of breath. Athletic endurance increases and former smokers may notice a renewed ability for cardiovascular activities, such as running and jumping.

    After 1-3 months
    For the next several months after quitting, circulation continues to improve.

    After 9 months
    Nine months after quitting, the lungs have significantly healed themselves. The delicate, hair-like structures inside the lungs known as cilia have recovered from the toll cigarette smoke took on them. These structures help push mucus out of the lungs and help fight infections.
    Around this time, many former smokers notice a decrease in the frequency of lung infections because the healed cilia can do their job more easily.

    After 1 year
    The risk of heart disease will decrease by half after quitting smoking for 1 year, and arteries and blood vessels will begin to widen after 5 years.
    One year after quitting smoking, a person's risk for coronary heart disease decreases by half. This risk will continue to drop past the 1-year mark.

    After 5 years
    Cigarettes contain many known toxins that cause the arteries and blood vessels to narrow. These same toxins also increase the likelihood of developing blood clots.
    After 5 years without smoking, the body has healed itself enough for the arteries and blood vessels to begin to widen again. This widening means the blood is less likely to clot, lowering the risk of stroke.
    The risk of stroke will continue to reduce over the next 10 years as the body heals more and more.

    After 10 years
    After 10 years, a person's chances of developing lung cancer and dying from it are roughly cut in half compared with someone who continues to smoke. The likelihood of developing mouth, throat, or pancreatic cancer has significantly reduced.

    After 15 years
    After 15 years of having quit smoking, the likelihood of developing coronary heart disease is the equivalent of a non-smoker. Similarly, the risk of developing pancreatic cancer has reduced to the same level as a non-smoker.

    After 20 years
    After 20 years, the risk of death from smoking-related causes, including both lung disease and cancer, drops to the level of a person who has never smoked in their life. Also, the risk of developing pancreatic cancer has reduced to that of someone who has never smoked.
    Fook it I'm gonna give it another try, that Alan Carr book was repetitive brainwashing crap.
    Doesn't help that i've had a chest infection and been coughing up mucus for a week.
    Going cold Turkey starting now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Not sure about the self-preservation bit, but something to do with the hands...after >50 years it becomes a ritual.
    Yep. Breaking the ritual is the key. I quit on my 40th birthday. Started again on my 50th and continue to this day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    Not sure about the self-preservation bit, but something to do with the hands...after >50 years it becomes a ritual.
    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Yep. Breaking the ritual is the key. I quit on my 40th birthday. Started again on my 50th and continue to this day.
    The Japanese call that 'The Lost Decade'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chittychangchang View Post
    Going cold Turkey starting now!
    Good luck mate.

    Keep reading that book over and over,download some phone apps. Join a Quit Smoking forum. Have something ready to do battle with those awful cravings

    Look at cancer ads and patients, write down all the benefits and downfalls to smoking.

    Stay away from smokers altogether if you can, especially the fukkin downers who will tell you they quit for ages and went back.

    If you can get to a month you will be laughing and after the shit you will have been through to get there it should instil in you the cajones and grit to keep away from those fukkin horrible cancer sticks.


    It's all about resolve at the end of the day mate.just get to a month and you will see it's a piece of piss from here on.

    Be strong,if I can do it you can

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dillinger View Post
    Stay away from smokers altogether if you can, especially the fukkin downers who will tell you they quit for ages and went back.
    Good advice.

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    Healthiest people I know are moderate smokers.

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    Are they on the crackpipe too Jeff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chittychangchang View Post
    Fook it I'm gonna give it another try, that Alan Carr book was repetitive brainwashing crap.
    Doesn't help that i've had a chest infection and been coughing up mucus for a week.
    Going cold Turkey starting now!
    Let us know how you get on. Having a support group is very helpful!

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    ^^

    No cigs today, they have been making me feel like shit recently.

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    ^ good... remember that shitty taste

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Healthiest people I know are moderate smokers.
    I'd venture you don't have an extraordinarily high number of acquaintances then...

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    judging by Jeffs kitchen tiles. most of those close to him have fuckin cholera or typhoid

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chittychangchang View Post
    Fook it I'm gonna give it another try, that Alan Carr book was repetitive brainwashing crap.
    Doesn't help that i've had a chest infection and been coughing up mucus for a week.
    Going cold Turkey starting now!
    Don't 'give it a try'. You have to be totally convinced within yourself and committed to being a nonsmoker.
    From this moment forward BE a nonsmoker.
    Good luck.

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    Coughing up crap all day and feel dizzy and lightheaded.

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