Thread: What is the burial/cremation procedure for the King?

Originally Posted by CR7CristianoRonaldo

a transit van.

Yes, it was a bit surprising and out of place.

Originally Posted by CR7CristianoRonaldo

a transit van

It was a Mercedes.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

I oughta red you for that.

I humbly bow down and will accept whatever punishment you deem fit....

Originally Posted by CSFFan

Originally Posted by kingwilly

I oughta red you for that.

I humbly bow down and will accept whatever punishment you deem fit....

Shoulda asked Willy initially...

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by CR7CristianoRonaldo

a transit van

It was a Mercedes.

Yes I noticed the Merc badge.

It was grey in colour, with blue stripes.

As you mention, Bob........ 'A full Thai Royal funeral showcases traditional Siam in all its glory'

Which is what i'd agree with you on. So grey with blue stripes didn't seem to fit with that.

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Shoulda asked Willy initially...

No, I should have asked Bob....

You certainly know your stuff Bob, thanks.

Originally Posted by CR7CristianoRonaldo

Has it been explained why the King's remains were taken from Siriraj to Wat Pra Kaeo in a van. Felt a bit too austere.

I noticed mourners were looking down the road as the van passed them, almost as if they were looking for the hearse

I was thinking the same

Thai king's body arrives at Grand Palace for people to pay respects - BT

Thailand's King Bhumibol Adulyadej returns to Grand Palace in Buddhist funeral rite | Daily Mail Online

O.K. wifey just made it clear to me.



http://www.baabin.com/188921/

Here's a good article on funeral rites,I always wondered why about the 100 days.

Antarabhava



Funeral Rites:
As practiced in Thailand and other South East Asian Countries.

Funeral rites are the most elaborate of all the life-cycle ceremonies and the ones entered into most fully by the monks. It is a basic teaching of Buddhism that existence is suffering, whether birth, daily living, old age or dying. This teaching is never in a stronger position than when death enters a home. Indeed Buddhism may have won its way the more easily in Thailand because it had more to say about death and the hereafter than had animism.

The people rely upon monks to chant the sutras that will benefit the deceased, and to conduct all funeral rites and memorial services. To conduct the rites for the dead may be considered the one indispensable service rendered the community by the monks. For this reason the crematory in each large temple has no rival in secular society.

The idea that death is suffering, relieved only by the knowledge that it is universal, gives an underlying mood of resignation to funerals: among a choice few, there is the hope of Nibbana with the extinction of personal striving; among the vast majority there is the expectation of rebirth either in this world, in the heaven of Indra or some other, or in another plane of existence, possibly as a spirit. Over the basic mood of gloom there has grown up a feeling that meritorious acts can aid the condition of the departed. Not all the teaching of Anatta (not self) can quite eradicate anxiety lest the deceased exist as pretas or as beings suffering torment. For this reason relatives do what they can to ameliorate their condition.

According to tradition, when a person is dying an effort should be made to fix his mind upon the Buddhist scriptures or to get him to repeat one of the names of Buddha, such as Phra Arahant. The name may be whispered in his ear if the person is far gone. Sometimes four syllables which are considered the heart of the Abhidharma, ci, ce, ru, and ni, representing "heart, mental concepts, form and Nibbana" are written on a piece of paper and put in the mouth of the dying man. It is hoped that if the last thoughts of the patient are directed to Buddha and the precepts, that the fruit of this meritorious act will bring good to the deceased in his new existence. In a village, at the moment of death, the relatives may set up a wailing both to express sorrow and to notify the neighbors who will then come to be of help.

After death a bathing ceremony takes place in which relatives and friends pour water over one hand of the deceased. The body is then placed in a coffin and surrounded with wreaths, candles and sticks of incense. If possible a photograph of the deceased is placed alongside, and colored lights are suspended about the coffin. Sometimes the cremation is deferred for a week to allow distant relatives to attend or to show special honor to the dead. In this case a chapter of monks comes to the house one or more times each day to chant from the Abhidharma, sometimes holding the bhusa yong, a broad ribbon, attached to the coffin. Food is offered to the officiating monks as part of the merit-making for the deceased.

The food offered in the name of the dead is known as Matakabhatta from mataka ("one who is dead"). The formula of presentation is:

Reverend Sirs, we humbly beg to present this mataka food and these various gifts to the Sangha. May the Sangha receive this food and these gifts of ours in order that benefits and happiness may come to us to the end of time.

At an ordinary funeral in northern Thailand the cremation takes place within three days. The neighbors gather nightly to feast, visit, attend the services and play games with cards and huge dominos. The final night is the one following the cremation. On the day of the funeral an orchestra is employed and every effort is made to banish sorrow, loneliness and the fear of spirits by means of music and fellowship. Before the funeral procession begins the monks chant a service at the home and then precede the coffin down the steps of the house stairs, which are sometimes carpeted with banana leaves. It is felt that the body should not leave the house by the usual route, but instead of removing the coffin through a hole in the wall or floor, which is sometimes done, the front stairs are covered with green leaves to make that route unusual.

A man carrying a white banner on a long pole often leads the procession to the crematorium grounds. He is followed by some elderly men carrying flowers in silver bowls and then by a group of eight to ten monks walking ahead of the coffin and holding a broad ribbon (bhusa yong) which extends to the deceased. Often one of the monks repeats portions of the Abhidharma en route. The coffin may be carried by pall bearers or conveyed in a funeral car drawn by a large number of friends and relatives who feel that they are performing their last service for the deceased and engaged in a meritorious act while doing so. If the procession is accompanied by music the players may ride in ox carts or in a motor truck at the rear. During the service at the cemetery the monks sit facing the coffin on which rest the Pangsukula robes. After the chanting the coffin is placed on a pyre made of brick; the people then come up with lighted torches of candles, incense and fragrant wood and toss them beneath the coffin so that the actual cremation takes place at once. Later the ashes may be collected and kept in an urn.

Frequently the bodies of prominent or wealthy persons are kept for a year or more in a special building at a temple. Cremations are deferred this long to show love and respect for the deceased and to perform religious rites which will benefit the departed. In such cases a series of memorial services are held on the seventh, fiftieth, and hundredth days after the death. In one instance a wealthy merchant did not cremate the body of his daughter until he had spent all her inheritance in merit – making services for her. Another merchant spent the ten thousand baht insurance money received on the death of his small son entirely for religious ceremonies.

As long as the body is present the spirit can benefit by the gifts presented, the sermons preached and the chants uttered before it. This thought lies back of the use of the bhusa yhong ribbon which extends from the body within the coffin to the chanting monks before it. The dead may thus have contact with the holy sutras. When the body is cremated the spirit is more definitely cut off from the world, it is best therefore not to force that spirit to enter the preta world finally and irrevocably until it has had the benefit of a number of religious services designed to improve its status.

At cremations it is quite common for wealthy people to have printed for distribution books and pamphlets setting forth Buddhist teachings in the form of essays, translation of the sutras, historical sketches and explanations of ceremonies. Such books, numbering in the thousands, are not only a tribute to the dead and a means of making merit but they have practical value as well.







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Thanks Herman!

So, the explanation is that the grey Merc van was the King's favourite car. It even had a special nickname 'James Bond'. That's why it was used for the transportation of his remains.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

That's just silly.

The real answer is simply, of course, that the van is an ambulance/hearse with the body in a casket in back and monks chanting beside it. There's no mystery here. You seem to be making the fundamental mistake that because something is done a particular way back home it must be the same everywhere. Black hearses are not a thing here and there is no disrespect in transporting the body to the palace in the way they did.

In your original 10:15 post you said that it was obvious that the body was in the yellow van with the standard on it. Pretty much every other observer is of the opinion that it was the crown prince who was in the yellow van.

Now you've edited your post to suggest that it was indeed the grey merc that contained the king.

What you deem obvious seems to have radically changed over the course of thirty minutes.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Originally Posted by DrB0b

That's just silly.

The real answer is simply, of course, that the van is an ambulance/hearse with the body in a casket in back and monks chanting beside it. There's no mystery here. You seem to be making the fundamental mistake that because something is done a particular way back home it must be the same everywhere. Black hearses are not a thing here and there is no disrespect in transporting the body to the palace in the way they did.

In your original 10:15 post you said that it was obvious that the body was in the yellow van with the standard on it. Pretty much every other observer is of the opinion that it was the crown prince who was in the yellow van.

Now you've edited your post to suggest that it was indeed the grey merc that contained the king.

What you deem obvious seems to have radically changed over the course of thirty minutes.

Because I went back to check what I said against the press releases from the Royal Household and corrected myself. Do you have an issue with fact checking?