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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    ^ How is the video a fake? There were several reports describing a SAM misfire and return to strike the ground close to firing position. It isn't a cruise missile.

    WRT Russian cruise missiles, they have used an estimated 2000 from a stockpile of around 6000. However, these are only estimates.
    Almost nothing about the war made for Western mainstream media consumption is true.

    Russia's cruise missile and artillery production exceeds the US's now. But the Western media is probably telling you that it is going through old stocks from the Soviet era. With missiles that weren't in service in the Soviet era. Yeah..makes sense

    RUSI is one of the oldest UK military think tanks. They wrote a piece on this topic

    The expenditure of cruise missiles and theatre ballistic missiles is just as massive. The Russians have fired between 1,100 and 2,100 missiles. The US currently purchases 110 PRISM, 500 JASSM and 60 Tomahawk cruise missiles annually, meaning that in three months of combat, Russia has burned through four times the US annual missile production. The Russian rate of production can only be estimated. Russia started missile production in 2015 in limited initial runs, and even in 2016 the production runs were estimated at 47 missiles. This means that it had only five to six years of full-scale production.

    The initial stockpile in February 2022 is unknown, but considering expenditures and the requirement to hold substantial stockpiles back in case of war with NATO, it is unlikely that the Russians are worried. In fact, they seem to have enough to expend operational-level cruise missiles on tactical targets. The assumption that there are 4,000 cruise and ballistic missiles in the Russian inventory is not unreasonable. This production will probably increase despite Western sanctions. In April, ODK Saturn, which makes Kalibr missile motors, announced an additional 500 job openings. This suggests that even in this field, the West only has parity with Russia.

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    Just an interesting mini doc
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    Russian Guided Weapons Miss the Mark, U.S. Defense Officials Say

    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Russia's cruise missile and artillery production exceeds the US's now. But the Western media is probably telling you that it is going through old stocks from the Soviet era. With missiles that weren't in service in the Soviet era. Yeah..makes sense
    More complete crap from skiddy. It should be noted that he lives in a fantasy land. Here is something closer to reality from early May..

    On Monday morning, as columns of armored vehicles and soldiers paraded through Moscow in celebration of Russia’s 1945 victory over Germany in World War II, one element of Russian military power was conspicuously missing: its warplanes. And though officials blamed bad weather for their grounding, Russian planes, pilots and air-to-ground weapons have all grossly underperformed in the war against Ukraine.

    The absence underscored President Vladimir V. Putin’s failure to build a capable modern air force, as Russian aircrews race in and out of Ukrainian airspace and heave unguided bombs while fleeing enemy surface-to-air missiles that Moscow has still not managed to destroy, even after 75 days of combat.

    Russian warplanes are generally flying 200 to 300 sorties each day, a senior Defense Department official told reporters during a briefing on Monday, but have failed to establish air superiority over Ukraine, which continues to fly its own fighters and attack jets against Russian troops. And as the war stretches into its third month, Russia has already expended many of its most accurate weapons, such as cruise missiles and both short- and medium-range ballistic missiles.

    On May 2, the Pentagon said Russia had fired more than 2,125 such weapons since the invasion began. Their use
    dropped sharply after the second week of the war, Britain’s defense secretary, Ben Wallace, said in a speech on Monday.

    The Russians “have blown through” many of their precision-guided munitions, said the senior U.S. official, who was not authorized to speak publicly on details of Russia’s shortcomings. “In fact, they continue to hit Mariupol with a lot of dumb bombs.”


    So-called dumb, or unguided, airdropped munitions, are pre-9/11 relics for the United States and NATO, as Western militaries have now almost completely converted their arsenals with kits that guide bombs to their targets with lasers or G.P.S. satellite signals.

    The official also said that sanctions and export controls established after Russia invaded Ukraine had limited Moscow’s access to the kinds of electronic components it needed to build guided weapons, thus affecting Mr. Putin’s ability to restock his military with modern aerial munitions.

    Russia’s lack of guided weapons, and their often poor accuracy when used, offers more indications of just how far behind Moscow’s armed forces are compared with Western militaries.


    Senior U.S. Defense Department officials who spoke with The New York Times on background to discuss intelligence assessments and their analysis of Russia’s failures in Ukraine said the evidence seen during the invasion pointed to a Russian guided-weapons program still in its infancy, with pilots unable to quickly locate and engage targets on the ground, and missiles launched into Ukraine that often miss their targets — if they work at all.

    The Soviet Union was relatively uninterested in developing conventional guided weapons until the mid-1980s, the officials said, and Russia has engaged in serious research and development of them only in the past two decades. Russia demonstrated some of its new arsenal in airstrikes in Syria beginning in 2015, though only in limited numbers during tightly controlled operations and under extremely favorable conditions.

    Instead of being able to quickly target Ukrainian troops and moving vehicles with laser- or satellite-guided bombs, Russia has largely shown that it can hit only fixed targets like military buildings or civilian population centers — either by firing volleys of unguided artillery shells and rocket attacks at them, U.S. officials said, or by using large guided ballistic missiles and air-launched cruise missiles that often fail or are inaccurate.

    Russian warplanes continue to rely on unguided bombs that are crude compared even with those the United States built immediately after World War II. Whereas the standard American Mark-80 series of bombs used by NATO can be readily reconfigured for different missions and have a forged steel body, the Russian counterpart is welded together. One senior intelligence official said the Russian design favored cheap mass production over accuracy and required much less assembly before flight — which makes those bombs a more attractive option for use by comparatively untrained Russian forces.

    The guided munitions Russia has been using are limited to air-launched Kh-101 cruise missiles deployed from Tu-95 Bear and Tu-160 Blackjack bombers flying in Russian and Belarusian airspace; ground-launched short- and medium-range ballistic missiles like Tochka and Iskander; and a small number of Kalibr cruise missiles fired from warships at sea, one official said.

    Many of those missiles were fielded only in the past 10 years, according to a report from the Defense Intelligence Agency. By comparison, the Pentagon was testing its first widely fielded cruise missile, called Tomahawk, in the late 1970s.

    Russia’s reliance on unguided bombs for its warplanes over Ukrainian airspace has caused confusion among government and civilian weapons analysts alike since the invasion began on Feb. 24, given that just three years ago Russia showed that it did have laser- and satellite-guided weapons — which it used to attack hospitals in Syria.

    The difference between Russia’s airstrikes in Syria and in Ukraine, however, is vast, a senior Defense Department analyst said. In Syria, Russian warplanes could fly unopposed and loiter over their targets for as long as they wanted to before dropping a guided bomb — something that Ukrainian jets and surface-to-air missiles make impossible.

    Defense Department officials also say that Russia’s targeting problem has been compounded by a failure to invest adequately in surveillance drones. Just two unarmed Russian models — the Forpost and Orlan — have been observed, while Ukraine has been hitting Russian troops and vehicles with missiles fired by TB2 drones purchased from Turkey.

    The problem has also been revealed to be one of scale, U.S. officials said: Russia has not been able to use the handful of guided bombs it used in certain parts of Syria to support the needs of a huge ground campaign in a country as large as Ukraine. And Russian cruise missiles fired at targets in Ukraine have at times missed their targets or even failed completely after launch, American officials said.

    They added that Russian war planners have most likely not been able to properly develop so-called target packages — a series of instructions fed into cruise missiles before flight that include instructions on course headings and altitudes that will bring the weapon to its intended destination — for them.

    “Syria provided an opportunity to kind of evaluate in an operational real-world situation many of those new systems that the Russians have been developing for quite a long time,” a Defense Department official said in an interview. “But they weren’t pushed to do something at scale, and so when you try to scale that up for something like Ukraine you’re really stressing the system, and could highlight some issues there.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/09/u...e-ukraine.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Russian warplanes continue to rely on unguided bombs that are crude compared even with those the United States built immediately after World War II. Whereas the standard American Mark-80 series of bombs used by NATO can be readily reconfigured for different missions and have a forged steel body, the Russian counterpart is welded together. One senior intelligence official said the Russian design favored cheap mass production over accuracy and required much less assembly before flight — which makes those bombs a more attractive option for use by comparatively untrained Russian forces.
    I was under the impression the Russians did pretty much the same thing with their unguided bombs as the US and NATO countries. That is, add a guidance kit to the dumb bomb to provide limited guidance. I say limited guidance because you still need to drop the bomb into the "basket" to get the required precision.

    KAB-500L - Wikipedia

    As compared to the Paveway and JDAM guidance kits for the MK80 series:

    General-purpose bomb - Wikipedia

    The "reconfiguration" is just that the Mk80 has nose and tail fuzes rather than only the nose fuze in the Russian bomb.

    I guess the Russians have limited supplies of the guidance kits or want to hold them in reserve in case the war escalates.

    I would hazard a guess that NATO would have equal difficulty keeping up with demand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    I would hazard a guess that NATO would have equal difficulty keeping up with demand.
    I would disagree. The US has had to maintain a steady production for many years to replenish stocks depleted in the years fighting in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Furthermore, it should be pointed out that there is no real semiconductor production in Russia. Skiddy will try to claim otherwise, but the reality is that Russia has to import basically all the microchips that it uses across its entire defense production. Many of that production will soon become crippled by sanctions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    I was under the impression the Russians did pretty much the same thing with their unguided bombs as the US and NATO countries. That is, add a guidance kit to the dumb bomb to provide limited guidance. I say limited guidance because you still need to drop the bomb into the "basket" to get the required precision.

    KAB-500L - Wikipedia

    As compared to the Paveway and JDAM guidance kits for the MK80 series:

    General-purpose bomb - Wikipedia

    The "reconfiguration" is just that the Mk80 has nose and tail fuzes rather than only the nose fuze in the Russian bomb.

    I guess the Russians have limited supplies of the guidance kits or want to hold them in reserve in case the war escalates.

    I would hazard a guess that NATO would have equal difficulty keeping up with demand.
    Anything about Russian " dumb bombs" is a total phony half truth. Russia built a smart system for dumb bombs. It is a recently developed system that uses glonass

    The SVP-24 is an enhanced navigation system that acts as a computerized bomb sight manufactured by Russian company Gefest & T that is claimed to provide similar accuracy to guided munitions.
    It uses the Continually Computed Release Point technology. It proved to be highly effective in the Russian military intervention in the Syrian Civil War and is being rolled out to all bombers.[1][2]
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    Millennium 7 is an Italian aerospace and defense engineer channel. Anything bsnub posts is pure condescending douchey fake news garbage from the Western defense media. They twist everything to make Russia look as bad as possible. RUSI is a UK think tank. It doesn't produce the kind of low information garbage that Bsnub leaves around

    This dumb bombs story is a perfect example. The SPV-24 can also hit moving targets with "dumb" bombs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Anything about Russian " dumb bombs" is a total phony half truth. Russia built a smart system for dumb bombs. It is a recently developed system that uses glonass

    The SVP-24 is an enhanced navigation system that acts as a computerized bomb sight manufactured by Russian company Gefest & T that is claimed to provide similar accuracy to guided munitions.
    Oh dear, you are out of your depth here mate.

    CCRP and CCIP have been used since the early 70's. CCRP is a lot more finicky than CCIP and you are pretty much a sitting duck during the bomb run. The calculations have severe limitations, for example, the wind speed and direction from release to the ground are only known at the release point. It's accuracy will reduce as you fly higher and so you end up in enemy kill zones.

    The idea that CCRP is in any way close to guided munitions in terms of accuracy is a total misrepresentation of the truth.

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    The big fireworks be a'goin off tonight...




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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    The big fireworks be a'goin off tonight...
    Always nice to see murderous Russians getting bombed

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    Where can I get one of these drones?



    I have got a neighbour who occasionally runs a dam pump at inconvenient times

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    dam pump
    What is a dam pump?

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    US hypersonic missile test fails yet again !

    Setback For US Hypersonic Program As Latest Test Ends In Failure; Navy Sets A Deadline To Field Its Mach 5+ Weapon

    This is a missile type that Russia has in service and has used in the military operation in Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Oh dear, you are out of your depth here mate.

    CCRP and CCIP have been used since the early 70's. CCRP is a lot more finicky than CCIP and you are pretty much a sitting duck during the bomb run. The calculations have severe limitations, for example, the wind speed and direction from release to the ground are only known at the release point. It's accuracy will reduce as you fly higher and so you end up in enemy kill zones.

    The idea that CCRP is in any way close to guided munitions in terms of accuracy is a total misrepresentation of the truth.
    Umm no Im not out of my depth here at all. SVP-24 is not a CCRP or CCIP.

    Russia has TV guided, laser guided and J-dam kits too. And the SVP-24 which is not anything close to some shit from the 19 freaking 70's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malmomike77 View Post
    What is a dam pump?
    My neighbours have got horses, and they drink a lot of water, so horsey peeps often have dams, and then to fill the horses' trough tank it has to be pumped up hill so they have a dam pump

    I sneaked through the forest in my combat leaf-camouflage webbing one afternoon and got some long lens reconnaissance photos and coordinates of the target to call in the drone strike.

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    The dam is just out of shot to the left. I did not want to compromise my position by venturing too far from cover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Looper View Post
    so horsey peeps often have dams
    OK a small stream you dam to produce a head water to pump to tanks or troughs, got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Umm no Im not out of my depth here at all. SVP-24 is not a CCRP or CCIP.
    Explain how the bombs ballistic trajectory is altered once it has left the aircraft.

    It isn't.

    Any differences between atmospheric pressure, density, and temperature; any difference in wind directions and wind velocities; any difference in aircraft ejection; any air turbulence; any manufacturing and paint differences will affect the trajectory. None can be compensated for during the flight and so it doesn't matter how accurate the bomb release point has been calculated it isn't enough to get the same CEP as a guided bomb.

    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Russia has TV guided, laser guided and J-dam kits too.
    Yes, because they need them to improve accuracy and they work even better when used in conjunction with SVP-24.

    There is no hyphen in the acronym JDAM.

    BTW, back in the '90's I modelled dumb bombs, both normal and high drag variants, and I modelled them with certain guidance kits fitted. If I say you are out of your depth here, I say it with some authority on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Explain how the bombs ballistic trajectory is altered once it has left the aircraft.

    It isn't.
    Skiddy has no idea what he is talking about, but he keeps talking anyway.

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