Best way to die?

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Originally Posted by Maanaam

A natural purpose of humans in general, in which case I agree, there is none (unless one subscribes to a belief in a God, which I don't), and the purposes we decide on for ourselves.

You're saying living in the moment is unnatural? BC the only other purpose you can choose for yourself is not to live in the moment. Not saying that the purpose(s) you're living for are not real or good just that you didn't choose them directly ie there's nothing that's never been done before. That's why saying "been there, done that" is so stupid. You may have done that but every step of the way was done before but not by you before. Humble yourself, Maan, and all will be revealed in the here and now.

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Originally Posted by Sumbitch

You're saying living in the moment is unnatural?

Not at all. Where did you get that impression?

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Originally Posted by Looper

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Originally Posted by lob

u seem to see the top species as something different than other species,,,,, WE ARE ALL THE FUCKING SAME.

Not really. Homo Sapiens is a bit special what with our cognitive bits and bobs and bells and whistles.

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Originally Posted by lob

advance to wot, colonise another planet to fuck that up too. its all just academic b/s

Bit of a negative take on the oustanding accomplishments of your species. We are the most important thing in the universe as far as we know since we have begun to understand how the universe works and document it. It important that we do get to other planets if only minimise the risk of our own extinction but I don't see why we would need to 'fuck it up' as you say.

u honestly believe man can resist the inevitable. what outstanding accomplishments. our extinction is inevitable. there is no democracy. u gotta be on a wind up.

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Originally Posted by lob

u honestly believe man can resist the inevitable.

The inevitable what?

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Originally Posted by lob

what outstanding accomplishments.

Discoveries in science and mathematics. The application of those discoveries to benefit the species through engineering. The great moral strides the species has made over the recent decades and centuries w.r.t. equal rights for minorities and ending of dreadful practices such as torture and slavery.

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Originally Posted by lob

our extinction is inevitable.

Why do you think that? If we can colonize other planets and eventually star systems our extinction is not inevitable.

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Originally Posted by lob

there is no democracy.

What do you mean? Democracy is everywhere in the west and elsewhere too.

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Originally Posted by Looper

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Originally Posted by lob

there is no democracy.

What do you mean? Democracy is everywhere in the west and elsewhere too.

True. Only a pretense where a bi-party system is set up, both parties very similar in their operational modes, with a few minor parties thrown in to do balancing tricks with, creating the illusion of a majority ruled government of for and by the people.

In fact its run by big business for big business, controlled at the top by a clutch of wealthy families surrounded by their protective layers of masons, rotary. lions club boy scouts and religious institutions, all waving the establishment flag.

Meanwhile,the general populace is slaving away to support the great monolith, from which they glean a pittance in compensation, only to end up just paying their mortgages and medical bills before dying with the illusion that they've had a good life.

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Originally Posted by Neverna

I want a quick and easy way that guarantees death in an instant.

PM me your address :chitown:

Hmm.... getting someone to shoot you in the back of the head at an unknown date and time in say, the next week could be quick and relatively clean provided they knew what they were doing and didn't miss.

^ not bad but
A good dose of revenge first
Or in bed with fluffy pillows and your family round you
I don't know really

Helium. works a treat try it you don't beleive me

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Originally Posted by jimbobs

A good dose of revenge first

Nope, not bothered by that.

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Or in bed with fluffy pillows and your family round you

Hard to get your self assassinated by a professional killer whilst in bed with fluffy pillows surrounded by your family.
Methinks said assassin would charge quite a bit more.

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Originally Posted by Thai3

Helium. works a treat try it you don't beleive me

Helium will help us believe you? :confused:

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If you want to be absolutely certain, leave some air in the syringe and inject that as well.

Well, surely that suggests that you can kill yourself just by injecting air into your vein. Would that work?

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I would like to be taken out by an AGM114 Hellfire missile launched from an MQ1 Predator drone while sitting on the beach at sunset.

Or just as lethal would be to visit North Korea and fall asleep in a political meeting attended by KJI

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Originally Posted by jimbobs

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Originally Posted by Neverna

I want a quick and easy way that guarantees death in an instant.

PM me your address :chitown:

Don't forget to bring your mates. Jim. :wink:

:smileylaughing:

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Originally Posted by ENT

In fact its run by big business for big business, controlled at the top by a clutch of wealthy families surrounded by their protective layers of masons, rotary. lions club boy scouts and religious institutions

The notion that 'everything is controlled by shadowy evil big business figures' is just the standard myth about democracy in the west trotted out with tedious predictability by the average common-or-garden tin-foil conspiracy theorist.

The democratic process is real. It is transparent. This is pretty much as good as it gets for political systems. Business does have some influence but businesses are stake-holders in society so that is not unreasonable.

You might be able to fine tune bits and bobs here and there but the fundamentals of 21st century western democracy are just about as good as it gets for political systems.

If I could improve one thing I would have more direct democracy on issues rather than delegating voting powers to MPs since internet technology should allow more of this.

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Originally Posted by Looper

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Originally Posted by ENT

In fact its run by big business for big business, controlled at the top by a clutch of wealthy families surrounded by their protective layers of masons, rotary. lions club boy scouts and religious institutions

The notion that 'everything is controlled by shadowy evil big business figures' is just the standard myth about democracy in the west trotted out with tedious predictability by the average common-or-garden tin-foil conspiracy theorist.

It's not a myth, and the figures aren't that shadowy, but decidedly unsavoury.

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The democratic process is real. It is transparent. This is pretty much as good as it gets for political systems. Business does have some influence but businesses are stake-holders in society so that is not unreasonable.

The great unwashed are also stakeholders in society, but with no power to manipulate it as do business lobbies and the ruling elites in society.

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You might be able to fine tune bits and bobs here and there but the fundamentals of 21st century western democracy are just about as good as it gets for political systems.

That's pretty much what Churchill had to say about democracy, and that as a system of government it's pretty useless, but the best on the table so far, in his view.

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If I could improve one thing I would have more direct democracy on issues rather than delegating voting powers to MPs since internet technology should allow more of this.

Now you're talking. If we had a fairer form of proportional representation of all groups we might start on the road to referendum based consensus government, a step closer to the ideal of democracy.

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Originally Posted by Simon43

Well, surely that suggests that you can kill yourself just by injecting air into your vein. Would that work?

You'd need to inject quite a large amount of air at once, 100ml +, but no guarantee, depends on your weight, constitution etc.

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Originally Posted by Simon43

Well, surely that suggests that you can kill yourself just by injecting air into your vein. Would that work?

You'd need to inject quite a large amount of air at once, 100ml +, but no guarantee, depends on your weight, constitution etc.

Not the easiest but definitely a painful way to die.

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Originally Posted by Neverna

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Originally Posted by jimbobs

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Originally Posted by Neverna

I want a quick and easy way that guarantees death in an instant.

PM me your address :chitown:

Don't forget to bring your mates. Jim. :wink:

:smileylaughing:

I won't nev
It will be between just you and me :yerman:

On a motorcycle at 130mph
With 2oz of coke and 5 whores
Or in a gang fight with horrible bullies
Or all of the above
Oh and you make the local evening news would be nice
Ha ha sick fuckers
A slow lingering death where everyone wants you to die because you're secretly boring them

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Originally Posted by Looper

Well personally I am leaning towards something less bloody. Some kind of lethal drug cocktail. The boxcutter bloodfest is a bit theatrical for me. I am also not planning on live streaming the event as I don't think unwinding the mortal coil is really an activity that lends itself to exhibitionism.

Surely that depends on whether you are genuinely unable to carry on suffering and need an end or if you want to put on a little bit of theater in order to punish somebody else for the rest of their lives. There, in my opinion, you have two of the most common reasons for suicide with the added seasoning of mental illness being a catalyst, an enabler, or a reason by itself.

When I was a military paramedic I volunteered weekends in a&e wherever I was stationed. I saw a lot of suicides and attempted suicides. It became obvious fairly quickly that the more florid and the more bloody the attempt the more it was intended to punish others. suicide is easy, painless even (for those who get the reference), if it's also a bloodfest then that bloodfest is either a statement targeted at somebody in order to punish them or else a manifestation of madness.

Regarding the subject of thread, from what I've seen a narcotics overdose is the least painful way although I find the prospect of unconsciousness and not knowing I'm dying nightmarish. If there is an afterlife and if I died in a drug induced haze how would I ever know I was dead? This, for the same reason, is also why I dread dying in my sleep. How would I know I was dead?

The best way to die will be when I know my 2 girls and wife will not have to live and die like I have

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Originally Posted by ENT

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Originally Posted by Looper

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Originally Posted by lob

there is no democracy.

What do you mean? Democracy is everywhere in the west and elsewhere too.

True. Only a pretense where a bi-party system is set up, both parties very similar in their operational modes, with a few minor parties thrown in to do balancing tricks with, creating the illusion of a majority ruled government of for and by the people.

In fact its run by big business for big business, controlled at the top by a clutch of wealthy families surrounded by their protective layers of masons, rotary. lions club boy scouts and religious institutions, all waving the establishment flag.

Meanwhile,the general populace is slaving away to support the great monolith, from which they glean a pittance in compensation, only to end up just paying their mortgages and medical bills before dying with the illusion that they've had a good life.

i sincerly hope u understand that looper.

also u did bang on about equality earlier, prejudice etc, in the more recent posts u claim man is a far more superior species. a law for u and a law for them ? . we are all equal but man is more equal.??ffs unbelievable. and u actually get to vote. and theres the very epitamy as to why there is no such thing as democracy, the slaves are not capable of sorting the wheat from the chaff.
ref man s eventual end. u dont/cant envisage a star wars scenario.?

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Originally Posted by DrB0b

Regarding the subject of thread, from what I've seen a narcotics overdose is the least painful way although I find the prospect of unconsciousness and not knowing I'm dying nightmarish. If there is an afterlife and if I died in a drug induced haze how would I ever know I was dead? This, for the same reason, is also why I dread dying in my sleep. How would I know I was dead?

I have to say physician-assisted suicide sounds best to me bc I would like to have someone I can trust to talk to. From the Web...

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As of April 2016 , human euthanasia is legal in the Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland, Colombia and Luxembourg. Assisted suicide is legal in Switzerland, Germany, Japan, Albania, Canada, and in the US states of Washington, Oregon, Vermont, New Mexico, Montana and California (effective June 2016).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_euthanasia

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Currently in Oregon, secobarbital is the medication most commonly prescribed for physician-assisted suicide, followed by pentobarbital. The lethal dose prescribed is typically 9 g of secobarbital in capsules or 10 g of pentobarbital liquid, to be consumed at one time.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/742070_3

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Literature and websites most commonly cite Seconal (Secobarbital) and Nembutal (Pentobarbital) as the two most effective barbiturates for a swift, painless and swift death. The suicide holy grail. Seconal is a strong sedative that is used to treat severe, long-standing insomnia in people already taking barbiturates. Reportedly this drug is not even available on prescription in the UK anymore, although it may well be in other countries, including the USA.

Which drug: Lethal drugs for suicide | Lost All Hope: The web's leading suicide resource

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Secobarbital is in a group of drugs called barbiturates (bar-BIT-chur-ates). Secobarbital slows the activity of your brain and nervous system. Secobarbital is used short-term to treat insomnia, or as a sedative before surgery.

https://www.drugs.com/mtm/secobarbital.html

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Pentobarbital is in a group of drugs called barbiturates (bar-BIT-chur-ates). Pentobarbital slows the activity of your brain and nervous system. Pentobarbital is used short-term to treat insomnia. Pentobarbital is also used as an emergency treatment for seizures, and to cause you to fall asleep for surgery.

https://www.drugs.com/mtm/pentobarbital.html

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Originally Posted by lob

also u did bang on about equality earlier, prejudice etc, in the more recent posts u claim man is a far more superior species. a law for u and a law for them ? . we are all equal but man is more equal.??ffs unbelievable.

Equality is an artificial idealised notion that we arbitrarily apply to all members of the human species. It does not apply to animals even though we have (very recently <---- another improvement in moral outlook of humans) assigned them some rights such as the avoidance of unnecessary suffering.

But animals are most certainly not equal to humans.

Man is the paragon of animals.

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Originally Posted by lob

and theres the very epitamy as to why there is no such thing as democracy, the slaves are not capable of sorting the wheat from the chaff.

There are no slaves. Have you been asleep since the mid 19th century?

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Originally Posted by Looper

Equality is an artificial idealised notion that we arbitrarily apply to all members of the human species.

Equality is indeed an ideal, developed by many societies in the past and negated through hierachic political control.

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Man is the paragon of animals.

Man is the only truly neurotic animal, the only animal with developed organized warfare, the most environmentally and self-destructive species ever.

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There are no slaves. Have you been asleep since the mid 19th century?

Come off it mate.
Slavery's alive and flourishing, and has been for thousands of years.
There are approximately 21 million enslaved people in the world today.

A slave is not necessarily someone in chains controlled by whip masters, there are other more subtle but no less brutal forms of slavery, ranging from forced prostitution of migrants, underpaid labour under illegal gang masters and corrupt employers, to Burmese and Cambodian fishermen on Thai fishing boats

You can call it by a different name, but the forced labour of the disenfranchised anywhere is slavery, as is the recruitment of children to work in (predominantly) Asian factories and the kidnapped child soldiers, school girl 'bride' hostages by some African Islamist groups.