Thread: Do smokers have rights ?

Originally Posted by Maanaam

It's just ENT trying to be a know-it-all again and failing again.

thanks for clarifying...

The good old days of lighting up in a restaurant after a meal with ones brandy.
Dash inconvenience having to pop outside to enjoy ones cigar.
Killed of the pub trade, nowadays the smell in the remaining pubs has been replaced by the smell of cheap food.
The social atmosphere distinguished.

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

the smell of cheap food

Don't forget stale beer, BO and barf.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

^ couldn't even correct the spelling properly.

And note the "sic"? Denotes he knew it was wrong and quoting from somewhere.

Cold Pizza's "sic". not mine ya dozey pedant.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by tomcat

Originally Posted by ENT

True but less so than air pollution caused by diesel exhaust fumes

different but same-same...

Different but different. Most exposure to diesel fumes is not to the same degree as tobacco smoke for smokers.
If it takes 5 minutes to smoke a ciggie, and 20 a day, that's 100 minutes of direct inhalation, plus the heat. Bike riders caught behind a truck don't have nearly the same exposure to the poison.
If what old ENT is suggesting was true, there'd be just as much, or more, lung cancer in cities among non-smokers as among smokers living in the countryside.
It's just ENT trying to be a know-it-all again and failing again.

Cue some poorly understood googling.

All true.

And people are not addicted to driving their diesel cars/trucks. They don't have a choice about where to use them. Plus, they have often misguidedly chosen them for the imagined better fuel economy.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Maanaam

^ couldn't even correct the spelling properly.

And note the "sic"? Denotes he knew it was wrong and quoting from somewhere.

Cold Pizza's "sic". not mine ya dozey pedant.

Errrm, yeah, CP's "sic"...you didn't understand that that was what I was saying...ya dozey fool... "the "sic" denotes"....

FOCUS, ENT, focus.

Fuck
Off
'Coz
U're
Stupid.

Originally Posted by tomcat

Originally Posted by Maanaam

It's just ENT trying to be a know-it-all again and failing again.

thanks for clarifying...

Yeah, redundant for normal people, I know, but he needs to be reminded.

[QUOTE=Maanaam;3514988]

Originally Posted by tomcat

Originally Posted by ENT

True but less so than air pollution caused by diesel exhaust fumes

different but same-same...

Different but different. Most exposure to diesel fumes is not to the same degree as tobacco smoke for smokers.

Maybe, maybe not, try googling, you might find some facts instead of relying on what you pull out of your fundament....

If it takes 5 minutes to smoke a ciggie, and 20 a day, that's 100 minutes of direct inhalation, plus the heat.

Wrong, Smokers don't suck on their ciggies continuously for 5 minutes a ciggy.
After 5 minutes of direct inhalation of cigarette smoke you'd suffocate before the end of the ciggy, dumbfuck. You might, that'd explain your demonstrably increasingly frequent psychotic episodes.

Smokers tend to take puffs of their ciggies, inhaling the smoke (along with C02 and C0) plus air to cool down the smoke.
Followed by exhaling the smoke, but absorbing the nicotine, CO2 and CO
Then there's a pause often where the smoker takes a sip of a drink, or chats with a friend or just forgets to take a puff.
They might spend 2 of those 5 minutes actively inhaling their cigs, so 40 minutes a day of intermittent direct smoke inhalation.

Bike riders caught behind a truck don't have nearly the same exposure to the poison.

True, they're breathing high levels of diesel fumes, CO2 and CO along with their air intake instead, clogging their lungs up dramatically with MPM 10 particles and doing even worse damage with PM2-5 particles, which also penetrate the skin, let alone the lungs.
Kidney problems arise for long distance diesel truck drivers, while kids in schools situated adjacent to highways suffer both diesel and in the past lead poisoning from traffic exhaust fumes

If what old ENT is suggesting was true, there'd be just as much, or more, lung cancer in cities among non-smokers as among smokers living in the countryside

.
In fact there is as much, but not more, as you suggest, lung cancer and cardio-pulmonary problems among urbanites caused by diesel pollution than found in rural populations, that's been known for years, but you can Google it....Chiangmai's a classic example of PM2.5 pollution arising from diesel exhausts....check out the CM AQI, then read the statistics for respiratory collapse there compared to say rural areas of Thailand or compare stats for any metropolis with their neighbouring rural areas.

You'd have to have your head completely stuck up your stupid a*se to think diesel pollution's less of a hazard than tobacco smoking, second hand or otherwise.

It's just ENT trying to be a know-it-all again and failing again.

More like you making a total dick of yourself again.

Cue some poorly understood googling.

You should have done some before blathering on about something you have very little understanding of.
All your own words eh? I believe it, all senseless crap.

^ I suggest you read everything again because you're not comprehending again.

For example where I compared urban non-smokers to rural smokers, you responded by comparing urban dwellers with rural dwellers and considering only diesel fume damage. . But my comparison, and the reason for it, although a simple idea was above your ability to understand.

King of non sequitur.

Pro or con.
Both, nothing but invented fashionable trend with a trickle of fabricated politics.

Originally Posted by thaimeme

nothing but invented fashionable trend

...unless, of course, you're driven from your balcony by Euro chimneys enjoying their view...then it's personal...

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Some smokers think they have the right to smoke on their balconies simply because it is not expressly banned......despite it going directly into the units of those next to or above them. I think this is seriously deluded thinking as there cold easily be children living in those affected units.

Whiny little bitches like yourself equate the odor of a cigarette wafting in your window with mustard gas. All while living above busy intersections with cars belching exhaust. You got your smoking ban inside the apartments, bars and restaurants and that is fine with most smokers, including myself, but when you start to get hysterical it pisses us off. Here's a tip: close your fucken window.

Fuckers like yourself bitch and moan and then lather on the cologne and perfume and step into an elevator. Something I find offensive and it actually does give me an instant headache. But, you know what? I don't start a petition about it or lobby city council.

I'm sitting on my balcony having a cigarette while I type this post.

Suck it up buttercup. Puff puff.

Originally Posted by pickel

Here's a tip: close your fucken window.

oddly, my balcony doesn't have a window...

Originally Posted by pickel

Something I find offensive and it actually does give me an instant headache

open a window in the elevator then...

^
Go back to AF you boring twat.

...^ciggies will calm your sensitive nerves...

Originally Posted by Maanaam

^ I suggest you read everything again because you're not comprehending again.

For example where I compared urban non-smokers to rural smokers, you responded by comparing urban dwellers with rural dwellers and considering only diesel fume damage. But my comparison, and the reason for it, although a simple idea was above your ability to understand.

More the case of you're being deliberately obtuse, a habit of yours.

Quote:Cold Pizza: "second hand smoke is a carcinagen"
Quote ENT:
"True but less so than air pollution caused by diesel exhaust fumes"
Quote Maanaam:
"If what old ENT is suggesting was true, there'd be just as much, or more, lung cancer in cities among non-smokers as among smokers living in the countryside."
Quote ENT:
"In fact there is as much, but not more, as you suggest, lung cancer and cardio-pulmonary problems among urbanites caused by diesel pollution than found in rural populations"

Meaning that it makes very little difference whether the two sets of populations smoke or not, my emphasis being that it's more the case of diesel fumes acting as a carcinogen rather than tobacco smoke does.

Diesel fumes, smoke pollution from rural fires and industrial pollution from cities such as Lampang (or any other such metropolis) affect both the industrial area population and neighbouring urban and rural populations, smokers and non-smokers alike.

Do you understand now? Or is that still too difficult for you to comprehend?

ENT
Maanaam sits down to pee

Originally Posted by hick

Blowing smoke near others or otherwise creating a foul area is a choice.

Heh...Just don't blow smoke up their asses and all should be fine...

Never understood the "thrill"...

Originally Posted by tomcat

ENT
Maanaam sits down to pee

His claim, not mine.

No smoking on this thread, you wankers...Heh...It disturbs the nutters...

The subject was cigarettes not diesel. (See my thread on diesel.) The diesel debate is as relevant as talking about gun control and then saying what about knives. We don't stick our mouths over an exhaust pipe and inhale. We do need to move away from diesel but to stop using it immediately would have disastrous economic consequences. I doubt you could argue the same of cigarettes.
In saying that I believe everyone should have the freedom to commit suicide as quickly or as slowly as they like as long as they don't cause someone else to suffer "collateral damage" while they indulge in their habit. I just don't see why my taxes should be wasted on their cigarette induced medical bills while they continue to smoke. In this case, if you call the tune you pay the piper.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

I just don't see why my taxes should be wasted on their cigarette induced medical bills while they continue to smoke.

A pack of smokes is mostly tax. And smokers die younger so you save on the pensions. Pensions which smokers paid into and won't collect on.

Now, what about fast food induced medical bills that my tax dollars are "wasted" on to support? Pretty sure a McD's burger isn't mostly tax.

^^ Hugh, you missed the point about diesel fumes vs ciggy smoke as potential carcinogens.
You've got a greater chance of dying from absorbing diesel exhaust fumes than of smoking cigarettes, passively or otherwise.

No one's advocated an immediate knee-jerk ban on diesel use, instead it's now being rapidly phased out as a fuel.

Phasing out of tobacco smoking has taken more than ten years so far, with no real end to its use in sight, but with major losses of profits caused in the tobacco industry.

Suicide by diesel (or other unburnt hydrocarbons in the atmosphere) is far more common than suicide by smoking tobacco alone, passively or deliberately.

Can't you see the obvious correlation between diesel pollution and rising numbers of cardio-pulmonary deaths globally?

Isn't it "collateral damage" that's caused to others while diesel car drivers indulge in their filthy habit of polluting everybody's breathing space, and not just those sitting around within a a couple of dozen feet of them?

Neither do I want to see my taxes wasted on damage control and repair of selfish diesel users, most of whom are so blase about the pollution they cause that they won't even wear a face mask while driving through dense diesel pollution, even if the AQI sits well over safe levels, three or four times higher than safe levels, on average in CM and other cities, or when driving along or within 50-100 metres of an arterial highway.

Call the tune, pay the piper.....

Originally Posted by pickel

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Some smokers think they have the right to smoke on their balconies simply because it is not expressly banned......despite it going directly into the units of those next to or above them. I think this is seriously deluded thinking as there cold easily be children living in those affected units.

Whiny little bitches like yourself equate the odor of a cigarette wafting in your window with mustard gas. All while living above busy intersections with cars belching exhaust. You got your smoking ban inside the apartments, bars and restaurants and that is fine with most smokers, including myself, but when you start to get hysterical it pisses us off. Here's a tip: close your fucken window.

Fuckers like yourself bitch and moan and then lather on the cologne and perfume and step into an elevator. Something I find offensive and it actually does give me an instant headache. But, you know what? I don't start a petition about it or lobby city council.

I'm sitting on my balcony having a cigarette while I type this post.

Suck it up buttercup. Puff puff.

I took Pickel off "Ignore", but it seems I'll have to put him back.

You moron, Pickel....I don't live anywhere near an intersection.....I live in outer suburbia. And I never wear cologne (or aftershave, for that matter).

Think of me while you have the heart attack, lung cancer or emphysema which you are inevitably going to have....eventually.