Thread: God?

Originally Posted by Nicethaiza

I am buddhist...so I believe in buddha not jesus

yes but jesus and budha never claimed to be god.... do you believe in god.

I dont know who is god and how is god...

Originally Posted by Nicethaiza

If buddha is god so yeah I believe in ... but he doesnt exist...
I rememer when I was young I went to church christian in kk they teach me the badness can washed by some water they have had อ่างล้างบาป I dont know what it call in english ^^so that I dont believe... in budhist they teach me do good recieve good do bad recieve bad...and do badness cant wash...

so how come every bad bastard goes to the monkhood to get away from blame. the place is awash withem.

Originally Posted by crepitas

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

The opium of the people..who said that?

fink it was one of the Marx bruvvers..

Who do bad receive bad hah...if I know who is god maybe I can answer I believe or not lol

What about the afterlife? Where do we go when we die?

^That depends. Options would include up a chimney, down a hole, or into a barrel of acid. I suppose heaven might be an option if you believed in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny though.

Originally Posted by Cujo

Do you believe in god?

^^^ Depends on what you define as 'we' or the 'self'.

The body turns to compost and the energy in it does some sort of a dance before apparently ceasing to exist in the flesh.

Since neither matter nor energy can be neither created nor destroyed, it stands to reason that the energy that was once motivating a living being, transforms to manifest elsewhere and in another form, it doesn't simply cease to exist or disappear.

I think, the story about crucifying Jesus is extremely escapist and childish. Imagine doing all those bad and forbidden things, then having someone else pay for your sins. There's no accountability for one's actions.....

I believe in human psychological needs.


That, and a mighty big universe.

The JC crucifixion story has been twisted around to the max.

First, the ritual execution was carried out at the Essene community of Qumran near the Dead Sea, not at Jerusalem. Qumran was a town built in microcosm (the new Jerusalem) by the Essenes (banned from old Jerusalem) patterned after Jerusalem proper, around 1/20th the size of the original city. Reportedly, the sign nailed to his cross could be seen from the temple wall there, an impossibility if the crucifixion was at old Jerusalem.

JC was nailed up (possibly) through the wrists and ankles, the only places that a big nail could could hold him up, then most likely tied onto the cross or stake.

Before sunset, a spear was stuck into his side as a test for death, and blood and water flowed from the wound. A dead corpse doesn't bleed, so the man was alive at the end of the crucifixion ritual.

He was crucified (reportedly) in the morning and brought down before sunset that day (6pm aprox) so's not to desecrate the Sabbath, and laid out in Joseph of Aramathea's 'tomb', which was one of the caves of Qumran, laid out for three days, a Jewish custom that ensured he was indeed dead (sunset to midnight Friday = 1 day, then through to Saturday evening, = 1 day, then to Sunday, possibly Saturday evening) when Shabbat was over.

Joseph of Aramathea was Jesus' god-father, a wealthy man, who acted as Jesus' lawyer at his trial.

After being laid out in the cave with "70 lbs of myrh and aloes" his rescuers, and healers (theraputae who wore boiled, sterilized white linen clothes, ) fed him the aloe vera and myrh to counteract the poison he'd drunk on the cross, offered up to him in a sponge dipped in gall (juice of the Red Sea puffer fish, used to simulate death, can kill) mixed with wine on the end of a hyssop stick. The theraputae also applied the aloe vera to his wounds thentook him from there to another place to recuperate.

About a month later he scarpered in a mist never to return to Judea, apparently, but absconding to Turkey where his divorce from Mary Magdalene was finalized by St Paul, whereupon he married Lydia the 'seller of purple', a priestess of Thesalonica.

The bit of being "washed in the blood of the lamb" and Jesus dying for our collective sins was part and parcel of the sacrificial ritual used to release all from karmic debt, something Jesus didn't want to go through with, praying in the Garden of Gethsemane , "Lord may this cup be taken from me if possible."

That ritual human sacrifice was intended to be performed the once, ending all need for further human sacrifice to atone for human errors once and for all.

It's a shame and a horror that the churches since have continued to point the finger, play guilt games at ritual confessions and made monstrous capital gain from that sacrifice, threatening all dissenters with hell and damnation, and simultaneosly ignoring their creed which states explicitly that Jesus' mission on earth was to forgive and redeem all sin and to preach the kingdom of heaven, an earthly utopia, a perfect state of being on earth.

Dr Barbara Thiering's book "Jesus, the Man" makes very interesting reading on the topic.

Originally Posted by Cujo

What about the afterlife? Where do we go when we die?

What afterlife, space/time is just that, there is no beginning or end, all the probabilities exist.

Like a map, if you know the latitude longitude, you can find a place, that place doesn't cease to exist because you aren't there.

You turn right at a road, met a girl, have kids, turn left and get hit by a truck and die, both happen, we are only aware of one time line.

Not an idea, quanta mechanics have shown that observation can change what happened a billion years ago.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Originally Posted by Cujo

What about the afterlife? Where do we go when we die?

What afterlife, space/time is just that, there is no beginning or end, all the probabilities exist.

Like a map, if you know the latitude longitude, you can find a place, that place doesn't cease to exist because you aren't there.

You turn right at a road, met a girl, have kids, turn left and get hit by a truck and die, both happen, we are only aware of one time line.

Not an idea, quanta mechanics have shown that observation can change what happened a billion years ago.

That's one theory.

Originally Posted by Cujo

What about the afterlife?

A tiny percentage do not fear death.
Thinking you do not fear death can be a comfort but in reality when
the grim reaper arrives on your door-step folk shit themselves.

So after-life is a great business with no come-backs.

I guess we're the only animal that wants to come back or look forward to a Heaven.
Fear, don't you love it.

Die each day.

Folk around the world live in various bubbles, cause thought demands it.

Look no further than yourself to see this.

And when you do, then this life is more important than the other which folk seem to think/believe is permanent.

And then there is the fool and the madness.

Faith= believing in A controller. Ouch. what have i done.

Shouldn't it be GODDESS?

Originally Posted by Cujo

That's one theory.

Then explain how you responded to me on the net, or use a mobile phone.
If you don't believe in the science, how can anything be true/real.

Originally Posted by lob

Originally Posted by Nicethaiza

I am buddhist...so I believe in buddha not jesus

yes but jesus and budha never claimed to be god.... do you believe in god.

Actually, Jesus at least implied the fact in,

John 10:34
Jesus replied, “Is it not written in your Law: ‘I have said you are gods’ ?

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Originally Posted by Cujo

That's one theory.

Then explain how you responded to me on the net, or use a mobile phone.
If you don't believe in the science, how can anything be true/real.

The problem is there's no way to prove what you say. It's only a theory.
it may well be that all probabilities exist but the only one that can possibly be proved is this one right here right now.
The rest is all just theory.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Originally Posted by Cujo

That's one theory.

Then explain how you responded to me on the net, or use a mobile phone.

1) Wifi.

2) fingers.

Originally Posted by ENT

Since neither matter nor energy can be neither created nor destroyed, it stands to reason that the energy that was once motivating a living being, transforms to manifest elsewhere and in another form, it doesn't simply cease to exist or disappear.

The energy that was keeping a human body alive was food, and also the protein, fat and carbohydrates stored in that body. Once the body dies, no more food is digested and the energy in the body - the protein, fat and carbohydrates that make up the body - will be transformed into heat (if the body is cremated) or animal food/insect food etc if buried or not buried. In the latter case, the energy is or will be used by those animals and insects etc.

Originally Posted by ENT

The body turns to compost and the energy in it does some sort of a dance before apparently ceasing to exist in the flesh.

I'd love to see the video.

The energy that was that living animal/human will dissipate sure enough, but not just decompose and give off heat and so on, but there's a lot of electrical activity that goes on in a body/brain sometimes for weeks after so called clinical death.

Commonly, this electrical pulsing and surging starts within a few minutes of death, lasting for maybe a minute or so before suddenly ceasing.

Originally Posted by Cujo

Do you believe in god?
Did jesus really 'die for' your sins? And if so does that mean you're cool, your sins are already accounted for.
I'm with Christopher Hitchens. It all sounds too far fetched, but the fact that physically and in reality we are infinitesimally small beings on what is relatively a speck of dust in a vast vast universe is pretty hard to accept as well. Particularly considering personaly how important we think we are, which might be the key.

I believe in neo-colonialism:


...and Isness, the sublime ineffable probablistic deterinistic essence of the fabric of reality, or some shit.

Oh, and Brexit!

If people are on about energy hanging around after death, shouldn't they be focusing on the energy of the brain. Or really the mind and its consciousness.

It's too early and I'd need drugs.

Originally Posted by Luigi

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Originally Posted by Cujo

That's one theory.

Then explain how you responded to me on the net, or use a mobile phone.

1) Wifi.

2) fingers.

There's always a smart arse, isn't there.

Interesting info here, conscious awareness after death.