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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    the luxury of belief is incompatible with science.
    clearly not true.. without belief there would be no reason to cultivate science

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    and before the shit slingers start because they cannot fathom what they hear... I am and always will be Agnostic.. just for the record ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    ^^ I doubt that it's the most effective means of organizing people, but it's done the job of crowd manipulation and control with some success, but not necessarily with positive results.
    Emotional blackmail is religion's main method of creating conformity.
    again you really aren't looking at the bigger picture, one view may be that religion has enslaved mankind, but without the collective power of working for a higher purpose mankind would never have had the motivation or drive to engineer huge irrigation works to control famine, or bring peace through the rule of law, both of which were prerequisites to the development of societies and all the benefits mankind has reaped from that stability.
    Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!"

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    Yes there is abuse of Religious power and there is religious intolerance, but this is the 21st century, not the 17th.

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    Everyone has a God they worship. for some it's money, for some it's power and others it's their narcissistic self.
    It seems almost a prerequisite for others who have a need to be a follower of someone or something. Even Stalin one of the worse murderers in history has worshipers even today as do many dictators, kings and queens. For other it is a universal intelligence. Others a religious figure no matter how unbelievable or extreme. scientology, branch davidians, jamestown, creationists, Islam etc.Many of these followers are quite educated, which proves the theory educated and smart are two different things. I recall one lot of septics who killed themselves to get on board a spaceship, most of which were people who would normally be regarded as educated and intelligent. Even the Buddha has been turned from a figure of enlightenment to a deity by many of his followers, something he never professed to be in life.
    All believers basically subscribe to, Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

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    Eclecticism was first recorded to have been practiced by a group of ancient Greek and Roman philosophers who attached themselves to no real system, but selected from existing philosophical beliefs those doctrines that seemed most reasonable to them.

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    I've heard that Cockology is now an Official religion in Thailand

    Every " Rent a Boy " in Thailand has flocked to the Alter of Cock for their morning milk.

    All the Falang Pooves are not happy, they have to have a cup of tea for breakfast.

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    When filling out forms and there is a check box for religion, I always write in "non-delusional".

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    Internet is the new religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo
    without belief there would be no reason to cultivate science
    For someone who thinks so highly of himself, you sure do make stupid look good.

    Deities and faith were used to manipulate the masses when there was no explanation for simple events like the sun rising in the west every day.
    Now science can explain how things happen, there is no need for such barbaric nonsense.
    Faith, religion and deities are now superfluous. A bit like you.
    Heart of Gold and a Knob of butter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    the luxury of belief is incompatible with science.
    clearly not true.. without belief there would be no reason to cultivate science
    Belief involves accepting something as fact without conclusive proof to support it.

    Scientists don't believe, they postulate, investigate and theorize, and can only accept empirically proven phenomena to come to any form of a conclusion.

    Science is most definitely not a belief system, but a method of investigation.

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    I agree we need to ban all those religions that those forkwits believe in especially because they all believe in Bullshit, especially those Islamists. Except my religion of course which is the one true religion that all those poor misguided souls (and you atheists with no soul at all) fail to recognise as the one truth.

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    I think Neo makes a solid point that organized religion has actually assisted in promulgating what was (is) lacking in the human experience as well as highlighting and bringing forward the necessities of science whether indirectly or otherwise.

    Let's not forget that (some studies) have illustrated:

    If Islam is the fastest growing religion currently, 'no religion,' is growing even faster.

    (The "nones" / not to be confused with the atheists. The nones might be re-worded as the 'can't be arsed.' :P

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    Or the "eclectics"...Those who are open to the "experiences" of all others...Does not mean that you must "bow down for any god"...

    Simply respect the beliefs of others and learn what you can...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaitongBoy View Post
    Or the "eclectics"...
    Hmm. Must have some fairly paralleled reasonings with religious pluralism, no?

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    Have trouble with "isms," actually...Just like to be able to "acknowledge" any human as our paths cross in this ever-so-brief time we have here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaitongBoy
    Or the "eclectics"...Those who are open to the "experiences" of all others...Does not mean that you must "bow down for any god"...

    Simply respect the beliefs of others and learn what you can...
    So you are ok with creationists teaching their fairy tales in American schools is ok, or catholics ruling billions by fear and guilt?
    Utter poppycock.

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    ^ Oh gawd...Please ban this fruitcake from the entire forum...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Everyone has a God they worship. for some it's money, for some it's power and others it's their narcissistic self.
    Indeed, religion is the motivation... the backstory for peoples lives.

    Quote Originally Posted by BaitongBoy View Post
    Eclecticism was first recorded to have been practiced by a group of ancient Greek and Roman philosophers who attached themselves to no real system, but selected from existing philosophical beliefs those doctrines that seemed most reasonable to them.
    I think Eclecticism is more in the realm of spirituality.. certainly not about choosing the easy option as with religion.

    Quote Originally Posted by lom View Post
    Internet is the new religion.
    Indeed many people devote many hours to it, but is a belief in the internet motivational.?

    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Neo
    without belief there would be no reason to cultivate science
    For someone who thinks so highly of himself, you sure do make stupid look good.
    Shut up bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    the luxury of belief is incompatible with science.
    clearly not true.. without belief there would be no reason to cultivate science
    Belief involves accepting something as fact without conclusive proof to support it.

    Scientists don't believe, they postulate, investigate and theorize, and can only accept empirically proven phenomena to come to any form of a conclusion.

    Science is most definitely not a belief system, but a method of investigation.
    I'm not saying that science is a belief system, but that you need belief in science to carry it out. And besides my point is to refute your claim that religion and science are not compatible. I would elaborate further but given your propensity for lengthy and fruitless arguments and the unlikelihood that you would change your view... I just can't be bothered

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo
    I think Eclecticism is more in the realm of spirituality.. certainly not about choosing the easy option as with religion.
    Yes...I don't like the word, religion...The "whole" of it is a "spirituality" in itself...

    "Everything is everything"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo
    Shut up bitch.
    But you have an answer for everything dear.
    Quote Originally Posted by BaitongBoy
    "Everything is everything".
    Making Neoesque comments will not make you any smarter. In most cases, the opposite is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaitongBoy
    Oh gawd...Please ban this fruitcake from the entire forum...
    And just how would a no mark weed like you go about doing that weirdo?
    You ignored a similar question yesterday. Exactly how are you going to stop me posting and shut me up muppet?

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    ^ Heh...That would be nigh impossible now that you are hopelessly enraged....And bent on getting your last word in...

    This is what happens when you instigate shit...

    Perhaps you have a "splitting" brain tumour....

    555...

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    ^ there he goes flattering his own ego again. Your stupid vapidity is the instigating factor.
    Enraged? I'm not the one insisting on forum bans for other posters or telling fibs to himself. Weirdo

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    ^ Heh...Do use pads or tampons?...

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