Is a Country right or wrong to deport Criminal, Non-Citizens?

**David48atTD** · 19-03-2017, 03:43 PM

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Australian Immigration Department set to deport grandmother who arrived in Australia as a two-year-old

A Brisbane grandmother who has lived in Australia for 50 years is set to be deported after Assistant Minister for Immigration Alex Hawke denied her permission to stay in the country.

Maryanne Caric has not left Australia since she arrived with her parents as a two-year-old from the then Republic of Yugoslavia, and does not speak Croatian.
On March 1, Ms Caric, a convicted drug offender detained in Sydney's Villawood detention centre, was handed deportation papers. She has no connections in Croatia, and as far as she knows, will receive no financial or health support.

It's a case that raises questions about where Australia's obligations lie, and what responsibility we have for our citizens and non-citizens.

Ms Caric has been caught up in legislative changes introduced in 2014 which, among other provisions, made it mandatory that any non-citizen who was sentenced to imprisonment of 12 months or more, would have their visas cancelled.

When a migrant is deemed to have failed the character test under Section 501 of the Migration Act, their visa is cancelled. Many of these so-called "501s" have been New Zealanders.

'I thought I was living as an Australian'

(Despite living in Australia for more then 5 decades, she's never actually applied to become an Australian Citizen).

Ms Caric, who is also known by her birth name, Mirjana, is a lifelong drug user and offender. She is not sure how many years she has spent in jail. "In the double figures," she said in an interview from Villawood detention centre.

Many of her convictions were for possession, but she has also been convicted of supply, and of trafficking — a definition which can apply to supplying more than three people.

Caric received official warnings

In the latter half of her life, Ms Caric was officially warned, twice, in 2007 and 2010, that further criminal activity could result in deportation.

She said she thought about applying for citizenship then, but figured there was little chance with her criminal record.

Drug use may not be over: Hawke

In 2015 Ms Caric was convicted of possessing 2.4g of pure heroin.
When her car was pulled over and the heroin found, police also found four mobile phones which indicated she was buying and selling illegal drugs.
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Which side of the fence do you reside on?

Ship her back to her Birth Country, or let her continue to reside in the Country where she continues to beak their Laws, but has lived her entire Adult life?

What would occur in your Home Country?

What would happen in Thailand, given similar circumstances?

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**CaptainNemo** · 19-03-2017, 03:55 PM

Alas, I would deport her... because she had repeated warnings/advice to fix the problem, and chose not to do it.

There was a recent case of a Canadian lady in the UK being stopped at an airport - she'd also come as a child and was approaching retirement. Again, she had ample time and warning to do something about it, but in that case, she appeared to believe that her parents had sorted it - but she never checked. The big difference is that she was just a normal granny of good character, not a serial hard drugs offender. I think in the UK, this would be the determining factor in cases like this.

In Thailand, I guess they would just apply local laws - which would not be fun for "Mirjana".

**Davis Knowlton** · 19-03-2017, 04:00 PM

Deport her. She's a career criminal, a drug addict, and a drain on the country. Not like she hasn't had multiple chances already.

**Dillinger** · 19-03-2017, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by David48atTD

She has no connections in Croatia, and as far as she knows, will receive no financial or health support.

doesnt sound like she wants to do a 9 to 5.

**rickschoppers** · 19-03-2017, 04:12 PM

Any country can deny entry to anyone who is not a resident for any reason.

**harrybarracuda** · 19-03-2017, 04:14 PM

I don't think anyone will miss her.

A career in Croatian MILF porn awaits.

**Storekeeper** · 19-03-2017, 04:36 PM

She should be the responsibility of Australia now. Croatia shouldn't accept her.

**jamescollister** · 19-03-2017, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Any country can deny entry to anyone who is not a resident for any reason.

But she is a resident, not a citizen though.
Australia seems to have gone a bit strange on it's immigration laws, wife's got permanent residency, but needs a visa to return to OZ.
You can be born [legally] in Australia, let your passport lapse and you need a visa to return.

Have done many immigration reports while in the prison service, white people get deported, few Africa or middle east people get kicked out.

Example, Nigerian drug smuggler, on a tourist visa, got 5 years, Nigeria has a law that says you can get the same sentence on your return, as you served in the country of the offence.
So he gets to stay, lots of strange rules, a Brit on fraud charges gets deported, but a Sudanese rapist stays.

**rickschoppers** · 19-03-2017, 05:23 PM

James, so you are saying the government does not have the right or power to deport foreign born residents?

**Storekeeper** · 19-03-2017, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

James, so you are saying the government does not have the right or power to deport foreign born residents?

Sounds to me like he's saying white people always get the shaft but them colored get to stay.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

white people get deported, few Africa or middle east people get

Originally Posted by jamescollister

a Brit on fraud charges gets deported, but a Sudanese rapist stays.

**thaimeme** · 19-03-2017, 05:51 PM

**Neverna** · 19-03-2017, 06:48 PM

She should have been encouraged or advised to get Australian citizenship asap. Perhaps she was but ignored the advice.

In the latter half of her life, Ms Caric was officially warned, twice, in 2007 and 2010, that further criminal activity could result in deportation.

She said she thought about applying for citizenship then, but figured there was little chance with her criminal record.

She has made her choices and must now pay the price, a high price.

**jamescollister** · 19-03-2017, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

James, so you are saying the government does not have the right or power to deport foreign born residents?

Not saying that, but strange rules apply, yank killed his wife in Australia, diving on there honeymoon.
Convicted of manslaughter, did time, on his release the yanks wanted to charge him, not sure under which laws, but he couldn't be deported because the US has capital punishment, wasn't a capital crime in the US.

Storekeeper, yes, if you come from a western country, with western laws you get deported, come from a country, that has different laws, commit crimes then claim asylum.

Drug smuggler from Iran say, does his time, then says he's gay, can't be deported, did deportation paper work on a Afghan drug smuggler, claimed he was in the Taliban, tortured and killed a lot of people.
Can't go home, as the families of his victims will want revenge, he lives in Melbourne now.

**DrB0b** · 19-03-2017, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

James, so you are saying the government does not have the right or power to deport foreign born residents?

It's not as black and white as that. Governments have that power but like most governmental powers there are restrictions on its use. This is called the "rule of law" and is more common in developed countries than many people seem to think. Unlimited governmental power is known as authoritarianism or dictatorship and is less common in developed countries than many people seem to think. Neither is particularly satisfactory but on the whole the "rule of law" system offers a more stable and secure society than the "mass grave/chuck them out of helicopters" system.

Oddly, many people seem to prefer the "chuck 'em out of helicopters" system, right up to the moment they're hauled out of their homes and loaded onto a chopper.

**Albert Shagnasty2017** · 19-03-2017, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Ain't that the truth.

**reddog** · 19-03-2017, 08:12 PM

IF these dimwit crims have never bothered to become naturalised citizens after many years i am all for turfing the scum out,saves them roaming the streets and continuing
their criminal ways.
Been some high profile bikie scum deported this way,good riddance to bad rubbish,but the African and Arab scum always play the -i will get tortured-imprisoned card back in
their original shit hole and the do-gooders rally around to keep them here.
A lot of the so-called refugees play the victim card even though they are professional
crims,they know how to play the system but at least the Govt is starting to get tough
and pissing some off.

**DrB0b** · 19-03-2017, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by reddog

IF these dimwit crims have never bothered to become naturalised citizens after many years i am all for turfing the scum out,saves them roaming the streets and continuing
their criminal ways.
Been some high profile bikie scum deported this way,good riddance to bad rubbish,but the African and Arab scum always play the -i will get tortured-imprisoned card back in
their original shit hole and the do-gooders rally around to keep them here.
A lot of the so-called refugees play the victim card even though they are professional
crims,they know how to play the system but at least the Govt is starting to get tough
and pissing some off.

Hmm, your writing style strongly hints that you may have been one of her customers. Are you hoping that this will lead to a price drop?

**ENT** · 19-03-2017, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

Alas, I would deport her... because she had repeated warnings/advice to fix the problem, and chose not to do it.

Agreed.

**reddog** · 19-03-2017, 08:37 PM

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A 1000 pardons Mr Bob,slow internet plus i don't give a rats arse.
Also is don't hang with scum or do drugs so as for that bit of shit, good riddance.
I was a migrant to OZ,made sure i was naturalised as soon as possible and assimilated
and worked,paid my taxes and obeyed the law and never looked for handouts.
So i have zero sympathy for scum who want to live a criminal live style.

**DrB0b** · 19-03-2017, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by reddog

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A 1000 pardons Mr Bob,slow internet plus i don't give a rats arse.
Also is don't hang with scum or do drugs so as for that bit of shit, good riddance.
I was a migrant to OZ,made sure i was naturalised as soon as possible and assimilated
and worked,paid my taxes and obeyed the law and never looked for handouts.
So i have zero sympathy for scum who want to live a criminal live style.

Dear God, what a waste of a life. Surely you must have done something interesting too?

**reddog** · 19-03-2017, 08:55 PM

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Yes i have,like reading your attempt in trying to be a smart arse.

**ENT** · 19-03-2017, 09:56 PM

Now that's not interesting.

**Stinky** · 19-03-2017, 10:27 PM

The woman has a drug problem so it's not surprising that her papers aren't in order

Drug addicts are known to live chaotic disorganised lives and she has lived this chaotic life of hers in Australia for 5 decades but because of a change in the rules she is to be cast adrift in a foreign land with literally nowhere and no one to go to, that's fuking disgraceful.

**DrB0b** · 19-03-2017, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Stinky

The woman has a drug problem so it's not surprising that her papers aren't in order

Drug addicts are known to live chaotic disorganised lives and she has lived this chaotic life of hers in Australia for 5 decades but because of a change in the rules she is to be cast adrift in a foreign land with literally nowhere and no one to go to, that's fuking disgraceful.

Pity she couldn't have done what reddog did and been originally transported to Oz by Barnardos.

**wasabi** · 20-03-2017, 12:17 AM

Barnardo children are of a higher calibre immigrant than her.

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