The Truth About Depression

**hick** · 06-01-2017, 02:48 AM

Do you guys think these lists are useful....ya know...to be aware of others (in this case stars of some sort) who got the unlucky 'sting' but still made their way,... or do such lists just perpetuate this ridiculous chicness of it all?

There's got to be a list of others who were in the same arena, but gave up and ended it...well - Robin Williams, obviously, that was....pretty fuckin' heavy when it happened. Philip Seymour Hoffman(?)....many more.

The following famous actors are thought to have suffered from bipolar disorder:
-Drew Carey
Jean-Claude Van Damme
-Jim Carey
Liz Taylor
-Marilyn Monroe
Carrie Fisher
-Maurice Benard
Mel Gibson
-Patty Duke
Robert Downey
-Robin Williams
Stephen Fry
-Tom Waits
Catherine Zeta Jones

Suffer(ed) from Anxiety/Depression
-Emma Stone
Johnny Depp
-Scarlett Johansson
Winona Ryder
-Kate Moss
Adele
-John Cleese
Heather Locklear

**Latindancer** · 06-01-2017, 06:38 AM

Robin Williams' death was very sad. I believe that he suffered from Parkinsons Disease with Lewy body dementia.....small structures in the brain. This condition can often cause hallucinations, and he was Googling cures in his last days.

Makes watching his movie The Fisher King very poignant.

Spike Milligan suffered manic depression. He was a vegetarian and committed to extending the circle of compassion to all living beings. He was particularly outraged by the treatment of animals in factory farms and in vivisection labs. Outspoken and unpredictable, he was once thrown out of Harrods when he tried to stuff 28lb of spaghetti down the mouth of the food hall manager. "I told him it might give him some idea of how a goose feels being force-fed maize to make pâté de foie gras. Everyone looked stunned and their faces fell..."

**Pragmatic** · 06-01-2017, 06:51 AM

Most famous of politicians to suffer depression was Winston Churchill. He had a name for his. He called it 'Black Dog'.

For months on end, Churchill was so paralysed by despair that he couldn't get out of bed to attend the simplest session of parliament. He had no energy, no interests, lost his appetite, couldn't concentrate. He was completely non-functional – and this didn't just happen once or twice in the 1930s, but also in the 1920s and 1910s and earlier. These darker periods would last a few months, and then he'd come out of it and be his normal self.

Winston Churchill And His 'Black Dog' Of Greatness

**ENT** · 06-01-2017, 08:04 AM

Churchill dealt to his black dog with alcohol.

Hard to understand that Britain was led by a manic depressive alcoholic for many years.

Roosevelt and Lincoln were also depressed personalities.

**John Lennon** · 06-01-2017, 08:20 AM

The suicide rate is 20+%.
BTW, the video of a patient receiving ECT has been deleted.

**Pragmatic** · 06-01-2017, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by ENT

Churchill dealt to his black dog with alcohol.

Never heard that one before.

Judging the degree of his "dependence" is obfuscated by his own contradictory remarks. On the one hand he amused himself by allowing people to think he had a bottomless capacity. (There was his famous declaration to the King of Saudi Arabia that his absolute rule of life required drinking before, during and after meals.) At the same time in his writings you catch indications that he knew his limit: the drinking stories with the Russians were exaggerated, he wrote in The Second World War ("I was properly brought up"). Elsewhere he remarked, "my father taught me to have the utmost contempt for people who get drunk." He remarked that a glass of Champagne lifts the spirits, sharpens the wits, but "a bottle produces the opposite effect." When encountered by Bessie Braddock MP with the famous "you're drunk" remark in 1946, his bodyguard, Ron Golding, was with him at the time, insisted that Churchill was not drunk, just tired and wobbly - hence his famous, devastating response. It would appear that his affinity to the bottle was at least partly a prop - like his cigars, which were often allowed to go out, rarely smoked beyond a third, and usually discarded after being well-chewed. Nevertheless he had a formidable capacity.

Alcohol Abuser

**lob** · 06-01-2017, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by hick

Do you guys think these lists are useful....ya know...to be aware of others (in this case stars of some sort) who got the unlucky 'sting' but still made their way,... or do such lists just perpetuate this ridiculous chicness of it all?

There's got to be a list of others who were in the same arena, but gave up and ended it...well - Robin Williams, obviously, that was....pretty fuckin' heavy when it happened. Philip Seymour Hoffman(?)....many more.

The following famous actors are thought to have suffered from bipolar disorder:
-Drew Carey
Jean-Claude Van Damme
-Jim Carey
Liz Taylor
-Marilyn Monroe
Carrie Fisher
-Maurice Benard
Mel Gibson
-Patty Duke
Robert Downey
-Robin Williams
Stephen Fry
-Tom Waits
Catherine Zeta Jones

Suffer(ed) from Anxiety/Depression
-Emma Stone
Johnny Depp
-Scarlett Johansson
Winona Ryder
-Kate Moss
Adele
-John Cleese
Heather Locklear

reads like a list of egotists,,,, its so because i say so, if u dont take heed i'll scream and scream and scream..... but can a shrink make them see it.

**kmart** · 06-01-2017, 10:20 AM

^A lot of those celebs doing way too much coke, pills and booze also. Which wouldn't help.

**DJ Pat** · 06-01-2017, 10:55 AM

Watching FRank Bruno's latest interview is painful, the way he describes it is spot on, the poor guy was sectioned 3 times.

Manic Depression is a fucker. It clouds every positive thought.

It takes a whole lot of mind power and effort to combat, but it can be done without ADs, many sufferers wrongly assume that these meds will make them live happily ever after, no.... it requires some personal effort to work with the meds.

I was given sertraline and prozac 6yrs ago and neither really did anything except strip me of any sexual feelings I had. That's a main side effect. You can get hard, but you'll have a real problem reaching climax.

It just totally masks any thoughts and feelings, it's weird to say that but yes its true.

Much like the contraceptive pill makes women go off sex sometimes.

It's a dilemma.

Those medications also take about a month to get in the system properly. In that month the negative feeling almost triple and thats a real fucker.

I stopped them after 2 months because my body wouldn't seem to get past the first month.

**crackerjack101** · 06-01-2017, 11:06 AM

I found this series insightful and informative.

They're all on YouTube.

**kmart** · 06-01-2017, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by DJ Pat

Watching FRank Bruno's latest interview is painful, the way he describes it is spot on, the poor guy was sectioned 3 times.

Manic Depression is a fucker. It clouds every positive thought.

I wonder, did anyone go and see Frank in Pattaya? Inspire Pattaya -- A Charitable Evening with Frank Bruno at Ananda ballroom - Thursday 3rd November 2016

Was offered tickets, but declined. Wish I'd gone along now.

Edit: This event was canceled.

**Jesus Jones** · 06-01-2017, 11:21 AM

My aunt was severely depressed apparently and decided to walk out into on oncoming truck on the M1. The driver didn't realise he had a body under his truck until a mile later. She was on meds which messed her up more. Not fair to the driver though.

Meds are a big issue.

My FL here was treated for depression and Alzheimers. He thought people were coming for him and would pack his bags knocking at out bedroom door in the early hours of the morning. He couldn't remember his family but oddly remembered my daughter and me. I asked my wife to put all the meds on the table he was on, and it was a right fuckin' cocktail of shit.

His head was lop-sided and drooling from his mouth, couldn't walk without help or dress himself. He's late 80s but always been fit. I researched the meds he was on and most of them he shouldn't have been taking and some specifically pointed to the risk of early death if suffering from Alzheimer's. I convinced the family to get a second opinion, so he was hospitalised for tests. He lost a shit-load of weight, was taking shuffling footsteps without knowing where he was going. I have photos and videos of him, and it was quite shocking to see a fit, albeit old man turn into nothing in 2 months. But to cut a very long story short, it was the meds fucking him up including his memory and cognitive ability. He was taken off all and is now back to full fitness and conversing normally. Walks daily around the area as he used to.

Always get a second or third opinion.

**Latindancer** · 06-01-2017, 11:30 AM

Fantastic .....incredible.....! Great to hear a first-hand account about that kind of thing..

The Oscar-winning actor Rod Steiger suffered from depression, and it took about 7 years out of his life.

**forreachingme** · 06-01-2017, 01:48 PM

**BaitongBoy** · 06-01-2017, 02:30 PM

Everything is everything...We all experience the same things...It's a matter of "degrees"...And "balance"...

The higher the degree of "experience," then, the more "out of balance"...

Trick is to maintain the balance...

**Pragmatic** · 06-01-2017, 02:51 PM

Depression as an illness isn't the same as having a disease or a ailment. When you have a disease or a broken bone the doctor is likely able to say 'things should clear up in a couple of weeks'. With depression there is/are no indicators on how long it will last. Therefore making one more depressed. I always found that talking to someone that understood how I felt was better than taking meds.

**DJ Pat** · 06-01-2017, 02:58 PM

How would you describe it to anyone who has never suffered?

I'd say, that stomach churning feeling of being griefstricken, heartbroken, but 5, 10 times worse, and it won't ever go away.

Broken hearts can be mended. Depression is a far bigger animal.

No wonder some take to booze, which escalates the down side, and suicide strangely can become an option

My dad was a manic depressive and at low times I can see myself being exactly like him in my behaviour towards others. My latest relationship just ended because of it. Poor girl, I just couldn't get past the first stage of thinking negative into positive. It was like my brain was blocked.

And thats after 8 months being together.
She didn't deserve it any more, she can do so much better.

But, I am not depressed about breaking up. Strangely enough I'm on a positive phase now, happy, maybe because I don't have to try so hard to mask my dark thoughts to her any more. It is like a weight off my shoulders.

Vitamin B12s are useful for depression.

**hick** · 06-01-2017, 03:06 PM

thanks! simply put and logical - deserves a re-post, imo

Originally Posted by forreachingme

**hick** · 06-01-2017, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by DJ Pat

How would you describe it to anyone who has never suffered?

Inescapable dread. A loss of interest in all things with "healthy" doses of unexplained nervousness, panic attacks, anxiety and incomprehensible shame for being alive.

Then, when I can see that this is going nowhere near understanding but rather morphing into pity and concern, I'd ask them to read:

Darkness Visible (A memoir of madness) William Styron

for a much more in-depth explanation:

It reappeared, however, that October night when I passed the gray stone
facade in a drizzle, and the recollection of my arrival so many years
before started flooding back, causing me to feel that I had come
fatally full circle.
I recall saying to myself that when I left Paris
for New York the next morning it would be a matter of forever. I was
shaken by the certainty with which I accepted the idea that I would
never see France again, just as I would never recapture a lucidity that
was slipping away from me with terrifying speed.
Only days before I had concluded that I was suffering from a serious
depressive illness, and was floundering helplessly in my efforts to
deal with it.
I wasn't cheered by the festive occasion that had
brought me to France. Of the many dreadful manifestations of the
disease, both physical and psychological, a sense of self-hatred or,
put less categorically, a failure of selfesteem is one of the most
universally experienced symptoms, and I had suffered more and more from
a general feeling of worthlessness as the malady had progressed.

https://archive.org/stream/DarknessV...dness_djvu.txt

**Mr Earl** · 06-01-2017, 05:51 PM

It pretty easy to be depressed, being exposed to all the bullshit religions, lying governments sending young people to die in foreign wars, and a truly fucked up culture which tells us to worship money and our motorcars.

The cure, get out and do something, read, learn something new, yoga, meditation, ayahuasca.
Go bicycling! Get out of your stupid fucking car!
Just take a fucking walk in the park and watch the butterflies dance in the air.
But doctors wont tell you this, they profit by keeping you sick and addicted to their nasty poisonous pharmaceuticals, which in fact will make you worse not better.

The OP vid is pretty much spot on.

I've been there, and you get out of depression by action.

The buddhist approach has much virtue.

While western culture encourages whinny pussy behavior, which turns you into a malleable obedient chump who cannot think for him/herself.

It helps to turn off your television, as that is largely what controls your perceptions.

Good OP, by the Jesus!

**Latindancer** · 06-01-2017, 06:01 PM

The Tibetan Buddhist remedy for depression is having gratitude for what you already have. Once you start to do this, things don't look so bad. And exercise does help.

**Seekingasylum** · 06-01-2017, 08:42 PM

Clinical depression is an illness and must be treated through a combination of therapies involving gestalt techniques, psychoanalysis and drugs. Unfortunately, too many GPs are reinforcing imagined depressions by prescribing drugs as a first line of treatment for what are usually just pissed off, self indulgent and slightly neurotic women and poofs.

I think in coming to terms with one's existence it is important to grasp the unassailable fact that stupidity is a constituent part of the atmosphere although its effects can be filtered out by the acquisition of knowledge and the nous with which to use it - most however are incapable and thus the human condition is blighted.

Personally, I have never embraced the illusion of happiness and have always been suspicious of it. Frankly, depression is a normal reaction to life and one should just learn to accept it as a healthy sign one has a functioning brain - happy, jolly and buoyant folk are usually near imbeciles.

**Pragmatic** · 06-01-2017, 08:45 PM

Well man up Thegent, have you been there?

**Chico** · 06-01-2017, 09:00 PM

Depression is for Puffs.

**John Lennon** · 06-01-2017, 09:05 PM

There are too many MDs here. This illness kills with the greatest of ease - 20%+?
The sufferers know more than the rest.

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