Thread: God?

Originally Posted by ENT

You keep insisting that I wax lyrical on your childish view and pet fear of (wooooo!) magic, myth and mystery

Its not a fear it is a disdain. You are making casual references to science and electricity to gain some credibility and then wandering of on a pseudo-mystical claim about telepathic transference energies of which there is not a shred of evidence.

Lets take one of your claims.

You say that people can telepathically detect when another human being is looking at them from behind.

You say that it is spooky the way that you can get a funny feeling sometimes and look round and somebody is looking at you. So what about the 99 other times that you don't get a spooky feeling and don't look round but actually somebody is looking at you, sometimes they will even be thinking about you or passing comment on you to another individual but somehow your magic chi energy is not working on those 99 other occasions. How do you explain that? Or if you want to deny it then where is the study showing statistically that people actually can tell when somebody is looking at them from behind? If that is true it surely must be a remarkable fact about the nature of human telepathic psychology. It surely must have piqued the interest of at least one scientific person who surely must have conducted a study. So where is this study?

We both know the answer: There is no study because what you are doing is trying to infer 'scientific' fact through intuition and hunches and spooky subjective feelings about consciousness and then saying it is a fact. It is not a fact.

Human intuition is flawed in many ways. Lets take one example.

We are born with an intuitive sense of how gravity works which is honed by our evolutionary experience. Things fall down, Things stick to the earth. But that is not a true picture of how gravity works. Scientific analysis reveals how flawed human instinctive intuition is. Newton gave us a better model of gravity in the 17th century and Einstein trumped it in the 20th century.

Human intuition is often flawed. One other way in which human intuition is flawed is in self-perception about the nature of consciousness.

You say that you intuitively feel that your consciousness is made up of 'spooky' magical chi energy powers and that they can magically reach out to other minds and commune through the ether telepathically but you are wrong. Your brain cannot do this. Your brain is an evolved cognitive organ. It does not possess special properties to telepathically discern the thoughts of others who may or may not be standing behind you and may or may not be looking at you. Your intuition tricks you because on the 1 time out of a hundred that it turns out to be correct you impute that this is a general spooky truth about consciousness but you are wrong. It is not.

Unless you want to demonstrate otherwise with a peer reviewed scientific paper proving the facticity of this spooky property of human consciousness?

Originally Posted by Looper

Originally Posted by ENT

You keep insisting that I wax lyrical on your childish view and pet fear of (wooooo!) magic, myth and mystery

Its not a fear it is a disdain. You are making casual references to science and electricity to gain some credibility and then wandering of on a pseudo-mystical claim about telepathic transference energies of which there is not a shred of evidence.

Lets take one of your claims.

You say that people can telepathically detect when another human being is looking at them from behind.

Liar.
I said no such thing. Telepathy wasn't mentioned.

You say that it is spooky the way that you can get a funny feeling sometimes and look round and somebody is looking at you.

Liar again.
I said no such thing. There's nothing spooky about it.

So what about the 99 other times that you don't get a spooky feeling and don't look round but actually somebody is looking at you, sometimes they will even be thinking about you or passing comment on you to another individual but somehow your magic chi energy is not working on those 99 other occasions. How do you explain that?

Somebody's probably looking at you in the way you say. There's no magic chi energy as you put it.

Or if you want to deny it then where is the study showing statistically that people actually can tell when somebody is looking at them from behind? If that is true it surely must be a remarkable fact about the nature of human telepathic psychology. It surely must have piqued the interest of at least one scientific person who surely must have conducted a study

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We both know the answer: There is no study because what you are doing is trying to infer 'scientific' fact through intuition and hunches and spooky subjective feelings about consciousness and then saying it is a fact. It is not a fact.

You're once more wrong, way off beam,you're living in the psychological dark ages, mate, read the articles I've referred to, above.

Human intuition is flawed in many ways.

True.

Lets take one example.
We are born with an intuitive sense of how gravity works which is honed by our evolutionary experience. Things fall down, Things stick to the earth. But that is not a true picture of how gravity works. Scientific analysis reveals how flawed human instinctive intuition is. Newton gave us a better model of gravity in the 17th century and Einstein trumped it in the 20th century.

What scientific analysis of instinctive human intuition are you on about? Ever read one on the topic?

And what was Newton's explanation for the apple falling on his head...and how did Einstein's theory expand on that and then casually disprove the existence of instinct and intuition?

You're talking pure speculative nonsense, they both did nothing of the sort.

Human intuition is often flawed. One other way in which human intuition is flawed is in self-perception about the nature of consciousness.

There you go again, involving your (as you claim) flawed subjective point of view and reasoning in trying to explain intuition and instinct as it relates to consciousness, which you so far have claimed to be no more than a function of brain, disregarding entirely all the other sensory organs we possess that input to the brain all the necessary information that builds up our awareness, and consciousness.

You say that you intuitively feel that your consciousness is made up of 'spooky' magical chi energy powers and that they can magically reach out to other minds and commune through the ether telepathically but you are wrong

Liar.
I said nothing of the sort! You've exaggerated and lied, putting words in my mouth that only you are aware of. You're not in touch with reality mate, otherwise you wouldn't misrepresent what others say as you've just done. Pathetic.

Your brain cannot do this. Your brain is an evolved cognitive organ. It does not possess special properties to telepathically discern the thoughts of others who may or may not be standing behind you and may or may not be looking at you

The brain is something you don't seem to know much about.
Organically it's housed in the cranium, but by neural extension it inhabits the whole body. Other sensory organs feed it information, as do a myriad chemical signals from your endocrine glands and systems.
Read the above articles re. telepathy that I've referenced, they may help you understand what you're talking about.

Your intuition tricks you because on the 1 time out of a hundred that it turns out to be correct you impute that this is a general spooky truth about consciousness but you are wrong. It is not.

Again read the above referenced articles re. intuition

Unless you want to demonstrate otherwise with a peer reviewed scientific paper proving the facticity of this spooky property of human consciousness?

References already given. Please read them.

(PS. I bet you've never stalked or hunted either, nor used your intuition in searching or even taking so called 'calculated risk', eh chappy. You ought to go out pig hunting one day, or even rabbiting with a .22, it'd be a real eye-opener for you, hell you may get to recognize what instincts and intuition really are all about! )

Do you go "rabbiting" a lot, ENT?

I used to.

Originally Posted by ENT

transfers of electrical energy

Meditation.
Placing your thumbs into your ears lightly; other fingers spread over your forehead.
You will hear a lil motor humming away between the ears.
Under the right conditions this lil motor can morph into a fully blown orchestra.
The only piece of music that mimics this is on Dark side of the Moon. Track 2.
An instrumental.
Whoever wrote that piece must have had something similar happen to them
that happened to me.
Try to imagine the best stereo inside your head playing this piece.
For me the experience lasted about 2 or 3 hours.
And it was amazing.
Of course the main in all this is Attention.
Energy yes; inside projecting outwardly; outwardly coming back.
Feeding off each other.
Anyway.

Beethoven was deaf.
Many reckon that he heard the music of heaven.

When I put my fingers in my ears as you suggest, Billy, all I get is a roaring noise as my blood rushes through my cranial circulatory system, I can even hear my pulses in the jugular veins and carotid arteries, (what a beat, man!), and the smaller capillaries pitch towards high tenor and descant.

Hmmm, nothing mystical about that though.

Originally Posted by ENT

Liar.
I said nothing of the sort! You've exaggerated and lied, putting words in my mouth that only you are aware of. You're not in touch with reality mate, otherwise you wouldn't misrepresent what others say as you've just done. Pathetic.

So have you or have you not claimed that human beings can tell whether or not another human being standing behind them is looking at them?

If this were true it would be an amazing discovery that would stun the scientific and medical community and be the subject of detailed neurological research and front page covers on the lancet and yet there is not a single article covering this shocking and amazing feature of the human psyche.

We either can or cannot tell if someone is looking at us from behind so which is it and if it is the former then where is the evidence?

Or is it a secret feature which only you and a select few are party to (and only when the solar wind is blowing in the right direction and the astrological auras are correctly aligned) but you have deigned to share your secret knowledge with the TD denizens out of generosity of spirit?

Has anyone mentioned Hitler yet?

Originally Posted by Looper

We either can or cannot tell if someone is looking at us from behind so which is it...

Apparently, you've never made the experience/observation, does this mean nobody else has neither?

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Originally Posted by ENT

Liar.
I said nothing of the sort! You've exaggerated and lied, putting words in my mouth that only you are aware of. You're not in touch with reality mate, otherwise you wouldn't misrepresent what others say as you've just done. Pathetic.

So have you or have you not claimed that human beings can tell whether or not another human being standing behind them is looking at them?

Yes.

If this were true it would be an amazing discovery that would stun the scientific and medical community and be the subject of detailed neurological research and front page covers on the lancet and yet there is not a single article covering this shocking and amazing feature of the human psyche.

It'd stun your mind for sure, that wouldn't take much.
Others, less blinkered than you are more aware of the phenomenon and current research on mind to mind contact.

Detailed neurological research is already underway in the field.
Why and how you're able to avoid seeing any mention of research (past and present) on the topic is anyone's guess. Selective cognizance maybe? Just don't want to know?

We either can or cannot tell if someone is looking at us from behind so which is it and if it is the former then where is the evidence?

What you're asking about is termed "intuition".
Intuition is an innate human ability, in fact most animals rely on it.

Interesting articles on "gut feeling" (intuition) here'

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...1223083811.htm

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...1108131724.htm

How precisely intuition meshes in with logical thought and empathy(another human ability) to give rise to hunches, as in being aware of being observed by another (what you erroneously term telepathy, a different process) is being further investigated.
Current research (referenced above) shows that gut feeling, or intuition, is likely a more valid evaluatory ability for decision making and survival than logical thought.

More evidence is in published papers accessible on the net.

Or is it a secret feature which only you and a select few are party to (and only when the solar wind is blowing in the right direction and the astrological auras are correctly aligned) but you have deigned to share your secret knowledge with the TD denizens out of generosity of spirit?

Your sarcasm cuts nothing loopy, just misses your intended point.

Is that last sentence Awstrayliyn? Would you care to rephrase it and make some sense?
Bear in mind;
Deigned, = to reluctantly undertake something, to condescend.

I've already given a link to research on mind to mind communication, you obviously haven't even bothered to read the article,

Scientists Prove That Telepathic Communication Is Within Reach
Read more: History, Travel, Arts, Science, People, Places | Smithsonian

some great posts on here ref human/animal perceptions. good on you posters. bit like ive never experienced it, it doesn't exist. for those that experience it, it does. i experience such feeling all the time. i call it astute. being aware of my surroundings. for me perfectly normal. nerdy types seem to miss out on it.

Originally Posted by lob

some great posts on here ref human/animal perceptions. good on you posters. bit like ive never experienced it, it doesn't exist. for those that experience it, it does. i experience such feeling all the time. i call it astute. being aware of my surroundings. for me perfectly normal. nerdy types seem to miss out on it.

Yup. Some folks are simply not aware of much more than what turns them on, any experience or ideas outside the normaloid square is just too "spooky" for them, leaves them insecure.

The 'sixth sense', intuition and hunches are also part and parcel of the creative instinct,....artists, actors, musicians all rely on their intuitive hunches to lead them through to more creative self-expression, as do investigators and even auditors in their search for missing information, and researchers would be lost without following through on their intuition.

Originally Posted by ENT

What you're asking about is termed "intuition".
Intuition is an innate human ability, in fact most animals rely on it.

What you are terming intuition is nothing more than the brain making decisions based on normal sensory input and making you do things subconsciously.

Glancing round to catch someone looking at you is based on peripheral awareness of other people or simply awareness that there are people around or that there is a possibility that there are people around. If you are in a certain mood then you might feel more suspicious than usual and glance round occasionally and ... hey presto occasionally somebody is looking at you.

That is simply the law of averages at work and you then read magical powers into it which is one of the roots of human mysticism.

You think your intuition is based on magical chi powers but it is not. It is based on combining normal sensory input to drive instinctive behaviour. The subconscious suspicion that there is a possibility that someone is watching you gives you a tingly feeling of suspicion. On the occasions on which it turns out to be true you are then subject to positive feedback confirmation of your delusion about magical moon-beam chi powers.

You think about the tingly feeling you had which caused you to look and you wrongly attribute that to magical auras of kirlian energy; but that is not what caused you to look, it was just the combination of normal sensory input (tiny sounds or movements of which you are barely even consciously aware) and your brain's subconscious calculations about the possibility of being watched and your mood at the time.

Nobody is denying that the tingly feeling you associate with your magical 'intuition' exists. Nobody is denying that people occasionally get a tingly feeling and look round to find somebody watching them. Where you are going wrong is inferring a magical power that is driving this effect. There is no magical power; it all comes down to the combined use of your regular 5 senses and your mood at the time (i.e. suspicious, nervy, alert, drowsy, relaxed).

If it were really possible to know whether someone was looking at you from behind using magical telepathy brain beams then it would be a measurable phenomenon but it is not.

Yes it feels funny but it does not require a supernatural explanation. If it does not require one then if you want to give it one you need to provide evidence but you cannot.

Originally Posted by ENT

Processing detailed information through sensory input is the opposite of intuition which processes patterns of information on deeper subconscious levels.

I say that intuition is a process whereby the brain comes to a conclusion about something with out conscious reflection. i.e. we just feel that something is the case. I say that that is an entirely normal internal process that occurs within your brain at a subconscious level.

When your brain makes an intuitive assertion about something it is doing so subconsciously using sensory input through the normal 5 senses and also access to past experiences and also situational awareness about your surroundings recorded in the recent past and is also influenced by your mood which could be edgy or calm etc.

This is an entirely natural mental ability and uses cognitive functionality of the brain that is known and understood by science.

Do you agree that your brain operates using only the sets of information I have described above or do the assert that the brain has access to a magical sixth sense involving chi energy fields and magical auras of kirlian force fields?

If you don't like my description of what you seem to be suggesting then put it in your own words but the key question is do you agree (with science) that the brain only has access to memories and sensory input through the normal 5 senses or do you believe that the brain has access to information from another pathway or pathways?

If it is the latter then can you give an approximate description of this other pathway or pathways and any evidence as to their existence?

Specifically what information do you think your brain is gathering when you magically become aware of someone looking at you from behind?

Originally Posted by Looper

Originally Posted by ENT

Processing detailed information through sensory input is the opposite of intuition which processes patterns of information on deeper subconscious levels.

I say that intuition is a process whereby the brain comes to a conclusion about something with out conscious reflection. i.e. we just feel that something is the case. I say that that is an entirely normal internal process that occurs within your brain at a subconscious level.

As I've said.

When your brain makes an intuitive assertion about something it is doing so subconsciously using sensory input through the normal 5 senses and also access to past experiences and also situational awareness about your surroundings recorded in the recent past and is also influenced by your mood which could be edgy or calm etc.

Not so. Your moods have little to do with intuition.

This is an entirely natural mental ability and uses cognitive functionality of the brain that is known and understood by science.

Not so. Intuition's only partly understood by science, as my previous posts' references have indicated.

Do you agree that your brain operates using only the sets of information I have described above or do the assert that the brain has access to a magical sixth sense involving chi energy fields and magical auras of kirlian force fields?

Your brain uses more than the five senses you've mentioned, it utilizes information from other organs in the body, and the commonly known five senses function on more levels than we're currently used to referring to.

The sense of touch, for instance is only one end of a spectrum of tactile sensation, including the sensation of sound by skin or bone, and the multiple wavelengths of light we're not visually aware of, or the ear's reactions to air pressure waves that aren't of the right wavelength to be heard normally.

Why do you insist on mentioning magic, are you cuckoo, or just still in the dark ages?
High voltage gas chromatography photography or Kirilian photography shows electrical energy fields surrounding plants, animals and inanimate matter, no surprise, and chi energy is of the same energy as is all your static electrical energy field, your magnetic energy field and the electrical discharges between the neurons in your brain.

If you don't like my description of what you seem to be suggesting then put it in your own words but the key question is do you agree (with science) that the brain only has access to memories and sensory input through the normal 5 senses or do you believe that the brain has access to information from another pathway or pathways? If it is the latter then can you give an approximate description of this other pathway or pathways and any evidence as to their existence?

Loaded question, as science certainly does not claim that. The brain has access to far more info than just memory (in any form) and info from 5 senses only, the sixth sense, intuition is something else you want to ignore as a sense, and as I've said above, other organs deliver more info to the brain as well.

Hormonal messaging between glands and organs of the body feed the brain along with non-visual (by our eyes) light, non-sonic air waves, and consciously imperceptible tactile sensations, as do our senses of smell and taste, most of which is subliminally sensational.

Specifically what information do you think your brain is gathering when you magically become aware of someone looking at you from behind?

As I've said before, there's no magic, only electrical movement around chemical reactions in space.

Originally Posted by ENT

Hmmm, nothing mystical about that though.

No, i was in charge most of the time.

Originally Posted by ENT

The sense of touch, for instance is only one end of a spectrum of tactile sensation, including the sensation of sound by skin or bone, and the multiple wavelengths of light we're not visually aware of, or the ear's reactions to air pressure waves that aren't of the right wavelength to be heard normally.

Originally Posted by ENT

High voltage gas chromatography photography or Kirilian photography shows electrical energy fields surrounding plants, animals and inanimate matter, no surprise, and chi energy is of the same energy

So are you saying that when you know that somebody behind you is looking at you it is because your regular 5 senses pick up this information but at ends of the sensory spectrum that are outside conscious awareness or are you saying that it is because your brain can pick up this information using methods not connected with the regular 5 senses such as Kirlian electrical energy fields or magical chi energy?

Whereabouts on your anatomy are the receptors for this new secret Kirlian aura sixth sense because sometimes I think my ring-piece twitches a little bit when I get that tingly feeling that somebody somewhere might be looking at me or thinking about me or walking over my grave.

For those interested, this lecture will make you think, not too hard on the brain cells.

Originally Posted by Looper

Originally Posted by ENT

The sense of touch, for instance is only one end of a spectrum of tactile sensation, including the sensation of sound by skin or bone, and the multiple wavelengths of light we're not visually aware of, or the ear's reactions to air pressure waves that aren't of the right wavelength to be heard normally.

Originally Posted by ENT

High voltage gas chromatography photography or Kirilian photography shows electrical energy fields surrounding plants, animals and inanimate matter, no surprise, and chi energy is of the same energy

So are you saying that when you know that somebody behind you is looking at you it is because your regular 5 senses pick up this information but at ends of the sensory spectrum that are outside conscious awareness or are you saying that it is because your brain can pick up this information using methods not connected with the regular 5 senses such as Kirlian electrical energy fields or magical chi energy?

Yes. No magic involved, it's all perfectly natural.

Whereabouts on your anatomy are the receptors for this new secret Kirlian aura sixth sense because sometimes I think my ring-piece twitches a little bit when I get that tingly feeling that somebody somewhere might be looking at me or thinking about me or walking over my grave.

All your nerve endings are potential receptors for electromagnetic energy, as is most of your skin surface.




Synapse and Neuron cells sending electrical chemical signals


There's nothing new or secret about the info, you just need to read up more on the function of the nervous system and stop watching all that schmaltz entertainment you get on tv, videos etc, its all pure imagination designed to suck in chaps like you.

As for your eternal struggle with your sexual arousal problems, I'd seek medical advice and book in to a session of counseling with a competent psychiatrist used to dealing with sex addiction cases.

He/she may come to the conclusion however that you do in fact have a contagious sexually transmitted problem if you mention that tingly feeling you have in your genitals.

Originally Posted by ENT

all I get is a roaring noise as my blood rushes through my cranial circulatory system, I can even hear my pulses in the jugular veins and carotid arteries,

All that stuff that courses through the arteries and veins.
Do you think it has a transmittable quality.
A lot of history pumping around in there.

Originally Posted by billy the kid

All that stuff that courses through the arteries and veins.
Do you think it has a transmittable quality.

Just remember to keep your receptor squeaky clean to pick up those faint signals.

I recommend a good polishing with Aloe Vera baby wipes but don't flush them as they clog up the sewerage system.